i missed the lack trade, any word on what the return was?
- sensnucksnocups

I rarely post on here, but you are the most irritating sad little poster around. Seriously, get a life. I'm ebarrassed for you.

Markstrom can't do it, sorry. Having his knee surgeries destroyed any potential he had. Plays way too deep in net. Sucks because he was someone really special.
- Panthers88

Then He'll become a 3rd and a 7th when Demko is ready.

You only put up with me because you agree I'm assuming. I've always been rational.... even in my unpopular opinions.

I don't engage in this topic anymore but...

I never ever thought or claimed Hodgson would be more than a 2nd liner for us. Your instance that I thought he'd be a superstar is one of the things that I cant stand. I was way off on his leadership though... I have no problem admitting that he can't play so lazy and be a leader of any kind... None of Gillis' personal accusations about him hold any weight with me... that's where I never backed off... MG is a scumbag liar and people know it. Thats why I have a hard time understanding why people still take his word 100% on this topic. I've moved on long ago on this topic. I'm supporting Kassian as much as he will let me.

Anyways, there may be a day when I'm hard on JB. It's way too early to yell and scream about all these contradicting things people want the GM to do. I'm not going to run him out of town for not waiving all the old players on the team because they cant be traded in June. I don't even think Vantel cares about the future as much as he is just board with the roster. Too many contradictions in what he wants.
- boonerbuck

JB is in his infancy as a GM. Anyone who is all over him now is way off base.

He'll never be a #1 NHL goaltender. He isn't bad in the AHL; but when the big lights go on it's his kryptonite.
- Panthers88

I've worried about that but he'll have a season to conquer his confidence with little to no pressure. I think he can be pretty solid if he gets over the confidence hump. He's a top GT in pro already... now he gets an entire season on the Canucks roster. The acquisition was a gamble to begin with.

Kissazz
- bloatedmosquito

Oh, suck a Richard bloated, you banana eater....I still love you despite the borderline bipolarism today....

I've worried about that but he'll have a season to conquer his confidence with little to no pressure. I think he can be pretty solid if he gets over the confidence hump. He's a top GT in pro already... now he gets an entire season on the Canucks roster. The acquisition was a gamble to begin with.
- boonerbuck

I can live with it because we're anchored to Miller for two more years anyways. If JM is NHL material then by the time Miller is gone we have a starter and hopefully some more youth coming up to strengthen the team. If not then Demko may be getting close or we can go find a stopgap. It's doubtful that we'll need Vezina calibre goaltending for a Cup run in the next few years

JB is in his infancy as a GM. Anyone who is all over him now is way off base.
- thundachunk

Not all over him, as time goes on he will learn the ropes, he has done an okay job. Too early to judge.

Then He'll become a 3rd and a 7th when Demko is ready.



- boonerbuck

The strangest thing JB said on not getting full value for Lack was. “A lot of GM’s in the east aren’t familiar with players in the west” WTF? Is that not why you have statistics and scouts? I find that to be an extremely lame excuse.
- VanHockeyGuy

I think that's likely in response to the fact that Talbot was perceived to have more value than Lack. Lame excuse or not, there is an Eastern Conference bias. They do not see as many of our games as we see of theirs.

Pull the player off the table until there's a market, it's only June. Same goes for Bieksa if he only waives for 2 teams, what kind of return would you expect?
- VanHockeyGuy

This should help get better return for Bieksa, but not Lack. The goalie market sucks and people across the league don't overvalue Lack the way Canucks fans do.

Lack & Luongo should be sponsored by Twitter for how much it's done to raise their popularity and perceived value in this city.

I can live with it because we're anchored to Miller for two more years anyways. If JM is NHL material then by the time Miller is gone we have a starter and hopefully some more youth coming up to strengthen the team. If not then Demko may be getting close or we can go find a stopgap. It's doubtful that we'll need Vezina calibre goaltending for a Cup run in the next few years
- bezz44

Exactly!

As bad as the Miller money sounds... it gave us the ability to move the average Lack to give someone with a higher ceiling a chance to work his way up. Losing JM would create a much further gap in net as well. We could have signed a cheaper player than Miller... but when you wind the clock back with all the uncertainties in goal and the owners wishes to make the playoffs...they go with the best available... and I'm sure JB and linden thought the return would be higher with Lack... but it's easier to miss than hit with these decisions sometimes.

We still got new assets out of it... and Miller may be worth a pick at some point as well. In a imdirect nd somewhat stressful way, it plays into the rebuild. People are so set on homeruns that they cannot see the little details. Lack was no gem we groomed into a blue chip asset. He was a good back up... the kind that can fill in for injuries for long stretches. In a different draft we get offred higher picks for whats being shopped. It is what it is. There is going to be more disappointment coming... benning isnt holding a game controller over riding the games trade denials... can't blame him for thinking the other GT's being worth more.... that is not speculation anymore because JB would have taken those offers for Lack instead of a 3rd and a 7th logically.

Then the fans want it the complete opposite way with Bieksa. Benning holds out for better and they roast him for it... you let Lack go for too little.... why didnt you let Bieksa go for too little. I just don't think it all plays out that simple behind closed doors.

So now that Edmonton has 2 back up goalies does that equal a number one
- thundachunk

They always say, if you have 2 starters you don't have 1 starter. I assume it works the same for backups, so do they even have a backup yet?

I love how some of the guys who loved Benning's questionable moves are now hating him when he actually did a decent job. That 2nd for Bieksa will be there today and probably at the TDL(might then get more if he bounces back in a contract year). And the draft itself was solid. Lack was a bit overrated here and clearly other GM's didn't think that highly of him.

That being said, the Miller contract is looking bad. And Lack outplayed him.

Then He'll become a 3rd and a 7th when Demko is ready.



- boonerbuck

Looking forward to the day Demko is traded! #2020TDL

I love how some of the guys who loved Benning's questionable moves are now hating him when he actually did a decent job. That 2nd for Bieksa will be there today and probably at the TDL(might then get more if he bounces back in a contract year). And the draft itself was solid. Lack was a bit overrated here and clearly other GM's didn't think that highly of him.

That being said, the Miller contract is looking bad. And Lack outplayed him.
- Nucker101

That would almost be like a guy who female doged about Benning for two months solid and runs off to Flames thread for weeks, then comes back and kisses Bennings ass

Exactly!

As bad as the Miller money sounds... it gave us the ability to move the average Lack to give someone with a higher ceiling a chance to work his way up. Losing JM would create a much further gap in net as well. We could have signed a cheaper player than Miller... but when you wind the clock back with all the uncertainties in goal and the owners wishes to make the playoffs...they go with the best available... and I'm sure JB and linden thought the return would be higher with Lack... but it's easier to miss than hit with these decisions sometimes.

We still got new assets out of it... and Miller may be worth a pick at some point as well. In a imdirect nd somewhat stressful way, it plays into the rebuild. People are so set on homeruns that they cannot see the little details. Lack was no gem we groomed into a blue chip asset. He was a good back up... the kind that can fill in for injuries for long stretches. In a different draft we get offred higher picks for whats being shopped. It is what it is. There is going to be more disappointment coming... benning isnt holding a game controller over riding the games trade denials... can't blame him for thinking the other GT's being worth more.... that is not speculation anymore because JB would have taken those offers for Lack instead of a 3rd and a 7th logically.

Then the fans want it the complete opposite way with Bieksa. Benning holds out for better and they roast him for it... you let Lack go for too little.... why didnt you let Bieksa go for too little. I just don't think it all plays out that simple behind closed doors.
- boonerbuck

Yea, in the end we can't really see what's going on and at best can speculate based on rumours and 2nd hand speculation. It's also not like other deals this weekend were executed perfectly. Griffin Reinhart has been noted as having limited upside and was passed on NYI's depth chart, and I think Chiarelli overpaid for him. Murray definitely overpaid for Lehner. The Dougie Hamilton deal is brutal and Boston's draft picks look like terrible value. I know people are going to say "great so we don't have the WORST GM" but everyone needs to keep in mind that it isn't an exact science and sometimes waiting works. Other times you need to fork over extra aassets and pull the trigger. Knowing when to do that isn't easy

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r...t8q4eABLdiHLHklQOISqMAe8R

Some days I just wanna

I seen a tweet that Leafs and Flyers are lookng to trade Kessel for Lecavalier and Schenn.

That would mean Leafs gave up 2 firsts and a second for a player they had.

If you ever feel bad about being a Canuck fan look to the Great Lakes for comic relief

I love how some of the guys who loved Benning's questionable moves are now hating him when he actually did a decent job. That 2nd for Bieksa will be there today and probably at the TDL(might then get more if he bounces back in a contract year). And the draft itself was solid. Lack was a bit overrated here and clearly other GM's didn't think that highly of him.

That being said, the Miller contract is looking bad. And Lack outplayed him.
- Nucker101

Love your take on what people expect of benning...

Lack out played Miller at times but....

Lack was letting a lot of goals in during our late season run. Only for the last couple of games did he tighten up.

There was a really good push by Miller in the first half of the season for a while... better than any run Lack had. So I guess if you cherry pick the numbers... it could look either way really. At the end of the year, the season stats don't show all the other things the team's going through like injuries, long road trips, meeting hot teams and hot players, your own D playing hot or cold... what ever. Lack didn't strike me as more than doing whats expected of him. He still hasn't had a season as a starter so people pretend he's a number 1 and dream home run.

All I know is if we have both Sbisa and Bieksa on the team at the same time... it doesn't matter who's in net. They will earn us a better pick position. Even failing to trade Bieksa will help the rebuild because of suckage... like I said a few weeks back... I can live with bad D and underachieving goaltending for the season........ while seeing a good group of offense entertaining us. I'll take what I can while we wait for the time needed.

That would almost be like a guy who female doged about Benning for two months solid and runs off to Flames thread for weeks, then comes back and kisses Bennings ass
- VANTEL

Nucker moves on quicker than most. I envy him.

Nucker moves on quicker than most. I envy him.


- boonerbuck

I know nothing about our draft picks this year. I do know I never heard once anyone on here say"Krishner, I hope we draft Bowser" I will wait passing judgment on any picks.

I do know I am tired of this core and can't wait for new faces

I seen a tweet that Leafs and Flyers are lookng to trade Kessel for Lecavalier and Schenn.

That would mean Leafs gave up 2 firsts and a second for a player they had.

If you ever feel bad about being a Canuck fan look to the Great Lakes for comic relief
- VANTEL

(frank)in gold Jerry

I know nothing about our draft picks this year. I do know I never heard once anyone on here say"Krishner, I hope we draft Bowser" I will wait passing judgment on any picks.

I do know I am tired of this core and can't wait for new faces
- VANTEL

Lots of the people who religiously follow prospects on HF were really high on Boeser. I like to check in there for more detailed looks than some of the obvious guys. He's definitely not an "off the board" guy and could very well turn out to be a first or second line winger. I don't know anything about the other guys but for what I read after seeing them drafted by us but some of them appear to have been ranked much higher than where we took them, which is good value. I'm not super pumped about the prospect crop but I'm definitely not disappointed with it.

I know nothing about our draft picks this year. I do know I never heard once anyone on here say"Krishner, I hope we draft Bowser" I will wait passing judgment on any picks.

I do know I am tired of this core and can't wait for new faces
- VANTEL

Apparently he is quite the sniper...something we needed...ranked quite nicely.

That being said, the Miller contract is looking bad. And Lack outplayed him.
- Nucker101

Yes lack was the better goalie and outplayed miller. kinda felt he often outplayed loungo when he was here too. Not always but often enough.

Lack is not over rated at all. Hes extremely good positionally and the saves he came up with were often exceptional. Its hard to find someone so positionally sound. Lets hope markstrom is the same.

Although id say I think management should have had a contract framework in place for JM just to be sure as hes now got leverage.

One thing is clear by watching last season, management didnt want lack in the starter role right from the get go with what 20 something games going by with no action. So Its better for all then that hes traded.