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KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:31 PM ET
Canucks fans really should start bracing themselves for the fact we are likely not going to get the sort of return for Lack we want. Too many goalies and not enough jobs.

Available via trade:

Lack (or Markstrom)
Talbot
Jones
Lehner (or Anderson)


UFAs:

Niemi
Ramo
Dubnyk
Neuvirth
Enroth
Fasth
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Jun 24 @ 3:32 PM ET
LOL nope... you are stuck with his a$$
- JVince11


You can have Jensen then...
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 24 @ 3:33 PM ET
Aaron Ward ‏@TSNAaronWard
Much like NYR and Talbot, VAN has multiple offers on Lack. Hearing BUFF among most interested. #TSN


Per my post from yesterday:

Lack for #31
Lack for Jake McCabe
Lack for Justin Bailey


I'd like McCabe most of all given his advanced development but would be happy with either.

- AlexF




Not a f'n chance.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Jun 24 @ 3:33 PM ET
Source?
WL

I think it is in Carol's blog, Ian MacI and JB interview...
-Hillbillydeluxe


Ah, yeah I read those. I just wasnt sure if "Framework in place" meant this was actually going down yet
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 24 @ 3:35 PM ET
Canucks fans really should start bracing themselves for the fact we are likely not going to get the sort of return for Lack we want. Too many goalies and not enough jobs.

Available via trade:

Lack (or Markstrom)
Talbot
Jones
Lehner (or Anderson)


UFAs:

Niemi
Ramo
Dubnyk
Neuvirth
Enroth
Fasth

- KB3Point0

Career backups.
Dubnyk will likely get signed by Min i think, Ramo and Niemi are not worth as much as Lack/Talbot. Lehner still needs to develop as a backup before he is ready for a shot at #1
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 24 @ 3:37 PM ET
Career backups.
Dubnyk will likely get signed by Min i think, Ramo and Niemi are not worth as much as Lack/Talbot. Lehner still needs to develop as a backup before he is ready for a shot at #1

- Retinalz


Howard is available too via trade and plenty of playoff experience there too. Lindback who played solid down the stretch for us is a UFA as well

I love how you highlighted certain guys as career backups and not realize that Lack is a 27 year old career back up as well.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 24 @ 3:38 PM ET
I'd take Harkins and hopefully Kylington if hes still there.
- SRam19



Forwards I'd be happy with at 23 or lower who have a chance to still be there:

1. Joel Eriksson Ek:
A gritty center with good size and likes to get his nose dirty. Uses his big body to protect the puck well and wins corner battles. Drives the net and goes into dirty areas. Tries to be in your face each shift and is a good agitator. Good net presence to screen and provoke rebounds. Has a nose for scoring and seems always in good position. Can play physical and is present in after whistle scrums. His first steps are not the fastest and his skating abilities are improvable. Eriksson Ek is a very competitive center with a good scoring touch and great work ethic. Besides his good shot, he might not have high end scoring assets but is doing all for the win and fits into NHL style hockey.




2. Denis Guryanov:
A typical Russian power forward with good size and an absolute rocket shot. Loves to fire the puck and uses his whole shot arsenal to score. Shoots whenever he finds an open lane. Like many Russian players, he has good hands and is decent in 1vs1 situations. Uses his big body to make room for plays and brings himself in good shooting position, often wins corner battles. Is a good puck protector as well. Tries to be more responsible in his own zone but still needs to improve his defensive game. Has good top speed but his first steps could be more explosive. Finishes checks and has good balance. Guryanov is an offensive threat whenever he is having the puck in the offensive zone and can be an effective power forward because of his overall competitiveness, strength and great shot




3. Brock Boeser:
A dynamic offensive winger and natural goal scorer. Has great instincts and is able to quickly get into position for premium scoring chances; possesses an accurate release on his shot which he can get off in the blink of an eye. He always knows where his linemates are, and is a great passer; that being said, his individual puck possession play is incredible and sets him apart as an offensive player. He will need to work on defensive zone coverage and a slew of small details such as board battles, but Brock Boeser has a ton of elite-level scoring potential due to the way he can read, make, and finish plays.

Some scouts are seeing quite a bit of Patrick Sharp in Mr. Boeser. He skates well and has a complete set of goal-scorer's tools. Doesn't give up his own end, and transitions to offense in such a quick and concrete way that he can catch the opposition off-guard.


4. Jansen Harkins:
A blue collar type two-way center. Heads-up player who makes high-percentage plays in all three zones; efficient in all situations. Smooth skater. Out-working the opposition and being hard to play against are leadership traits that Jansen Harkins most definitely embodies

Has been getting many comparisons, due to his high-end playmaking ability and all-around game, to the player David Krejci. Comparable adaptive game and ability to shoot as well as pass the puck.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 24 @ 3:38 PM ET
Canucks fans really should start bracing themselves for the fact we are likely not going to get the sort of return for Lack we want. Too many goalies and not enough jobs.

Available via trade:

Lack (or Markstrom)
Talbot
Jones
Lehner (or Anderson)


UFAs:

Niemi
Ramo
Dubnyk
Neuvirth
Enroth
Fasth

- KB3Point0



Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 24 @ 3:39 PM ET
Howard is available too via trade and plenty of playoff experience there too. Lindback who played solid down the stretch for us is a UFA as well

I love how you highlighted certain guys as career backups and not realize that Lack is a 27 year old career back up as well.

- JVince11

Lack proved last season that he deserves a legit shot at being #1 as he would be able to handle the load. The guys I highlighted have not done that yet. Many goalies don't start being #1 until 26/27 years old.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

Jun 24 @ 3:41 PM ET
There were so many 'Hawks fans circling the display, an impromptu chorus of "Chelsea Dagger" even broke out at one point. I'm so envious of their goal song—it's the best goal song in sports, in my opinion. Even Cole Cassels' Oshawa Generals were using it during their Memorial Cup run.


I think it's single handedly the MOST (frank)ing annoying song in all history. duh da duh da, duh da duh, duh da duh da duhhh, duh da duh da. Annoying, unoriginal, overplayed, annoying, and unoriginal. I hated it the day they started using it way back when.
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 24 @ 3:42 PM ET
Lack proved last season that he deserves a legit shot at being #1 as he would be able to handle the load. The guys I highlighted have not done that yet. Many goalies don't start being #1 until 26/27 years old.
- Retinalz


I'm not saying that Lack doesn't deserve it but I don't think the price is as high as one might hope it is.

talbot technically had a better record and numbers even though I like him a lot less than Lack. Talbot played in a very good defensive system in NYR whereas Lack in VAN is in a system where goalies are hung out to dry very often and they still had similar numbers. Lack faced 150 more shots in just 3 games of difference between Neuvirth and Lack. The thing that scares me about Lack was his playoff performance. 1-3 with a 3.03 GAA and .886 S%.

I honestly think that 31 for Lack straight up is an overpayment. I'd hope that a 4th or something would come back with Lack in that deal.
bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:46 PM ET
I'd say a fair deal would be the 51st pick in the 2nd round and a 2nd in 2017 from Buffalo
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:46 PM ET
Carlo is a big fat no….he's the equivalent of Jared Tinordi. The Canucks need to draft skill, I sincerely hope Benning and his staff lean that way.
- LeftCoaster


Agree on Carlo.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 24 @ 3:46 PM ET
I'm not saying that Lack doesn't deserve it but I don't think the price is as high as one might hope it is.

talbot technically had a better record and numbers even though I like him a lot less than Lack. Talbot played in a very good defensive system in NYR whereas Lack in VAN is in a system where goalies are hung out to dry very often and they still had similar numbers. Lack faced 150 more shots in just 3 games of difference between Neuvirth and Lack. The thing that scares me about Lack was his playoff performance. 1-3 with a 3.03 GAA and .886 S%.

I honestly think that 31 for Lack straight up is an overpayment. I'd hope that a 4th or something would come back with Lack in that deal.

- JVince11

If it sealed the deal i would include a 6th or one of our 5th's with lack for #31. But if Talbot is offered 2nd's to get him, lack is worth #31 IMO.
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Jun 24 @ 3:47 PM ET
Canucks fans really should start bracing themselves for the fact we are likely not going to get the sort of return for Lack we want. Too many goalies and not enough jobs.

Available via trade:

Lack (or Markstrom)
Talbot
Jones
Lehner (or Anderson)


UFAs:

Niemi
Ramo
Dubnyk
Neuvirth
Enroth
Fasth

- KB3Point0


Correct, rumors have it that it's not #31, it's #51. Not sure if it's just a straight #51 or if something small is added to it??
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:48 PM ET
Howard is available too via trade and plenty of playoff experience there too. Lindback who played solid down the stretch for us is a UFA as well

I love how you highlighted certain guys as career backups and not realize that Lack is a 27 year old career back up as well.

- JVince11


Who carried the Canucks when Miller went down.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 24 @ 3:48 PM ET
I'd say a fair deal would be the 51st pick in the 2nd round and a 2nd in 2017 from Buffalo
- bluengold12

Thats not bad since the 2017 2nd will be a top 40 as well
bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:50 PM ET
Aaron Ward ‏@TSNAaronWard
Much like NYR and Talbot, VAN has multiple offers on Lack. Hearing BUFF among most interested. #TSN


Per my post from yesterday:

Lack for #31
Lack for Jake McCabe
Lack for Justin Bailey

I'd like McCabe most of all given his advanced development but would be happy with either.

- AlexF


We're thin on top end D prospects so McCabe would have to come with a 2nd line winger
Bailey is one of our top RW prospects he'd require Lack plus a high end draft pick which you don't have. 31 is possible but I personally believe a fair deal for both parties is our second 2nd round pick which is 51 I believe and our 2nd in 2017
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:50 PM ET
If it sealed the deal i would include a 6th or one of our 5th's with lack for #31. But if Talbot is offered 2nd's to get him, lack is worth #31 IMO.
- Retinalz


Absolutely. Talbot is the comparable.
bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:51 PM ET
Thats not bad since the 2017 2nd will be a top 40 as well
- Retinalz


Ha-Ha very funny. I highly doubt that but even so giving up the 31st pick this year which is practically a 1st or giving up the 2nd next year (Draft in Buffalo) Wouldn't make sense. This way Vancouver has the possibility of getting a high end 2nd round pick in 2017 or worse comes to worse a middle 2nd round pick in 17' most likely.
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 24 @ 3:52 PM ET
Absolutely. Talbot is the comparable.
- VanHockeyGuy


I would imagine that NYR might have leaked that they were "offered 2 2nds and turned it down" just to try to drive the price up?

Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 24 @ 3:52 PM ET
We're thin on top end D prospects so McCabe would have to come with a 2nd line winger
Bailey is one of our top RW prospects he'd require Lack plus a high end draft pick which you don't have. 31 is possible but I personally believe a fair deal for both parties is our second 2nd round pick which is 51 I believe and our 2nd in 2017

- bluengold12

We would prefer 2016 not 2017 though as benning really likes next years draft
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:55 PM ET
We would prefer 2016 not 2017 though as benign really likes next years draft
- Retinalz

Only because will be picking top 5 and will have 10 plus draft picks because he is going to sell everyone.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 24 @ 3:58 PM ET
there was only 4 trades before the draft last year.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 24 @ 4:04 PM ET
It's times like this I wish Mike Gillis was back in the NHL, he never had a problem giving draft picks away!
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