The thinking being, he just needs to get out from under the substantial shadows of Crosby and Malkin, to expand his offensive game. Perhaps a change of scenery would do that, as Sutter has shown in the past that he can put the puck in the net (20 goals for a shut-down centre is fairly impressive, considering very little PP time and always playing against the top lines of other teams). He was basically slotted into the checking centre role as soon as he came over from Carolina. Hence, it would actually be interesting to see what he can do on a team where he gets more offensive opportunities. I wouldn't mind seeing him in Vancouver, as long as we didn't have to give up anything overly significant (however, I think that Pittsburgh has much higher expectations with respect to the returns anticipated, so this might not even be a discussion starter - for now at least)
- Zogg

Bonino is Sutter for half the price - no thanks

The thinking being, he just needs to get out from under the substantial shadows of Crosby and Malkin, to expand his offensive game. Perhaps a change of scenery would do that, as Sutter has shown in the past that he can put the puck in the net (20 goals for a shut-down centre is fairly impressive, considering very little PP time and always playing against the top lines of other teams). He was basically slotted into the checking centre role as soon as he came over from Carolina. Hence, it would actually be interesting to see what he can do on a team where he gets more offensive opportunities. I wouldn't mind seeing him in Vancouver, as long as we didn't have to give up anything overly significant (however, I think that Pittsburgh has much higher expectations with respect to the returns anticipated, so this might not even be a discussion starter - for now at least)
- Zogg

Every winger that plays with him has a decline in production. That doesn't scream top 6 to me. Plus Crosby and Malkin have missed their fair share of games so he's had top 6 opportunities and gets 2nd unit PP time as well.

Hopefully between Friday and July 5th Benning can make the team younger and draft some skill. Teams needs a serious infusion of skill, especially on defence.

I can't under stand the people who want to take a step back for a few years of good drafting but they want to keep Lack because he's the better goaltender....that's counter to your argument isn't it?

Then there's the ones who want to get rid of Miller for cap space, to use on better players, but they wanna take a step back and get younger thru the draft as well....as counter to your stance???

We have a goaltender in Lack than can help us down the road via a draft pick, use that asset so you can be a contender in the future, because everyone else knows it ain't happening in the next three years.
- LeftCoaster

Unfortunately, at least in my opinion, the high second rounder is a bit disappointing. You would think that Lack could fetch a little more than that. As someone said, Canucks haven't had the greatest luck in terms of goaltender transactions - and when there was a solid market for goalies, the Canucks weren't selling at that time. Hopefully, though, if the 2 second rounders for Talbot is the established market for goalies this summer, then perhaps that would translate to the Canucks getting a better return for Lack.

Bonino is Sutter for half the price - no thanks
- LeftCoaster

This.


NO


MORE


THIRD


LINERS

You often hear that when trades are made, we must put emotions aside and make the correct hockey decisions. I have never totally accepted that as fact as players are more than just their statistics and can a significant positive effect on teams due to intangibles.

When Cory Schneider was traded... it hurt. But we were asked to put emotions aside and think long term, (And remember at the time, no one ever heard of Bo or knew his upside) and besides we have Lou and this new guy Eddie who has been shaking up the juniors.

Then we Trade Lou... it hurt. But we were asked to put our emotions aside and think long term. (And remember just how popular he was for taking all of the abuse put upon this former captain and heart of the team... a leader like no other goalie in the league) and besides we have Eddie and .... well, we will rally around Eddie.

I can't do it anymore. I cannot allow central players, those that the city rally around for their contributions to be traded with the promise that the next guy is just as good or better.

Miller is a good goalie, past his prime and falling further from any comparison to the first tier goalies like Price and Lunquist and even second tier (but still very good) starters like Crawford and Quick.

The right thing to do is buy out Miller if he does not accept a trade to San Jose or any other team that has kicked tires on him.

The second best thing to do would be to trade Markstrom as he is 100% unproven in the NHL and each of his starts so far have been gong shows... yet he is 'shaking up the juniors'.

I am just not sure I can stomach another goalie trade from goalies who were developed in our system like Schieder and Lack or even Markstrom for that matter.... although he is the least of the three that would create turmoil as he is still unproven.

It Lack great??? Not really. Is he as good as Miller.... yes. Is he as good as Markstrom... certainly.

Keep the youth and get rid of Miller.

Miller was basically brought in for three years to allow our young goalies to slowing improve in the relative safety of a stable back-up and slowly gain more and more games so that at the end of the three years, we have a new #1.

Where did that plan suddenly go?

I understand that Markstrom will go to Europe next season and then return a UFA if he is not on the team this year... well I don't think Blackmail is any reason to keep an unproven goalie.

Toronto sucks.

Rant over.

Unfortunately, at least in my opinion, the high second rounder is a bit disappointing. You would think that Lack could fetch a little more than that. As someone said, Canucks haven't had the greatest luck in terms of goaltender transactions - and when there was a solid market for goalies, the Canucks weren't selling at that time. Hopefully, though, if the 2 second rounders for Talbot is the established market for goalies this summer, then perhaps that would translate to the Canucks getting a better return for Lack.
- Zogg

Guess we'll see what the return is but he's the most moveable asset so you get the highest return you can and move on.

Having Markstrom develop under Miller is ideal in my opinion. Kids good but he can't be thrown into the fire, he needs some sheltered starts and to build his confidence at the NHL level.

Every winger that plays with him has a decline in production. That doesn't scream top 6 to me. Plus Crosby and Malkin have missed their fair share of games so he's had top 6 opportunities and gets 2nd unit PP time as well.
- Nucker101

has he actually had steady line-mates? and were they decent in quality? I think being a number three center on a team stacked full of offensive stars, it would be hard to impact the play of others, but if what you say is true, then you'd think that aspect of things could be used in negotiations in our favour? (allowing for a more modest return as concerns Pitt). The point is, the guy is a good skater, has a good shot, has an excellent defensive conscience, and is still fairly young. It's the cap hit I'm not too excited about, and which would be more of a hinderance than anything else. I think given the chance, and a more defined offensive role, Sutter would produce

You often hear that when trades are made, we must put emotions aside and make the correct hockey decisions. I have never totally accepted that as fact as players are more than just their statistics and can a significant positive effect on teams due to intangibles.

When Cory Schneider was traded... it hurt. But we were asked to put emotions aside and think long term, (And remember at the time, no one ever heard of Bo or knew his upside) and besides we have Lou and this new guy Eddie who has been shaking up the juniors.

Then we Trade Lou... it hurt. But we were asked to put our emotions aside and think long term. (And remember just how popular he was for taking all of the abuse put upon this former captain and heart of the team... a leader like no other goalie in the league) and besides we have Eddie and .... well, we will rally around Eddie.

I can't do it anymore. I cannot allow central players, those that the city rally around for their contributions to be traded with the promise that the next guy is just as good or better.

Miller is a good goalie, past his prime and falling further from any comparison to the first tier goalies like Price and Lunquist and even second tier (but still very good) starters like Crawford and Quick.

The right thing to do is buy out Miller if he does not accept a trade to San Jose or any other team that has kicked tires on him.

The second best thing to do would be to trade Markstrom as he is 100% unproven in the NHL and each of his starts so far have been gong shows... yet he is 'shaking up the juniors'.

I am just not sure I can stomach another goalie trade from goalies who were developed in our system like Schieder and Lack or even Markstrom for that matter.... although he is the least of the three that would create turmoil as he is still unproven.

It Lack great??? Not really. Is he as good as Miller.... yes. Is he as good as Markstrom... certainly.

Keep the youth and get rid of Miller.

Miller was basically brought in for three years to allow our young goalies to slowing improve in the relative safety of a stable back-up and slowly gain more and more games so that at the end of the three years, we have a new #1.

Where did that plan suddenly go?

I understand that Markstrom will go to Europe next season and then return a UFA if he is not on the team this year... well I don't think Blackmail is any reason to keep an unproven goalie.

Toronto sucks.

Rant over.
- Beatle_john

good rant, Beatle

You often hear that when trades are made, we must put emotions aside and make the correct hockey decisions. I have never totally accepted that as fact as players are more than just their statistics and can a significant positive effect on teams due to intangibles.

When Cory Schneider was traded... it hurt. But we were asked to put emotions aside and think long term, (And remember at the time, no one ever heard of Bo or knew his upside) and besides we have Lou and this new guy Eddie who has been shaking up the juniors.

Then we Trade Lou... it hurt. But we were asked to put our emotions aside and think long term. (And remember just how popular he was for taking all of the abuse put upon this former captain and heart of the team... a leader like no other goalie in the league) and besides we have Eddie and .... well, we will rally around Eddie.

I can't do it anymore. I cannot allow central players, those that the city rally around for their contributions to be traded with the promise that the next guy is just as good or better.

Miller is a good goalie, past his prime and falling further from any comparison to the first tier goalies like Price and Lunquist and even second tier (but still very good) starters like Crawford and Quick.

The right thing to do is buy out Miller if he does not accept a trade to San Jose or any other team that has kicked tires on him.

The second best thing to do would be to trade Markstrom as he is 100% unproven in the NHL and each of his starts so far have been gong shows... yet he is 'shaking up the juniors'.

I am just not sure I can stomach another goalie trade from goalies who were developed in our system like Schieder and Lack or even Markstrom for that matter.... although he is the least of the three that would create turmoil as he is still unproven.

It Lack great??? Not really. Is he as good as Miller.... yes. Is he as good as Markstrom... certainly.

Keep the youth and get rid of Miller.

Miller was basically brought in for three years to allow our young goalies to slowing improve in the relative safety of a stable back-up and slowly gain more and more games so that at the end of the three years, we have a new #1.

Where did that plan suddenly go?

I understand that Markstrom will go to Europe next season and then return a UFA if he is not on the team this year... well I don't think Blackmail is any reason to keep an unproven goalie.

Toronto sucks.

Rant over.
- Beatle_john

"it hurt" what the (frank) are you some teenage girl? It's an $800 million dollar business. We're talking about a kid in Lack who's taken forever, in NHL years, to prove himself worthy of a chance.

Kick his ass to the curb and develop the kid who's two years younger and just as good if not better.

Professional sports is a business where assets come and go *news flash*

Rant over

The next Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup is?

In what year?

Sad.

The next Canadian team to win the Stanley Cup is?

In what year?

Sad.
- VanHockeyGuy

Saskatoon Hicks - 2069 Stanley Cup Champions

Saskatoon Hicks - 2069 Stanley Cup Champions
- Nucker101

Is that just outside BumFeck?

Saskatoon Hicks - 2069 Stanley Cup Champions
- Nucker101

Spuzzum Metropolis 2044

Wow, Price with the Hart (and Vezina) - some serious hardware
- Zogg

He got the Ted Lindsay also for the most valuable player as voted by the players.

Hopefully between Friday and July 5th Benning can make the team younger and draft some skill. Teams needs a serious infusion of skill, especially on defence.

I can't under stand the people who want to take a step back for a few years of good drafting but they want to keep Lack because he's the better goaltender....that's counter to your argument isn't it?

Then there's the ones who want to get rid of Miller for cap space, to use on better players, but they wanna take a step back and get younger thru the draft as well....again counter to your stance???

We have a goaltender in Lack than can help us down the road via a draft pick, use that asset so you can be a contender in the future, because everyone else knows it ain't happening in the next three years.
- LeftCoaster

I want to add youth while still trying to remain competitive. Basically, putting the best possible team on the ice and swapping out declining players for younger players as you go. Which is why I'm annoyed that for the second time in three years we are going to trade the better, younger goalie because of the older goalie's contract. I didn't like that movie the first time.

Hopefully between Friday and July 5th Benning can make the team younger and draft some skill. Teams needs a serious infusion of skill, especially on defence.

I can't under stand the people who want to take a step back for a few years of good drafting but they want to keep Lack because he's the better goaltender....that's counter to your argument isn't it?

Then there's the ones who want to get rid of Miller for cap space, to use on better players, but they wanna take a step back and get younger thru the draft as well....again counter to your stance???

We have a goaltender in Lack than can help us down the road via a draft pick, use that asset so you can be a contender in the future, because everyone else knows it ain't happening in the next three years.
- LeftCoaster

I can't speak for the contradictory speech in what is wanted other than I think people are simply bored these days and are happy to entertain hypotheticals of every kind.

Re Lack I will say that, even if we did get a 2nd for him as many are pining for here, the odds are firmly against that player ever contributing to this team in any significant way. It's just the nature of how few draft picks ever pan out, especially after the 1st round.

I am not one of those fans . I would rather have the younger cheaper guy stay. I would rather eat 2 mil and move Miller
- VANTEL

I think the vast majority would prefer Miller.gone, but as that won't happen we're debating between the 2 realistic options.

I want to add youth while still trying to remain competitive. Basically, putting the best possible team on the ice and swapping out declining players for younger players as you go. Which is why I'm annoyed that for the second time in three years we are going to trade the better, younger goalie because of the older goalie's contract. I didn't like that movie the first time.
- CubanBuffet

Don't agree with the re-tool plan. Argue until the cows come home, look around the division to start, then consider how many Canadian teams win the cup. Think about it.

I can't speak for the contradictory speech in what is wanted other than I think people are simply bored these days and are happy to entertain hypotheticals of every kind.

Re Lack I will say that, even if we did get a 2nd for him as many are pining for here, the odds are firmly against that player ever contributing to this team in any significant way. It's just the nature of how few draft picks ever pan out, especially after the 1st round.
- AlexF

Expect the same result next season, or worse. Just being realistic.

I want to add youth while still trying to remain competitive. Basically, putting the best possible team on the ice and swapping out declining players for younger players as you go. Which is why I'm annoyed that for the econd time in three years we are going to trade the better, younger goalie because of the older goalie's contract. I didn't like that movie the first time.
- CubanBuffet

I don't think he is better. He has youth upside going for him. He has a great work ethic. Super likeable guy. Really is this whole petition thing gonna work.

I want to add youth while still trying to remain competitive. Basically, putting the best possible team on the ice and swapping out declining players for younger players as you go. Which is why I'm annoyed that for the second time in three years we are going to trade the better, younger goalie because of the older goalie's contract. I didn't like that movie the first time.
- CubanBuffet

My biggest female dog about Miller is Benning gave him three years, maybe he thought the team could compete for two or three more years? Signing him was a nobrainer IMO because Lack was very much unproven when Miller signed.

I'd prefer to move Miller, but it ain't happening so I try to be realistic about their current situation

Good posts Lefty.

I don't think he is better. He has youth upside going for him. He has a great work ethic. Super likeable guy. Really is this whole petition thing gonna work.
- thundachunk

870 votes or something at the time of this blog... and some of those guys are repeat voters no doubt... city is absolutely...not going nuts to keep Lack.


I bet you could get more people to vote to get Rory Fitzpatrick in the next all star game.

Good posts Lefty.
- boonerbuck

I disagree


For the hell of it

all access draft meeting:

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