Elliot Friedman is pretty good at his job. I trust what he has to say.
- bloatedmosquito

There's a few good ones. Friedman, MacKenzie, LeBrun and Lavoie are the ones I personally follow on twitter.

Nucker....who said you could come back in here, you turncoat
- LeftCoaster

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Elliot Friedman is pretty good at his job. I trust what he has to say.
- bloatedmosquito

I just read what is on mynhltraderumors.

Kyle Dubas has long been one of the strongest supporters of analytics and was apparently a bit of a pioneer. There is a really good article when he was still the GM of SSM, talking about McCann but also analytics research.

Shanaban also told the rest of the league recently that to forward all trade discussions his way so it sounds like the Leafs trust him.
- belcherbd

Dubas is a hockey guy who also knows analytics. That does not mean that the Leafs are going "with a more methodical, stat based approach." It means that they will use analytics as one additional tool in their player assessment arsenal, like almost every team does.

Would anyone suggest that the Blackhawks wouldn't go after Lucic because they go with a more methodical, stat based approach? Because the Blackhawks have been one of the biggest users of analytics for years.

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- Alpha_Nuck

Inside joke

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- VANTEL

That's him...

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- VANTEL

Well I'm confused.

That's him...
- LeftCoaster

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That's him...
- LeftCoaster

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I'm hoping for an early 2nd, but you're right. Benning doesn't appear to be a great negotiator and he gives away too much when he talks to the media by saying Miller will stay, a goalie will be moved, he doesn't think his goalies are the best available, and that he wants a 2nd.
- Alpha_Nuck

Someone has to be interested in Miller or he is trying to drum up interest in Miller to say he is unavailable? Nope, not on the market. Miller is the #1. Miller is a pro...

please JB, be that gm master mind with the disarming down to earth persona who is manipulating media and other gm's to pull off the best possible trades for the Canucks...

Kyle Dubas is apart of their front office staff, they fired Nonis who was never big on moneyball stats. Shanahan comes from that Yzerman/Holland tree of management. I know it's painful for those of you who hate Toronto, but it seems like they want to get away from the dinosaur way of management with guys like Burke/Nonis and go with a more methodical approach. If they select Marner then I'll really be convinced that they're going down that path.

For now I'm just speculating.
- Alpha_Nuck

I agree that they're going more methodical. I disagree that Dubas being versed in analytics means that the Leafs will be going with a more stats based approach. That's the sort of thinking the dinosaurs who say analytics have no place in the game point to.

Someone has to be interested in Miller or he is trying to drum up interest in Miller to say he is unavailable? Nope, not on the market. Miller is the #1. Miller is a pro...

please JB, be that gm master mind with the disarming down to earth persona who is manipulating media and other gm's to pull off the best possible trades for the Canucks...
- hillbillydeluxe

I actually was okay with the Miller signing. Lack was still fairly unproven after last year but outplayed Miller this past season. I wish Miller's deal was one year shorter or didn't include a no trade clause. Not sure if it's a full no trade?

Dubas is a hockey guy who also knows analytics. That does not mean that the Leafs are going "with a more methodical, stat based approach." It means that they will use analytics as one additional tool in their player assessment arsenal, like almost every team does.

Would anyone suggest that the Blackhawks wouldn't go after Lucic because they go with a more methodical, stat based approach? Because the Blackhawks have been one of the biggest users of analytics for years.
- KB3Point0

Why would they hire a guy known for a methodical, stat based approach as AGM and give him the responsibility for trades if they didn't value his skills?

Not enough goalies to go around for the buyers wants.
Still nobody will overpay so its a cat n mouse game.
Posturing GM's will string it out n 1st domino will get action crackin.

Niemi n Ramo draw most interest being UFA.
Dubnyk is a wild card n who knows.
Then its Talbot who can be moved easiest.
Both Ottawa n Vancouver MUST move a goalie in harder to pull off.

Someone has to be interested in Miller or he is trying to drum up interest in Miller to say he is unavailable? Nope, not on the market. Miller is the #1. Miller is a pro...

please JB, be that gm master mind with the disarming down to earth persona who is manipulating media and other gm's to pull off the best possible trades for the Canucks...
- hillbillydeluxe

Getting rid of Lack, if he can get value, is going to happen. People just need to accept it.

I agree that they're going more methodical. I disagree that Dubas being versed in analytics means that the Leafs will be going with a more stats based approach. That's the sort of thinking the dinosaurs who say analytics have no place in the game point to.
- KB3Point0

Fair point. I did like Dubas work in the OHL but he'll always be known for that blockbuster Jack Campbell trade which was pretty controversial to say the least and backfired on him. I was pretty shocked by it as someone who follows the CHL closely.

Someone has to be interested in Miller or he is trying to drum up interest in Miller to say he is unavailable? Nope, not on the market. Miller is the #1. Miller is a pro...

please JB, be that gm master mind with the disarming down to earth persona who is manipulating media and other gm's to pull off the best possible trades for the Canucks...
- hillbillydeluxe

If miller was on the market. He would be the the only true number 1.

He's only 25, most d-men play well until they're about 32 or so. I'd consider a 25 year old top-4 d-man as a core player.
- Alpha_Nuck

None of that means he's less likely to be traded, which is the point. While probably unlikely, due to our lack of young defensive depth, I don't see Tanev as a traditional Benning type D, so I could see a scenario where he is traded.

I actually was okay with the Miller signing. Lack was still fairly unproven after last year but outplayed Miller this past season. I wish Miller's deal was one year shorter or didn't include a no trade clause. Not sure if it's a full no trade?
- Alpha_Nuck

I understand the Miller signing, if as JB said, the players at their exit interviews wanted a veteran net minder back there. But I don't understand any loyalty to Miller. The guy signed market dollars here in Vancouver and if JB can somehow trade Miller over Lack, return be damned, I think he is stupid not to.

Lack is cheaper and put up good numbers.

If Lack is traded, it won't be the end of the world either.

https://twitter.com/nine3...status/613514775981469696

I'm just curious if there is something in the CBA which provides clarity on this type of scenario or, as you've touched on, if it's simply up to the player to determine which sheet he signs? And if it is just up to the player, how is the return for the team being submitted the offer sheet play out (i.e. how do they calculate which picks and what rounds etc the team is to receive as compensation -other than the monetary level which corresponds to how many first, second round picks they would get back). My point is, is there something in the CBA which addresses such a situation?
- Zogg

Yes. Just picture an offer sheet as a contract, which it is. He signs one if he likes it. Once he does he can't sign another contract, but as it is a contract in the form of an "offer sheet," the team that owns his rights are given the opportunity to match the identical contract offer, via the CBA.

Don't over complicate it!

Someone has to be interested in Miller or he is trying to drum up interest in Miller to say he is unavailable? Nope, not on the market. Miller is the #1. Miller is a pro...

please JB, be that gm master mind with the disarming down to earth persona who is manipulating media and other gm's to pull off the best possible trades for the Canucks...
- hillbillydeluxe

where is that 'wing and a prayer' icon?

https://twitter.com/nine30shineshop/status/613514775981469696



- VANTEL

If miller was on the market. He would be the the only true number 1.
- manvanfan

That would be a favourable spin. It is funny when we try to evaluate a goalie like Lack we hear the, he only played so many regular season games, he wasn't the number 1, it isn't the same if you aren't the number 1 to begin with, no pressure on the back up.

Haven't heard any of this or similar in regards to Talbot.

Somehow I think if Miller was on the market, he would get picked at and ripped apart by msm. Not worth anything, see what happened with the Blues.

NTC in 2 more years kicks in
- VANTEL

Trade high. He's not an all star D and someone is likely willing to pay as if he is.