Lack is not a great goalie and is not worth a 1st either.
- KB3Point0

Didn't say he was worth a 1st.

If you are a GM and you're not lying (at least to some extent), you're not doing your job very well
- Zogg

I don't believe the Talbot rumors either, I also don't think JB is the kind of guy to outright lie to the media. MG yes.

Everyone lies at this time of year. Guess it's just part of the program.
- VanHockeyGuy

That was Pratt's rant on 1040 the other day. How do you know if a gm is lying? his lips are moving.

If JB hasn't spoken with any players regarding waiving their ntc's, then we won't be trading any players with ntc's. I hope JB is lying when he says he hasn't approached any players about ntc's.

Didn't say he was worth a 1st.
- manvanfan

If two 2nd round picks isn't enough for Talbot, then Lack is easily worth a 2nd(and not a late one).


He's our best goalie right now so it'll be tough to see him let go but hopefully Markstrom can translate his dominant AHL season over to the NHL next year.

I don't believe the Talbot rumors either, I also don't think JB is the kind of guy to outright lie to the media. MG yes.
- VanHockeyGuy

All just bs to make a market.

Phi would of given up 4 1st for Weber I believe and Vanek as well would of fetch 4 1sts.
- belcherbd

Good grief, that's almost surreal! (can you imagine the buyer's remorse if the Vanek deal went through? of course this was when he was still putting up some nice numbers, but still, what a price to pay)

All just bs to make a market.
- manvanfan

Are you suggesting that Dreger is full of sh!t?

None of the goalies up for grabs r worth a 1st.
Talbot n Lack both worth early 2nds.
Lehner late 2nd n prospect.
All 3 good for a package deal.

The likely destinations of the 3 will decide it.

That was Pratt's rant on 1040 the other day. How do you know if a gm is lying? his lips are moving.

If JB hasn't spoken with any players regarding waiving their ntc's, then we won't be trading any players with ntc's. I hope JB is lying when he says he hasn't approached any players about ntc's.
- hillbillydeluxe

I believe his process with internal meetings etc. That said he's not showing his cards either, or should.

All just bs to make a market.
- manvanfan

Exactly, you are basically dictating the market, which is what most good GM's are able to do

Good grief, that's almost surreal! (can you imagine the buyer's remorse if the Vanek deal went through? of course this was when he was still putting up some nice numbers, but still, what a price to pay)
- Zogg

To be fair he had just scored 43 goals and EDM a season removed from the stanley cup final, they likely didn't think they were heading for a number of high end picks.

Are you suggesting that Dreger is full of sh!t?
- belcherbd

I only believe bob anymore and even then most of the time he just says what he hears.

Good grief, that's almost surreal! (can you imagine the buyer's remorse if the Vanek deal went through? of course this was when he was still putting up some nice numbers, but still, what a price to pay)
- Zogg

I would give up four 1st round picks for Stamkos or a similar generational player that's already shown incredible skills and leadership. Those types of players are so rare. Too many busts over the years in the 1st round. Stamkos type player is a known commodity while those picks are just question marks. Worth it IMO.

If Lack is only worth a third as a stand alone trade he will be packaged then .

Once the first goalie is gone other teams will hurry over to the next top guy. No GM wants to be standing there holding his sac telling his fan base he was too slow to react

I'm guessing Thursday you're gonna start to see some player movement.

To be fair he had just scored 43 goals and EDM a season removed from the stanley cup final, they likely didn't think they were heading for a number of high end picks.
- belcherbd

6 years of them

I believe his process with internal meetings etc. That said he's not showing his cards either, or should.
- VanHockeyGuy

Looks like he has shown his cards regarding his goalie by offering Markstrom a qualifier and saying Miller is here to stay.

He also has committed to a number of waiver eligible players and is up against the cap. I imagine all the other GM's know what position Benning is coming from.

Other teams know he needs to move Lack and needs to shed salary, don't expect him to be getting great value.

Exactly, you are basically dictating the market, which is what most good GM's are able to do
- Zogg

JB said the return wasn't good enough for the goalies. He's setting the value, if there are no deals at the draft you know he was getting lowballed.

If Lack is only worth a third as a stand alone trade he will be packaged then .

Once the first goalie is gone other teams will hurry over to the next top guy. No GM wants to be standing there holding his sac telling his fan base he was too slow to react
- VANTEL

Hopefully Talbot gets traded first for a poop load...increases Lacks value.

I only believe bob anymore and even then most of the time he just says what he hears.
- manvanfan

Which is a hell of a lot better than Dreger and many others who just make poop up.

If Lack is only worth a third as a stand alone trade he will be packaged then .

Once the first goalie is gone other teams will hurry over to the next top guy. No GM wants to be standing there holding his sac telling his fan base he was too slow to react
- VANTEL

There's almost zero chance he's only worth a third if Talbot is apparently worth more than two second rounder. That would mean Talbot is more than twice as valuable as Lack.

I only believe bob anymore and even then most of the time he just says what he hears.
- manvanfan

Elliot Friedman is pretty good at his job. I trust what he has to say.

Looks like he has shown his cards regarding his goalie by offering Markstrom a qualifier and saying Miller is here to stay.

He also has committed to a number of waiver eligible players and is up against the cap. I imagine all the other GM's know what position Benning is coming from.

Other teams know he needs to move Lack and needs to shed salary, don't expect him to be getting great value.
- belcherbd

I'm hoping for an early 2nd, but you're right. Benning doesn't appear to be a great negotiator and he gives away too much when he talks to the media by saying Miller will stay, a goalie will be moved, he doesn't think his goalies are the best available, and that he wants a 2nd.

But he's a good scout and a been in the business for a long time.

There's almost zero chance he's only worth a third if Talbot is apparently worth more than two second rounder. That would mean Talbot is more than twice as valuable as Lack.
- Alpha_Nuck

Nucker....who said you could come back in here, you turncoat

Elliot Friedman is pretty good at his job. I trust what he has to say.
- bloatedmosquito

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