Talbot wont be traded until AV embarrasses Lundqvist and he demands to be traded.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Talbot isn't worth a 1st. He played on the presidents trophy winning team. Stats inflated. At least in Lack you know you're getting a great goalie because Van has no defence.

well, it was negotiated into the terms of the CBA so it's obviously a tool designed to be used (even though it is frowned upon in terms of being an unwritten rule that relies on conforming within the 'spirit of the game' dynamic). I wish there were more OS thrown out there, it would certainly make things a lot more interesting and would also underscore even further the importance of cap management.
- Zogg

It sure would, but these guys also drink and fish together (except MG).

I understand that, my question, however, was with respect to a scenario where multiple offer-sheets are submitted for the same player. What determines who ultimately gets the player? (if in fact the originating team won't match the offer(s)). As touched on, is it a time-line issue or is it purely based on the monetary amount? or a combination thereof?
- Zogg

The one he signs is the one that counts. He can only say yes to one then the rest are void

he's just too small to be a top 4 in the league. Ryan Ellis can't make a top 4 I doubt Subban ever will.
- manvanfan

Ellis, spurgeon, dan boyle, vatanen rafalski lots of good smallish Dmen. Is it optimal no but are some guys good enough absolutely. I think subban will be one of those guys.

Talbot isn't worth a 1st. He played on the presidents trophy winning team. Stats inflated. At least in Lack you know you're getting a great goalie because Van has no defence.
- manvanfan

What's wrong with the President's trophy?

well, it was negotiated into the terms of the CBA so it's obviously a tool designed to be used (even though it is frowned upon in terms of being an unwritten rule that relies on conforming within the 'spirit of the game' dynamic). I wish there were more OS thrown out there, it would certainly make things a lot more interesting and would also underscore even further the importance of cap management.
- Zogg

NHLPA must have wanted the clause, if I was an owner wanting to keep salaries down, I wouldn't want too many OS's being thrown around and escalating salaries for rfa's when some of the ufa salaries are bloated.

I think you want another strike

j/k

gm's are their own worst enemy. but if it is okay in the rule book, it should be okay in the playground.

How would that work? that is, it's rumoured that Edmonton is also possibly looking into that scenario, so who would ultimately be the recipient in a case where there is more than one offer sheet being thrown at the same player? would it simply be based on the monetary figure involved? or is it a time-line thing (i.e. whoever submits the offer sheet first), or is it like the draft, where your ultimate position which you finished in, determines officially whose offer sheet is in play?
- Zogg

Would be a good move for CBJ, no way they have as many injuries as last year. They should be a contending team in the east even without hamilton so the picks would be garbage.

TOR is going with a more methodical, stat-based approach with Nonis out and Lucic is overpaid according to the moneyball stats so I'd be pretty surprised to see them make a strong offer.
- Alpha_Nuck

What evidence is there of this???

Ellis, spurgeon, dan boyle, vatanen rafalski lots of good smallish Dmen. Is it optimal no but are some guys good enough absolutely. I think subban will be one of those guys.
- mauryballstein

Maybe we can enter the team in the Dwarf Toss World Cup in the offseason!

Would be a good move for CBJ, no way they have as many injuries as last year. They should be a contending team in the east even without hamilton so the picks would be garbage.
- mauryballstein

Like 23

Ellis, spurgeon, dan boyle, vatanen rafalski lots of good smallish Dmen. Is it optimal no but are some guys good enough absolutely. I think subban will be one of those guys.
- mauryballstein

Other then Ellis, I think every D you named is 5'11" at least.

Edit spurgeon is 5'9" and a couple 5'10" Boyle listed at 5'11". Idk Im unsure.

Like 23
- VANTEL

yep

The price for Van included Horvat and the 23 at the very least.....can't see #3 coming our way.

Would you do Virtanen and the 23 for #3 and # 32 ?
- belcherbd

Maloney would deserved to be fired on the spot if he made that deal. I wouldn't trade #3 overall for Virtanen and 23 alone.

Other then Ellis, I think every D you named is 5'11" at least.
- manvanfan

RU vertically challenged?

Apparently the guy who startd the Lucic rumour isn't really an insider, he's famous for his OT guessing game contests on twitter but has never broken trades or signings. So him suggesting Lucic to Vancouver is the same as the guy sitting in the booth next to you in a bar saying it.


That being said, I would love to see Lucic and Miller on the same team



Lucic is a UFA next year, sign him then instead of trading Edler or Tanev for him.
- Alpha_Nuck

He didn't suggest it would happen (like an insider would) he merely guessed it would (like a fan would). And if you don't actually know who he is you might wanna do a quick Google search before suggesting that "he's famous for his OT guessing game contests on Twitter."

It would be doing the Canucks a great service if they ended up being linemates at the WJC.
- boonerbuck

Would be cool to see, although McCann is sort of a shoot-first center, that line would give me flashbacks of Kesler/Booth, in terms of lack of chemistry...not that I'm saying Virtanen will become Booth.

What evidence is there of this???
- KB3Point0

Kyle Dubas has long been one of the strongest supporters of analytics and was apparently a bit of a pioneer. There is a really good article when he was still the GM of SSM, talking about McCann but also analytics research.

Shanaban also told the rest of the league recently that to forward all trade discussions his way so it sounds like the Leafs trust him.

The one he signs is the one that counts. He can only say yes to one then the rest are void
- VANTEL

Ok, well let's say that there are multiple offer sheets with precisely the same monetary/term etc parameters. How would the ultimate recipient be determined? again, would it be a time-line issue or would it be the same way that the draft pick order is determined? or does none of that matter and it all depends on which offer sheet the player decides to sign? (even if the terms aren't as good as the other offers?)

RU vertically challenged?
- VanHockeyGuy

Lol if I admit to it, you going to admit to be mentally challenged?

Other then Ellis, I think every D you named is 5'11" at least.

Edit spurgeon is 5'9" and a couple 5'10" Boyle listed at 5'11". Idk Im unsure.
- manvanfan

Bieksa is listed at 6'1" and he doesn't look very big out there and can't clear the front of the net. At least Boyle looks wide.

Maloney would deserved to be fired on the spot if he made that deal. I wouldn't trade #3 overall for Virtanen and 23 alone.
- Alpha_Nuck

I agree that I don't think that it would get it done, but the apparently Horvat and 23 were what the nucks needed to give up. I wanted mostly to see if people here valued Virtanen over Horvat.

What evidence is there of this???
- KB3Point0

Kyle Dubas is apart of their front office staff, they fired Nonis who was never big on moneyball stats. Shanahan comes from that Yzerman/Holland tree of management. I know it's painful for those of you who hate Toronto, but it seems like they want to get away from the dinosaur way of management with guys like Burke/Nonis and go with a more methodical approach. If they select Marner then I'll really be convinced that they're going down that path.

For now I'm just speculating.

Ok, well let's say that there are multiple offer sheets with the same monetary parameters. How would the ultimate recipient be determined? again, would it be a time-line issue or would it be the same way that draft picks are determined? (i.e. standings at season's end)
- Zogg

The player chooses which offer sheet he wants to sign. Can't sign them all. Signs one. The team then has the opportunity to match it or accept the draft picks.

Lol if I admit to it, you going to admit to be mentally challenged?
- manvanfan

Perhaps at times (like now) So how tall? and don't lie! Lol

Like 23
- VANTEL

haha exactly! why we played the sedins against edmonton ill never know...