The buyout would be 2.33M for the next 6 years
- cap1681

Exactly. 2.33x6 = 13.98, 3.5x3=10.5. So CAR saves about 3.5 overall.

Only trades shpd be for picks... Don't Rutherford this up Rutherford!!😠

Get the affordable Ufa's and use the youth.. Need picks to stock pile wbs. Seeing how no one likes rust Wilson Megna etc
- nh4442

I like Rust and Wilson for the bottom 6. They add speed and skill, at almost no cost. Don't see why they wouldn't be there to start the season.

Adding Sharp won't either. And the acquisition costs are going to be much higher. The focus should be on sustainability- not burning everything to the ground for the next two seasons.
- jfkst1

I agree, I wouldn't be talking to anyone over 30. I thinking adding a guy like Sharp/Kessel/Semin keeps the team in the same spot next year as last, burns another yr of 87 and 71 prime and damages the future.

Fixing this team is going to be very difficult, I have reservations that JR can do it.

when you say they get semin off their books, that would be if they aren't retaining any of his salary. by retaining 3.5 million and taking on (by A LOT of penguins fans opinions) the inflated contract that Sutter has, as well as giving up a pick. Seems to be a very lopsided deal.
- nurk

Sutter has value - Pens fans may or may not like him, but many people around the league seem quite interested. Hi stats/age/name likely over compensate for any other issues people seem to have. He's a relatively young guy who just scored 21G as a 3rd line C...and not even at $4mil/yr. Heck the comparison is Soderberg who is older, about the same offense and has less NHL experience.

when you say they get semin off their books, that would be if they aren't retaining any of his salary. by retaining 3.5 million and taking on (by A LOT of penguins fans opinions) the inflated contract that Sutter has, as well as giving up a pick. Seems to be a very lopsided deal.
- nurk

The Canes have 3 options:

Do nothing and pay 21M over the next 3 years and get nothing

Buyout and pay 14M over the next 6 years and get nothing

Trade while retaining 50% salary and pay 10.5M over the next 3 years, plus get a player.

The Canes have 3 options:

Do nothing and pay 21M over the next 3 years and get nothing

Buyout and pay 14M over the next 6 years and get nothing

Trade while retaining 50% salary and pay 10.5M over the next 3 years, plus get a player.
- cap1681

Canes could retain less than 50% and/or take back bad contracts.

I agree, I wouldn't be talking to anyone over 30. I thinking adding a guy like Sharp/Kessel/Semin keeps the team in the same spot next year as last, burns another yr of 87 and 71 prime and damages the future.

Fixing this team is going to be very difficult, I have reservations that JR can do it.
- sammy87

The difference with Semin is how easy it would be to get him, and the high potential reward he could bring. Aside from injury concerns Semin has produced VERY well (take a look at his stats!). He has a fantastic shot and could really blossom playing with Malkin. My reason for trying to get him is because I think it's a relatively low cost with a very high reward potential...the other established guys (Kessel/etc) just cost way too much to acquire. At worst Semin maintains status quo, at best he could transform the second like...

The Canes have 3 options:

Do nothing and pay 21M over the next 3 years and get nothing

Buyout and pay 14M over the next 6 years and get nothing

Trade while retaining 50% salary and pay 10.5M over the next 3 years, plus get a player.
- cap1681

THATS IT FOLKS......NO OTHER OPTIONS.......THATS IT CAUSE CAP1681 SAID SO.......

NEWS BULLETIN TO ALL GMS OUT THERE.....THOSE ARE THE CANES ONLY # OPTIONS, SO IF THEIR GM TRIES TO OFFER ANYTHIN DIFFERENT DIRECT HIM TO PAGE 15 OF RY-DAWGS JUNE 22ND BLOG.

LEARN SOME TRADES YA CAROLINA GMer-GUY

Canes could retain less than 50% and/or take back bad contracts.
- jfkst1

NOPE.....THAT WASN'T ONE OF THE THREE OPTIONS.

Kadri has been on the out a for years..they r going to let him walk or pay him a poopty contract. Let's give the spaling. A player who when used efficiency can be like a switch blade.. All 4 lines apparently.. And still you don't think that type of player.can help them
- nh4442

Maybe the numbnut Toronto fan who challenged my comment that Toronto has wanted to trade Kadri for the last two years should come back and read your comment. Fact is, they have wanted to rid themselves of him, but at least one ML fan thinks otherwise despite ongoing rumors.

The difference with Semin is how easy it would be to get him, and the high potential reward he could bring. Aside from injury concerns Semin has produced VERY well (take a look at his stats!). He has a fantastic shot and could really blossom playing with Malkin. My reason for trying to get him is because I think it's a relatively low cost with a very high reward potential...the other established guys (Kessel/etc) just cost way too much to acquire. At worst Semin maintains status quo, at best he could transform the second like...
- mventres

19 points in 57 games this year sure is very productive. I looked at his stats and they aren't that impressive recently. He would be a major headache here. His work ethic, or lack there of isn't what is needed.

THATS IT FOLKS......NO OTHER OPTIONS.......THATS IT CAUSE CAP1681 SAID SO.......

NEWS BULLETIN TO ALL GMS OUT THERE.....THOSE ARE THE CANES ONLY # OPTIONS, SO IF THEIR GM TRIES TO OFFER ANYTHIN DIFFERENT DIRECT HIM TO PAGE 15 OF RY-DAWGS JUNE 22ND BLOG.

LEARN SOME TRADES YA CAROLINA GMer-GUY
- nurk

I wish you were funny

NOPE.....THAT WASN'T ONE OF THE THREE OPTIONS.
- nurk

Paying out less than 50% is of course an option, but not taking on bad contracts - the whole point of dealing Semin is to get rid of bad contracts, not bring more in.

19 points in 50 + games this year sure is very productive.
- Oneonta Penguin

That was just this year...CAR as a whole sucked. Staal only hit 54pts in 77games...look at previous years to get a full picture.

Main issue with Semin is whether he can stay healthy...that's the risk imo.

Tlusty > Beleskey. Anaheim will let him go UFA apparently and no way should we be in a bidding war for an average 3rd liner

It doesn't kill the team's future, but adding Semin doesn't put this team past the 2nd round or ahead of anyone else in the conference.
- sammy87

If he gets back to being a 25 goal scorer it does, at least as much as anyone other than Kessel who would cost a ton more.

Don't forget, the Pens problem this year was scoring goals, not preventing them. We had a top 10 defense all year and all our playoff losses were 2-1 with our top PP unit and second line combining for zero goals.

This team doesn't just need a couple well rounded guys to play with Malkin, they need a goal scorer.

That was just this year...CAR as a whole sucked. Staal only hit 54pts in 77games...look at previous years to get a full picture.
- mventres

He played quite a few games with Staal and Staal at the end of the season and didn't produce. It's not like Staal and Staal are Adams and Goc. When a guy makes $7 million per, he should bust his ass regardless of how the team is doing. He didn't. He essentially stole money from Carolina.

You fail to realize the negatives on Semin and there are quite a few. Do some reading and you will get the full picture.

Spare me with the only issue is health. He has a much larger issue that the rest of the league knows about.


Let me ask you why Washington went year to year with Semin and didn't sign him to a long term contract. I will wait for your answer.

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He played quite a few games with Staal and Staal at the end of the season and didn't produce. It's not like Staal and Staal are Adams and Goc. When a guy makes $7 million per, he should bust his ass regardless of how the team is doing. He didn't. He essentially stole money from Carolina.

You fail to realize the negatives on Semin and there are quite a few. Do some reading and you will get the full picture.


Let me ask you why Washington went year to year with Semin and didn't sign him to a long term contract. I will wait for your answer.
- Oneonta Penguin

I think the risk on Semin is worth it, that's my perspective. Any other player who can slot in as a top 6 will cost way too much for PIT. Semin at 3.5/yr (and a 2nd/3rd rnd pick) for Sutter seems very reasonable to me.

I don't quite care how WASH made their decisions. I'm looking to the future. PIT needs guys who can play top 6...nobody argues Semin's skill...dude is slick and a top talent. Injuries/lack of desire to play D/sometimes lazy are the concern...but why not take the risk, is my question...

If he gets back to being a 25 goal scorer it does, at least as much as anyone other than Kessel who would cost a ton more.

Don't forget, the Pens problem this year was scoring goals, not preventing them. We had a top 10 defense all year and all our playoff losses were 2-1 with our top PP unit and second line combining for zero goals.

This team doesn't just need a couple well rounded guys to play with Malkin, they need a goal scorer.
- Tojo.

I think the problems are far deeper. They had a decent D, but they are losing 1/3 of it and replacing it with unproven rookies. Pens need 2 top 6 players and an entire 3rd line.....Good luck JR!

Pittsburgh just doesn't have the young talent to offer for Kessel. But would be amazing on that team.

And yes, that asking price for Sharpe is ridiculous.

I think the risk on Semin is worth it, that's my perspective. Any other player who can slot in as a top 6 will cost way too much for PIT. Semin at 3.5/yr (and a 2nd/3rd rnd pick) for Sutter seems very reasonable to me.

I don't quite care how WASH made their decisions. I'm looking to the future. PIT needs guys who can play top 6...nobody argues Semin's skill...dude is slick and a top talent. Injuries/lack of desire to play D/sometimes lazy are the concern...but why not take the risk, is my question...
- mventres

THE HURRICANES WOULD NOT MAKE THIS DEAL.....MAYBE TRY OFFERING SUTTER FOR STAMKOS NEXT.

I'm not sure if Toronto is interested in trading JVR but it sounds like they are starting over, if I was calling Toronto I'd ask about him before kessel.

THATS IT FOLKS......NO OTHER OPTIONS.......THATS IT CAUSE CAP1681 SAID SO.......

NEWS BULLETIN TO ALL GMS OUT THERE.....THOSE ARE THE CANES ONLY # OPTIONS, SO IF THEIR GM TRIES TO OFFER ANYTHIN DIFFERENT DIRECT HIM TO PAGE 15 OF RY-DAWGS JUNE 22ND BLOG.

LEARN SOME TRADES YA CAROLINA GMer-GUY
- nurk

Well then, Mr all knowing, what does a 7M player who doesn't produce get you in trade value? Can't wait to hear this....

THE HURRICANES WOULD NOT MAKE THIS DEAL.....MAYBE TRY OFFERING SUTTER FOR STAMKOS NEXT.
- nurk

We;ll have to see what happens...what do you think Semin fetches them? He's on the books for $7mil/yr for 3 years. A buyout costs CAR about $14mil over 6 years.