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Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 19 @ 9:57 PM ET
Good to know thx.

I caught The Wall live in concert a few years back and it was one of the best shows I have ever seen. I managed to get a free club seat from a buddy and if I had known it was going to be that good I would have paid full price X2.

When Waters started the intro to 'Mother'...there was not a dry eye in the house. It was an incredible thing to witness the music having that much impact on 20,000 strong.

- LordHumungous


Sounds like an intense show. You definitely lucked out in getting some great seats and to witness the classic that the Wall is. I can't wait to see the flick when it opens after the summer(?). I'm a huge huge fan of Floyd (and well written/played music in general of course - I saw Quadrophenia here in Vancouver a while back and it was another brilliant concept piece, although I digress). However, I never had an opportunity to see original Floyd with Waters, so hopefully the movie will live up to the extremely high standards set by the musical compositions
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 19 @ 10:12 PM ET
Aquilini does not want 2 home games.

One thing that gets forgotten in this place is the true competitive nature of professional sports. Not many people who make it into the uper echelons on competitive sports teams are willing to purposefully lose. EVER.

This whole notion of tanking is f*cking disgusting.

- KB3Point0


A-fecking-men
Gullzy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.07.2013

Jun 19 @ 10:14 PM ET
A-fecking-men
- Zogg


Yep.
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jun 19 @ 10:16 PM ET
So what's the asking price for Markstromm?

Just so save us some time, significantly less than Draisaitl and the 33rd, I hope.

- HonkyTonkMan

3 rounder. He's probably not the goalie that is going to drag you out of the basement.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 19 @ 10:27 PM ET
Aquilini does not want 2 home games.

One thing that gets forgotten in this place is the true competitive nature of professional sports. Not many people who make it into the uper echelons on competitive sports teams are willing to purposefully lose. EVER.

This whole notion of tanking is f*cking disgusting.

- KB3Point0

He may want more than 2 home games but this team wont be able to get him more than 2.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 10:29 PM ET
What's going to hurt Crawford is that contract. I thought it was too much the day he signed it. He had to know that when Kane and Toews signed their deals it would put his job at risk.

If I had to choose between keeping my D Tandem of Keith and Seabs together or keeping Crow it's an easy choice.

Darling has been damn good in the games he's been in if not outstanding, but even if he was GREAT he wouldn't get credit for it anyway.

Between Darling and Raanta they will be fine-- And save alot of money.

Who knows what they will do. I think they start with Sharp and Bickell and go from there. If they find a way to keep Crow that tells you all you need to know about what Bowman thinks of him... Even if everyone else thinks he's Osgood 2.0

- rugdnit


Raanta was awful this year. Tough to go from Cup winners to Darling as your #1
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 10:32 PM ET
I said he is good or decent. He is not a top 10 in the world . He is probably somewhere in the 10-20 range . His numbers are inflated because of team in front of him having the puck most of the time. If he was truely an elite goalie Chicago would not have him on the block. Even in the playoffs Chicago started to try to switch to Darling but he crapped the bed too.

Crawford is a decent goalie with a bad contract

- VANTEL


If he's top 10-20 he's only mildly overpaid. Of course, 2 Cups probably mean he's fairly paid. It's the same with the vast majority of players though, we'd like them cheaper, but they're probably making market value. It isn't just us Canucks fans who think we're overpaying gus!
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 10:34 PM ET
Understood.

I said it in the other thread--

WIN = Everybody played great!

LOSS= Man our goalie sucks.

- rugdnit



Unless you're Corey Crawford who wins 2 f*cking Cups and people still think he sucks and is overpaid.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 10:36 PM ET
Price
Rinne
Quick
Lunqvist
Rask
Schneider
Bobrosky
Luongo

I guess I rank him as 9 th . I take it back , but I am not convinced he is better than Fluery Bishop . I think this is where the team in front of him is better

- VANTEL


Playoff Crawford >>>> Playoff Fleury
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 10:39 PM ET
So what's the asking price for Markstromm?

Just so save us some time, significantly less than Draisaitl and the 33rd, I hope.

- HonkyTonkMan


You can keep the 33rd.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 10:46 PM ET
He may want more than 2 home games but this team wont be able to get him more than 2.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Aquilini wants to win. First of all, he is not accustomed to not winning. He likes winning. It's his nature. He's a billionaire.

Also, the more the Canucks win the more money he makes. Fans who think all he cares about is getting a couple home playoff games need to think about what that really matters to him. What's a few extra million in the grand scheme of things to a billionaire? Another Cup run, or even better a Cup victory, are worth so much more to him financially that the thought that all he really wants is a couple extra playoff games every year is just so Botchford.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 19 @ 10:47 PM ET
Good to know thx.

I caught The Wall live in concert a few years back and it was one of the best shows I have ever seen. I managed to get a free club seat from a buddy and if I had known it was going to be that good I would have paid full price X2.

When Waters started the intro to 'Mother'...there was not a dry eye in the house. It was an incredible thing to witness the music having that much impact on 20,000 strong.

- LordHumungous

Yeah I'm a huge fan as well, I saw it twice, once at GM place (12th row) and again at BC place (1st row). I've seen his last 3 tours twice, Dark Side Of The Moon in Seattle 2006 10th row at Keyarena and Van 2007 7th row and In The Flesh in Tor in 1999 and The Gorge in 2000. I have posters from all 3 tours framed with the dual tickets. My buddy is getting our tickets for the movie tomorrow. We've been waiting for years hoping that there would be a DVD of the Dark Side tour because we saw them filming at both shows but it's been almost 9 years.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 19 @ 10:48 PM ET
Unless you're Corey Crawford who wins 2 f*cking Cups and people still think he sucks and is overpaid.
- KB3Point0


Just goes to show you that, no matter what a player like Crawford does, it's never going to be good enough. I think at this point, after having won two cups, there shouldn't be any debate as to the quality of his play. Contrary to what most people think, even though Chicago has a great defense, they would still not win if Crawford wasn't sharp and battled through many of the very close playoff match-ups. Perhaps he's not the sexiest pick as concerns goaltenders and he may not be as acrobatic or flashy as others, but he's right up there in the top tier level of net minders nonetheless. He just gets the job done and that's the most important thing. All else is irrelevant.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 19 @ 10:49 PM ET
Aquilini wants to win. First of all, he is not accustomed to not winning. He likes winning. It's his nature. He's a billionaire.

Also, the more the Canucks win the more money he makes. Fans who think all he cares about is getting a couple home playoff games need to think about what that really matters to him. What's a few extra million in the grand scheme of things to a billionaire? Another Cup run, or even better a Cup victory, are worth so much more to him financially that the thought that all he really wants is a couple extra playoff games every year is just so Botchford.

- KB3Point0

Do you seriously think Aquilini thinks this is a contending team?
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 19 @ 10:50 PM ET
Yeah I'm a huge fan as well, I saw it twice, once at GM place (12th row) and again at BC place (1st row). I've seen his last 3 tours twice, Dark Side Of The Moon in Seattle 2006 10th row at Keyarena and Van 2007 7th row and In The Flesh in Tor in 1999 and The Gorge in 2000. I have posters from all 3 tours framed with the dual tickets. My buddy is getting our tickets for the movie tomorrow. We'ave been waiting for years hoping that there would be a DVD of the Dark Side tour because we saw them filming at both shows but it's been almost 9 years.
- A_SteamingLombardi


You lucky bastid!! In a word - awesome.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 19 @ 11:11 PM ET
Do you seriously think Aquilini thinks this is a contending team?
- A_SteamingLombardi


I don't really think that's an issue. For Aquillini any sort of post-season success is just that - success. It doesn't matter if he thinks the team is truly a contender or not, the ultimate goal will always be to achieve play-off revenue and the market exposure that comes with that. Hence, my belief that the Canucks will unlikely ever be in full rebuild mode as has been the case with other franchises. He knows we have a rabid fan-base which allows him leeway in terms of the type of managerial philosophy he espouses. And that philosophy is to win now at all costs, despite the fact it might not be the most prudent way to run things from a pure hockey perspective - or even if that's not always feasible with having the roster to achieve that. It would be very interesting to be a fly on a wall in meetings between him and the managerial group, to see precisely what sort of prevailing attitude exists, both in terms of the short and long run.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 11:13 PM ET
Do you seriously think Aquilini thinks this is a contending team?
- A_SteamingLombardi


Never said anything like that.
monsmaark
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whitby, ON
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jun 19 @ 11:14 PM ET
I think the Canucks would be foolish to trade Lack. He is much better than Markstrom and is a fan favourite.

I'm not sure why the Canucks signed Cannata to a new contract, other than to potentially back up Eriksson in Utica. Cannata had a pretty good year between the ECHL and AHL, but his previous years have been mediocre. As for Eriksson, he was in Markstrom's shadow this year, but definitely played well and has earned his chance to start for the Comets.

I think the Canucks should definitely trade Markstrom. One potential trade could be Markstrom and the 23rd overall pick to Edmonton for the 16th overall pick (a prospect goalie to Edmonton to move up 7 picks is very reasonable for both sides). Besides, the Canucks are reportedly shopping around for a 2nd round pick. A top 16 first round pick is better than 23rd and a 2nd round pick (Oilers 57th overall). The difference in that 1st round pick is the chance for the Canucks to draft Konecny, Connor, Merkley, or Bittner instead of Zboril, Chabot, Harkins, or Boeser. You may be wondering how Edmonton makes out in this. They draft McDavid, obtain Markstrom, then draft 23, 33, 57, 79, 117, 124, 154, and 184. That's incredible #s of drafting for the Oilers.

As for Conacher, I think the Canucks should have pursued a contract with him. He would be inexpensive tertiary scoring.

Thoughts?
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 11:19 PM ET
I don't really think that's an issue. For Aquillini any sort of post-season success is just that - success. It doesn't matter if he thinks the team is truly a contender or not, the ultimate goal will always be to achieve play-off revenue and the market exposure that comes with that. Hence, my belief that the Canucks will unlikely ever be in full rebuild mode as has been the case with other franchises. He knows we have a rabid fan-base which allows him leeway in terms of the type of managerial philosophy he espouses. And that philosophy is to win now at all costs, despite the fact it might not be the most prudent way to run things from a pure hockey perspective - or even if that's not always feasible with having the roster to achieve that. It would be very interesting to be a fly on a wall in meetings between him and the managerial group, to see precisely what sort of prevailing attitude exists, both in terms of the short and long run.
- Zogg


I don't think it's about playoff revenue from 2-3 games. That's nice, but the long game is so much better and more profitable.

Funny how when he lets his hockey guys make the decisions it's him just wanting the money. But when he sits in on meetings with Gillis it's cause he interferes and we'll never win with an owner who won't let the hockey guys make the calls.

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 11:25 PM ET
I think the Canucks would be foolish to trade Lack. He is much better than Markstrom and is a fan favourite.

I'm not sure why the Canucks signed Cannata to a new contract, other than to potentially back up Eriksson in Utica. Cannata had a pretty good year between the ECHL and AHL, but his previous years have been mediocre. As for Eriksson, he was in Markstrom's shadow this year, but definitely played well and has earned his chance to start for the Comets.

I think the Canucks should definitely trade Markstrom. One potential trade could be Markstrom and the 23rd overall pick to Edmonton for the 16th overall pick (a prospect goalie to Edmonton to move up 7 picks is very reasonable for both sides). Besides, the Canucks are reportedly shopping around for a 2nd round pick. A top 16 first round pick is better than 23rd and a 2nd round pick (Oilers 57th overall). The difference in that 1st round pick is the chance for the Canucks to draft Konecny, Connor, Merkley, or Bittner instead of Zboril, Chabot, Harkins, or Boeser. You may be wondering how Edmonton makes out in this. They draft McDavid, obtain Markstrom, then draft 23, 33, 57, 79, 117, 124, 154, and 184. That's incredible #s of drafting for the Oilers.

As for Conacher, I think the Canucks should have pursued a contract with him. He would be inexpensive tertiary scoring.

Thoughts?

- monsmaark


http://www.thehockeynews....g-when-he-was-growing-up/
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Jun 19 @ 11:25 PM ET
I think the Canucks would be foolish to trade Lack. He is much better than Markstrom and is a fan favourite.

I'm not sure why the Canucks signed Cannata to a new contract, other than to potentially back up Eriksson in Utica. Cannata had a pretty good year between the ECHL and AHL, but his previous years have been mediocre. As for Eriksson, he was in Markstrom's shadow this year, but definitely played well and has earned his chance to start for the Comets.

I think the Canucks should definitely trade Markstrom. One potential trade could be Markstrom and the 23rd overall pick to Edmonton for the 16th overall pick (a prospect goalie to Edmonton to move up 7 picks is very reasonable for both sides). Besides, the Canucks are reportedly shopping around for a 2nd round pick. A top 16 first round pick is better than 23rd and a 2nd round pick (Oilers 57th overall). The difference in that 1st round pick is the chance for the Canucks to draft Konecny, Connor, Merkley, or Bittner instead of Zboril, Chabot, Harkins, or Boeser. You may be wondering how Edmonton makes out in this. They draft McDavid, obtain Markstrom, then draft 23, 33, 57, 79, 117, 124, 154, and 184. That's incredible #s of drafting for the Oilers.

As for Conacher, I think the Canucks should have pursued a contract with him. He would be inexpensive tertiary scoring.

Thoughts?

- monsmaark


Trade Lack cause he'll net more than Markstrom. Get as much as possible. Doubt a move from 23 to 16 though. As far as him being a fan favourite, couldn't care less. Make the best hockey move possible and DO NOT LISTEN TO THE FANS!

Caanata is only there to play in the AHL. We need to ice a team there too.

Conacher sucks.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 19 @ 11:36 PM ET
You lucky bastid!! In a word - awesome.
- Zogg

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artem791
Colorado Avalanche
Location: saint catharines, ON
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jun 19 @ 11:54 PM ET
Price
Rinne
Quick
Lunqvist
Rask
Schneider
Bobrosky
Luongo

I guess I rank him as 9 th . I take it back , but I am not convinced he is better than Fluery Bishop . I think this is where the team in front of him is better

- VANTEL


Varlamov ?


Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 20 @ 12:45 AM ET
A-fecking-men
- Zogg

rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 20 @ 1:58 AM ET
Just goes to show you that, no matter what a player like Crawford does, it's never going to be good enough. I think at this point, after having won two cups, there shouldn't be any debate as to the quality of his play. Contrary to what most people think, even though Chicago has a great defense, they would still not win if Crawford wasn't sharp and battled through many of the very close playoff match-ups. Perhaps he's not the sexiest pick as concerns goaltenders and he may not be as acrobatic or flashy as others, but he's right up there in the top tier level of net minders nonetheless. He just gets the job done and that's the most important thing. All else is irrelevant.
- Zogg


Well said. THANK YOU!
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