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WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Jun 19 @ 6:18 PM ET
I do believe a trade will happen but in the event that it doesn't JB tells Markstrom you need to wait until the market changes . He is only RFA
- VANTEL


If a team gives him an offer sheet in the $1.2-$1.8m range, do you match or take the 3rd rounder?

EDIT: I guess worse would be an offer sheet of <$1.2m for zero compensation but meaning you cant trade him for a year, forcing them to look at offers for Lack regardless if they are fair value or not
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 6:20 PM ET
If a team gives him an offer sheet in the $1.2-$1.8m range, do you match or take the 3rd rounder?
- WhiteLie

Take the pick
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 6:24 PM ET
If a team gives him an offer sheet in the $1.2-$1.8m range, do you match or take the 3rd rounder?

EDIT: I guess worse would be an offer sheet of <$1.2m for zero compensation but meaning you cant trade him for a year, forcing them to look at offers for Lack regardless if they are fair value or not

- WhiteLie

Then you have a great deal for multiple years and you match
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 19 @ 6:24 PM ET
If a team gives him an offer sheet in the $1.2-$1.8m range, do you match or take the 3rd rounder?

EDIT: I guess worse would be an offer sheet of <$1.2m for zero compensation but meaning you cant trade him for a year, forcing them to look at offers for Lack regardless if they are fair value or not

- WhiteLie


I think he needs to be offered 1.4 minimum and that would apply to offer sheets I would assume.

but if anyone offersheets him, you take the pick(s), he won't fetch a 3rd IMO.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 6:32 PM ET
So Stamkos to the Leafs eh?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 19 @ 6:32 PM ET
I think he needs to be offered 1.4 minimum and that would apply to offer sheets I would assume.

but if anyone offersheets him, you take the pick(s), he won't fetch a 3rd IMO.

- belcherbd

This
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 19 @ 6:36 PM ET
So Stamkos to the Leafs eh?
- VANTEL


Can't see it. Yzerman will get this done.
sdoney
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 11.03.2009

Jun 19 @ 6:37 PM ET
Crawford is not a great goalie. He is decent. Look at the D in front of him. If someone trades for him they are crazy
- VANTEL


I agree 100% , Crawford is overrated playing in front of a stacked D

I was reading an Edmonton blog and one the Blackhawk fans suggested the 16th pick and Draisaitl for Crawford
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 6:41 PM ET
I agree 100% , Crawford is overrated playing in front of a stacked D

I was reading an Edmonton blog and one the Blackhawk fans suggested the 16th pick and Draisaitl for Crawford

- sdoney

They want a first a roster player and a prospect for sharp.

I would give them Higgins and they would need to keep 2 mil salary
AlexF
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whistler, BC
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 19 @ 6:42 PM ET
They want a first a roster player and a prospect for sharp.

I would give them Higgins and they would need to keep 2 mil salary

- VANTEL


docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jun 19 @ 6:45 PM ET
I wonder if the perception of Vancouver is they are easy trading partners for goalies. This is the second or third goalie circus in recent memory, and all goalies dealt were sold for pennys on the dollar after a long waiting period. Maybe teams are kicking tires on others knowing if they wait long enough, Vancouver will cave to avoid more goalie issues?


How is this a circus? Pretty different situation than the the Luongo/Schneider fiasco.The only thing that really complicates things is that Markstrom has to clear waivers next year so one goalie has to go.
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jun 19 @ 6:51 PM ET
JJ is talking about Bickell being bought out, any interest here acquiring him on the cheap or signing him if he is indeed bought out?

Would you move Bickell for Higgins?
Would have to make the additional 1.5 million work.....

We take on some salary but get a physical player with a bit of scoring touch?

Wouldn't Bickell's contract be void if he was bought out?
docmorgan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: stall, Crosby, perry Giroux, T, BC
Joined: 01.06.2011

Jun 19 @ 7:07 PM ET
So Stamkos to the Leafs eh?
- VANTEL

You know he wants to go there - who doesn't.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 19 @ 7:07 PM ET
Wouldn't Bickell's contract be void if he was bought out?
- docmorgan


I was saying either or, if bought out, any interest in signing him.

or

try to acquire him for someone like Higgins
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 19 @ 7:11 PM ET
Rangers don't need to move Talbot
- VANTEL


There is no way they leave themselves exposed with only Skapski.

They want to see what they can get since he has some great numbers.

Like we all know-- How much of that is due to the team in front of him?

As a GM if you have a goalie with great numbers-- Of course you want to see what you can get for him.

rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 19 @ 7:13 PM ET
My honest opinion is people are panicking before the draft because no one has made a move this year yet.

I expect heavy trading over the next month and soon as the first piece falls the gates will open

- VANTEL



Mike Tyson-- Sure ... Everybody has a plan... Until the first punch is landed.
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jun 19 @ 7:15 PM ET
CHI should get Craig Anderson.
- AlexF


They have Darling to take over if Crawford is moved.
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 19 @ 7:18 PM ET
Crawford is not a great goalie. He is decent. Look at the D in front of him. If someone trades for him they are crazy
- VANTEL



I hear that all the time about Crow and don't think it's entirely fair. He's much better than people give him credit for.

Is he GREAT? I think he's a top 10 goalie in this league.

Saying he's not great kind of implies that Chicago could win a cup with anybody and that is simply not the case.

There are plenty of times Crawford has had to battle or stay mentally strong. That's something that many damn good goalies struggle with.

So he's not " Great " but he's better than " Damn Good "

That's a helluva' place to be don't you think?

Patrick Kanes comments about Crow after they beat Boston in the Finals said all you need to know about the guy.
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jun 19 @ 7:20 PM ET
I agree 100% , Crawford is overrated playing in front of a stacked D

I was reading an Edmonton blog and one the Blackhawk fans suggested the 16th pick and Draisaitl for Crawford

- sdoney


I'd out Crawford in the top 1/3 in the league. He'd be top 5 if he didn't have his glaringly bad outings, but he's perhaps the most consitant goalie in the league. He didn't look great against Nashville, but played really well in the OT games against TB, and the final two games. The only reason Chicago considers moving him is for cap purposes.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 7:20 PM ET
Wouldn't Bickell's contract be void if he was bought out?
- docmorgan

Yes.
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Jun 19 @ 7:22 PM ET
I hear that all the time about Crow and don't think it's entirely fair. He's much better than people give him credit for.

Is he GREAT? I think he's a top 10 goalie in this league.

Saying he's not great kind of implies that Chicago could win a cup with anybody and that is simply not the case.

There are plenty of times Crawford has had to battle or stay mentally strong. That's something that many damn good goalies struggle with.

So he's not " Great " but he's better than " Damn Good "

That's a helluva' place to be don't you think?

Patrick Kanes comments about Crow after they beat Boston in the Finals said all you need to know about the guy.

- rugdnit


He doesn't get the love because he's not athletic like Price or Quick. He has the occasional really bad game and people assume that his great games are a result of the d.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 7:23 PM ET
There is no way they leave themselves exposed with only Skapski.

They want to see what they can get since he has some great numbers.

Like we all know-- How much of that is due to the team in front of him?

As a GM if you have a goalie with great numbers-- Of course you want to see what you can get for him.

- rugdnit


There is so much posturing going on right now. Lack will be traded next week. Likely teams EDm Buff SJ Carolina Fla St.L
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 19 @ 7:24 PM ET
They have Darling to take over if Crawford is moved.
- Canuckleafer



What's going to hurt Crawford is that contract. I thought it was too much the day he signed it. He had to know that when Kane and Toews signed their deals it would put his job at risk.

If I had to choose between keeping my D Tandem of Keith and Seabs together or keeping Crow it's an easy choice.

Darling has been damn good in the games he's been in if not outstanding, but even if he was GREAT he wouldn't get credit for it anyway.

Between Darling and Raanta they will be fine-- And save alot of money.

Who knows what they will do. I think they start with Sharp and Bickell and go from there. If they find a way to keep Crow that tells you all you need to know about what Bowman thinks of him... Even if everyone else thinks he's Osgood 2.0

rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Jun 19 @ 7:28 PM ET
There is so much posturing going on right now. Lack will be traded next week. Likely teams EDm Buff SJ Carolina Fla St.L
- VANTEL


Exactly. All posturing.

Everybody is listening to what people are saying.

Sometimes you have to listen to what guys ARE NOT saying and fill in the blanks as well.

I think Eddie is great and love his demeanor. Sucks that he is likely gone. That's the side of the business I hate. I think many of us will wish him well. He could definitely be one of those guys that comes back to haunt us.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 19 @ 7:29 PM ET
I hear that all the time about Crow and don't think it's entirely fair. He's much better than people give him credit for.

Is he GREAT? I think he's a top 10 goalie in this league.

Saying he's not great kind of implies that Chicago could win a cup with anybody and that is simply not the case.

There are plenty of times Crawford has had to battle or stay mentally strong. That's something that many damn good goalies struggle with.

So he's not " Great " but he's better than " Damn Good "

That's a helluva' place to be don't you think?



Patrick Kanes comments about Crow after they beat Boston in the Finals said all you need to know about the guy.

- rugdnit


I said he is good or decent. He is not a top 10 in the world . He is probably somewhere in the 10-20 range . His numbers are inflated because of team in front of him having the puck most of the time. If he was truely an elite goalie Chicago would not have him on the block. Even in the playoffs Chicago started to try to switch to Darling but he crapped the bed too.

Crawford is a decent goalie with a bad contract
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