the flyers do not need vinnys cap space right now as they are not contending. same with umberger. No way do you buy them out and have that cap hit 3 years from now when you hope they are contending. actually might help them as they don't have the $ to overpay anyone.....

if he has to sit in the press box so be it. I do not believe it will be distraction or anything of that nature. if it does you deal with it. Flyers hold all the cards imo and can just let him rot really.
- rinaldo

Does he have to physically sit in the press box? I mean can the flyers just tell him to stay home?

He could have gone on LTIR... he just walked away from the cash.
- Tomahawk

Could he have? Seems he was able to get game ready with some effort which says to me that LTIR wasn't an option.

And if he could have, why didn't he? Pressure from management?

Does he have to physically sit in the press box? I mean can the flyers just tell him to stay home?
- Just5

not sure...I guess they could tell him that is my guess.....

Does he have to physically sit in the press box? I mean can the flyers just tell him to stay home?
- Just5

Habs did with Gomez, but the situation was a little different.

the flyers do not need vinnys cap space right now as they are not contending. same with umberger. No way do you buy them out and have that cap hit 3 years from now when you hope they are contending. actually might help them as they don't have the $ to overpay anyone.....

if he has to sit in the press box so be it. I do not believe it will be distraction or anything of that nature. if it does you deal with it. Flyers hold all the cards imo and can just let him rot really.
- rinaldo

we have Voracek, Couturier, BSchenn, and Raffl to extend next offseason, while still filling out the roster. Even if we're not contending, they have to be mindful of the cap.

That said, I'm all for waiting until next offseason if we must buy Vinny out.

we have Voracek, Couturier, BSchenn, and Raffl to extend next offseason, while still filling out the roster. Even if we're not contending, they have to be mindful of the cap.

That said, I'm all for waiting until next offseason if we must buy Vinny out.
- BulliesPhan87

no kidding they have to be mindful of the cap. that's why i don't buy anyone out and have dead space.

What makes you think they will extend all those guys? if they miss the playoffs again I don't want all 4 of them back.

they have other ways to trim $ off the roster.

Could he have? Seems he was able to get game ready with some effort which says to me that LTIR wasn't an option.

And if he could have, why didn't he? Pressure from management?
- Scoob

Well, TECHNICALLY, Pronger could play. Sure, he'd be vomiting all over the place and might die from the first hard check he gives/receives. But he's physically able to put on equipment and go out onto the ice and wander around a bit. So how is he allowed to be on LTIR?

Could he have? Seems he was able to get game ready with some effort which says to me that LTIR wasn't an option.

And if he could have, why didn't he? Pressure from management?
- Scoob

If the guy can't walk off the ice, they probably wouldn't have had much trouble finding a doctor declaring him unfit to dress.

(come to think of it, probably a good % of players would fail a full physical if given in the spring/po's... some older players probably would fail in camp, lol)

Maybe the idea of sitting around and cashing checks ran afoul of his personal principles? You have to imagine there were no shortage of people around him advising him to take the $.

no kidding they have to be mindful of the cap. that's why i don't buy anyone out and have dead space.

What makes you think they will extend all those guys? if they miss the playoffs again I don't want all 4 of them back.

they have other ways to trim $ off the roster.
- rinaldo

ok

the flyers do not need vinnys cap space right now as they are not contending. same with umberger. No way do you buy them out and have that cap hit 3 years from now when you hope they are contending. actually might help them as they don't have the $ to overpay anyone.....

if he has to sit in the press box so be it. I do not believe it will be distraction or anything of that nature. if it does you deal with it. Flyers hold all the cards imo and can just let him rot really.
- rinaldo

Right now I'm just hoping he gets a bit of a "change of scenery" under hakstol. Maybe we see a 15 goal 10a season. I'd be happy with that with him in the bottom 6.

Well, TECHNICALLY, Pronger could play. Sure, he'd be vomiting all over the place and might die from the first hard check he gives/receives. But he's physically able to put on equipment and go out onto the ice and wander around a bit. So how is he allowed to be on LTIR?
- jmatchett383

Has he been medically cleared to play?

Maybe the idea of sitting around and cashing checks ran afoul of his personal principles?
- Tomahawk

Both parties signed the contract (player and team). I don't think anyone should feel they are doing anything immoral or unprincipled by abiding by the contract terms.

Has he been medically cleared to play?
- Scoob

Me thinks not

Vinny hey?

Vinny hey?


- flyer_nutter

down down down in a burning ring of fire

wheels a flame

we have Voracek, Couturier, BSchenn, and Raffl to extend next offseason, while still filling out the roster. Even if we're not contending, they have to be mindful of the cap.

That said, I'm all for waiting until next offseason if we must buy Vinny out.
- BulliesPhan87

This is kind of the way I see it. I don't see any need to rush into this buyout, when we can pay him his bonus in July, Pray for a termination, and try to find a trade partner this offseason. If he is still on the roster next summer, then visit the idea of a buyout.

Both parties signed the contract (player and team). I don't think anyone should feel they are doing anything immoral or unprincipled by abiding by the contract terms.
- Scoob

Contract terms... You are right, of course, but do you think Vinny's performance the last two seasons is really living up to the contract? Is he anywhere near what the Flyers hoped to be getting from him?

Both parties signed the contract (player and team). I don't think anyone should feel they are doing anything immoral or unprincipled by abiding by the contract terms.
- Scoob

I think we kind of ran off into a tangent -- I thought the OP was asking if there was a precedent of a guy walking away from a huge sum of money voluntarily. I think the answer to that is yes.

Why Rafalski did it, I have no idea. We do know that it wasn't because he was tired of the game tho... he recently mounted a short-lived comeback attempt.

Contract terms... You are right, of course, but do you think Vinny's performance the last two seasons is really living up to the contract? I he anywhere near what the Flyers hoped to be getting from him?
- wolfhounds

I guess that depends on the terms of the contract, right?

Iirc, the Flyers fired the coach who was a big part of getting him to play for the Flyers in the first place, right?

I think we kind of ran off into a tangent -- I thought the OP was asking if there was a precedent of a guy walking away from a huge sum of money voluntarily. I think the answer to that is yes.
- Tomahawk

Yes, it is definitely yes.

Why Rafalski did it, I have no idea. We do know that it wasn't because he was tired of the game tho... he recently mounted a short-lived comeback attempt.

He did - which I didn't know until I Googled earlier today.

the flyers do not need vinnys cap space right now as they are not contending. same with umberger. No way do you buy them out and have that cap hit 3 years from now when you hope they are contending. actually might help them as they don't have the $ to overpay anyone.....

if he has to sit in the press box so be it. I do not believe it will be distraction or anything of that nature. if it does you deal with it. Flyers hold all the cards imo and can just let him rot really.
- rinaldo

Flyers need to re-sign guys like Voracek, Schenn & Couturier, Lecavalier's full cap hit could be an issue at that point

Flyers need to re-sign guys like Voracek, Schenn & Couturier, Lecavalier's full cap hit could be an issue at that point
- Jsaquella

Those 3 are absolute priorities in my eyes.

I think we kind of ran off into a tangent -- I thought the OP was asking if there was a precedent of a guy walking away from a huge sum of money voluntarily. I think the answer to that is yes.

Why Rafalski did it, I have no idea. We do know that it wasn't because he was tired of the game tho... he recently mounted a short-lived comeback attempt.
- Tomahawk

Apparently Tangentman missed his cue

I guess that depends on the terms of the contract, right?

Iirc, the Flyers fired the coach who was a big part of getting him to play for the Flyers in the first place, right?
- Scoob

No doubt. Flyers took a risk on an older player who had just been bought out and gave him a very healthy contract. And so far, they are getting burned on the deal. It would have been smart to laden the deal with performance incentives, but Vinny probably doesn't take that deal.

My only point with the last comment was, in no way, shape or form should Vinny feel his performance has lived up to the term and dollar amount of said contract.

Either way, I'm not too worried what happens with him this upcoming season, so much else is going on.

Could he have? Seems he was able to get game ready with some effort which says to me that LTIR wasn't an option.

And if he could have, why didn't he? Pressure from management?
- Scoob

A player with those kind of medical issues, would not have a problem obtaining LTIR status. He most likely was being shot up with pain killers to play.