I didn't say he could be LTIR. I asked if he could.




A sincere question since the article I read made it seem that since he was able to get on the ice with much treatments that maybe LTIR wasn't an option. I don't know the LTIR rules, so I asked the question.
- Scoob

Then I misread your intent, as it sounded to me like you were saying that being in horrible pain on an hourly basis doesn't make you "medically unfit to play." And I'm just stating that, if that's the case, then Pronger technically is able to play, being as he has all of his limbs and can sort of skate around with equipment and a stick.

You said you wanted to see more from all 3 of them (and yes, Schenn/Coots more than Jake). Those 2 I can understand, to a degree. But I was just curious what more you want to see of Jake.
- jmatchett383

do it again. or come very close to it.

you can understand those 2 to a degree? really to a degree. so what do you sign them for

Biggest elephant in the room will always be A Mac and his humongous contract
- Landsbergfan

"Quality defenseman"
"Misused"
"Shot blocks"

etc.

Then I misread your intent, as it sounded to me like you were saying that being in horrible pain on an hourly basis doesn't make you "medically unfit to play." And I'm just stating that, if that's the case, then Pronger technically is able to play, being as he has all of his limbs and can sort of skate around with equipment and a stick.
- jmatchett383

You did.

do it again. or come very close to it.

you can understand those 2 to a degree? really to a degree. so what do you sign them for
- rinaldo

If Schenn can keep pace on increasing his totals as he's done every year, probably $3-$3.5M on a 3-4 year deal. If Couturier can bounce back to his 11/12 or 13/14 season play, about the same. Whether or not Jake "does it again" he's been one of their 2 best players for the last 3 years, and has been one of the "elite" players of the league in 2 of them. I don't need to see more to know what he can do.

If Schenn can keep pace on increasing his totals as he's done every year, probably $3-$3.5M on a 3-4 year deal. If Couturier can bounce back to his 11/12 or 13/14 season play, about the same. Whether or not Jake "does it again" he's been one of their 2 best players for the last 3 years, and has been one of the "elite" players of the league in 2 of them. I don't need to see more to know what he can do.
- jmatchett383

if if if.....sure why not.....what would you sign them for if they have pretty much the same season as last year?

You did.
- Scoob

So, in a non-legal environment, do you think that being in horrible daily pain makes you any more or less fit to play than PCS in a strictly literal sense? To me, they're both cases where you would be called unfit to play, regardless of how the CBA determines it.

If Schenn can keep pace on increasing his totals as he's done every year, probably $3-$3.5M on a 3-4 year deal. If Couturier can bounce back to his 11/12 or 13/14 season play, about the same. Whether or not Jake "does it again" he's been one of their 2 best players for the last 3 years, and has been one of the "elite" players of the league in 2 of them. I don't need to see more to know what he can do.
- jmatchett383

Looking at deals across the league, Jake will get close to what Giroux makes. Hell Stamkos is probably going to be in the neighborhood of 11 million. Money for stars is just going up

if if if.....sure why not.....what would you sign them for if they have pretty much the same season as last year?
- rinaldo

You said you wanted to see more, and asked what I thought of them. I JUST TOLD YOU! If they have seasons similar to last year, then I would sign them for less. I'm being a wee bit positive and not counting of 2 of our better young players to stagnate or regress. My sincerest apologizes.

Looking at deals across the league, Jake will get close to what Giroux makes. Hell Stamkos is probably going to be in the neighborhood of 11 million. Money for stars is just going up
- J35Bacher

Unless he really falls off a cliff, he'll get $8M min.

Looking at deals across the league, Jake will get close to what Giroux makes. Hell Stamkos is probably going to be in the neighborhood of 11 million. Money for stars is just going up
- J35Bacher

Jake deserves it too. I think his contract will depend a lot on what he does this season. If he has another monster season, he might be in for a contract bigger than g's.

You said you wanted to see more, and asked what I thought of them. I JUST TOLD YOU! If they have seasons similar to last year, then I would sign them for less. I'm being a wee bit positive and not counting of 2 of our better young players to stagnate or regress. My sincerest apologizes.
- jmatchett383

you didn't tell me...you said if this and if that. you can be positive all you want. no where does it say those 2 have to improve. they may or they may not. no one ever wants to say they may regress, most assume they will get better.

so give a number and term? easy to say for less. what makes you think they will sign for less?

So, in a non-legal environment, do you think that being in horrible daily pain makes you any more or less fit to play than PCS in a strictly literal sense? To me, they're both cases where you would be called unfit to play, regardless of how the CBA determines it.
- jmatchett383

I guess so, yeah.

I'm still wondering why, if LTIR was an option, he just up and walked away from $6m.

Based on his comments, Lecavalier feels that he hasn't been used properly, and wasn't given a fair opportunity to perform and live up to his contract.
- MJL

I think that is probably true to an extent, but still a small part of his performance woes. If he is only getting it done in ideal situations with ideal linemates - an idea I believe you touched upon earlier - he's not being realistic about his declining skills.

I guess so.

I'm still wondering why, if LTIR was an option, he just up and walked away from $6m.
- Scoob

Yeah, that's baffling. Would it have impacted the team at all?

Yeah, that's baffling. Would it have impacted the team at all?
- wolfhounds

There are off-season cap implications but in-season I think the only implication is the real cash going out the door.

I guess so, yeah.

I'm still wondering why, if LTIR was an option, he just up and walked away from $6m.
- Scoob

I'm guessing that if he felt he had no intention of playing, then his own set of ethics stated he shouldn't take the money. That is just an opinion.

I think that is probably true to an extent, but still a small part of his performance woes. If he is only getting it done in ideal situations with ideal linemates - an idea I believe you touched upon earlier - he's not being realistic about his declining skills.
- wolfhounds

A case of beer for that

A case of beer for that
- Landsbergfan

I'll take a case of beer..... please?

"Quality defenseman"
"Misused"
"Shot blocks"

etc.
- jmatchett383

Darn Holmgren was right

Bill Meltzer: As Expected, No Buyout for Lecavalier
- bmeltzer

To me this is more of the same. If I'm Vinny, I'm not walking away from 2.5 million because who knows if he'll be offered anything close after termination regardless of what Tampa still owes him. Would you? I think playing hard ball but is unnecessary, especially from a team that isn't winning any time soon and complained of lack of leadership this past season. Work together and peacefully coexist. For me it's a problem of ego. Find a trade partner if you can but if you can't, at least try to find a hit. Vinny is no more an Angkor then our terrible defense and lack of depth up front. By the time he's gone Hextall should have righted the ship. I don't under the rush if you cannot move him. Unless we dramatically improve our play as a group, there is no rush.

And the guy actually thought he'd be good under Lavi's pressure, skating system... yeah, he's 100% delusional.
- Tomahawk

Completely lost -- I tried really hard to picture him in the lineup of a single playoff team who made it this year, and I don't think he would've cracked the lineup of a single one

I'm not even joking. He can't skate at the pace required for a scoring role or forecheck, can't kill penalties, and can't check quality offensive players. Hell, I don't even know if he could check sustained pressure from a third line

It's amazing to me that he thinks he can still play. I mean, seriously. I understand if he walks up to me and says, "I want the money."

I would totally understand that. I get that.

But if he walks up to me and says, "Yeah, I think I can still play in today's NHL," I would be astounded.

Athletes are always the last to know, and he DEFINITELY would be the last to know, if he thinks he can still play at the pace required today

I think that is probably true to an extent, but still a small part of his performance woes. If he is only getting it done in ideal situations with ideal linemates - an idea I believe you touched upon earlier - he's not being realistic about his declining skills.
- wolfhounds

Based on the player I saw last year, he probably isn't. That's not an uncommon thing though. I believe that if Lecavalier is placed in an ideal situation, with a coach who is willing to deal with the weaknesses in his game, I think he can contribute offensively, but not to the point where a good team would have interest, and is willing to use him in that manner. If Lecavalier hit free agency, I think he would be dealing with a pretty small market for his services.

AHLTraveler will be happy about the murray news
- Just5

Damn right!

Damn right!
- AHLTraveler

Buffalo hired themselves a strong assistant coach. Good luck to Murray. Glad to see him back in the NHL.