It also depends on who they take with their first pick. If it's someone that they feel is "NHL ready" that guy may end up on the 2nd unit. If not, and if they don't add anyone via free agency, I'd try:

1st unit
Giroux
MDZ
Jake
Raffl
Simmonds

2nd unit
Streit
Read
Couturier
Schenn
Simmonds-I'd doubleshift him like they used to do with Tim Kerr and replace late with White.

Yeah, I'm using 4 forwards on the 2nd unit, and I'd replace Read towards the end with a Dman. I just can't stand AMac on the PP and I don't know enough about Medvedev to able to say that he can fill that role.

edit: pretty much what you said, LOL
- BiggE

The Caps use Ovie for the whole PP. Why not try Giroux for the whole PP. I bet their success would increase.

Anyone else following the coyotes fiasco. They had lost 200 or 300 million when they were first up for auction. The owner said it didn't work out the way Mr bettman had told him

What are they now a total of a half billion or so in losses and the city of Glendale s suing to stop paying the yotes 15 mill to manage the arena.


Bettman farce failure at its worst
- Steelmanpa

That market is a disaster. They bleed money, which hurts the league in many ways, most painful for the Flyers it means a lower salary cap. The city they play in wants a better deal, because they're bleeding cash, too.

Poorly planned, poorly executed situation where nobody is happy and the team, league and commish look like idiots

Marner, Mitchell
RW - London Knights (OHL) 5'11" 164
HockeyProspect.com Ranking: 3
Marner is a player who has impressed us ever since our first viewing of him with the Don Mills Flyers.

Hmm destiny??

Anyone else following the coyotes fiasco. They had lost 200 or 300 million when they were first up for auction. The owner said it didn't work out the way Mr bettman had told him

What are they now a total of a half billion or so in losses and the city of Glendale s suing to stop paying the yotes 15 mill to manage the arena.


Bettman farce failure at its worst
- Steelmanpa

Yeah, they could be in Vegas very soon.

The Caps use Ovie for the whole PP. Why not try Giroux for the whole PP. I bet their success would increase.
- 3flyerkids

That would get Giroux's minutes well up over 20 per game unless you take him completely off the PK. I thought Simmonds was the better choice to doubleshift since he doesn't kill penalties nor play as many minutes at ES as Giroux.

Plus, the guy who is jamming the front of the net is the logical guy to have hang at the offensive blue line when the puck is cleared.

Maybe flip flop streit and mdz then? and keep schenn on the 2nd. You still have jake, g, and Simmonds on the 1st, along w/ raffl & mdz. That really doesn't look all that bad.

Second unit is coots, read, schenn, streit, white/cousins/ umberger(if he miraculously has some kind of improvement from being healthy, which I am not totally discounting). That second unit doesn't look that bad either w/ streit, schenn, and coots.
- benjichronic

I think the biggest issue is a QB and Streit is a better one than MDZ, but look at the different units.

When Giroux is out, he's the QB, from the LW wall. His spot there allows him to pass to three or four different options as well as having an available shot choice.

On PP2, Couturier, being left handed along that wall doesn't have as many easy options. His shot angle is different, and his passing lanes are slightly different, as well. But things don't flow as naturally for a lefty shooter on that wall as a righty shooter.

Also, Couturier isn't Giroux. And there's no dynamic presence like Voracek and no net front monster like Simmonds. I'd probably move Schenn to the Simmonds spot on unit 2, and flip Streit and MDZ, too. Raffl can handle the slot shooter role on PP1.

It will be interesting if they took Crouse in the draft. He could probably step right in and play on PP2 in the Simmonds role.

Lappy seems like a great guy but the penalty kill was dreadful
- vejim

Road PK was awful (along with pretty much everything Flyers did on road last season) but it was OK at home. Also Flyers had a high-ranked PK (with Lappy as coach) in 2013-14. He is not the problem.

I think the biggest issue is a QB and Streit is a better one than MDZ, but look at the different units.

When Giroux is out, he's the QB, from the LW wall. His spot there allows him to pass to three or four different options as well as having an available shot choice.

On PP2, Couturier, being left handed along that wall doesn't have as many easy options. His shot angle is different, and his passing lanes are slightly different, as well. But things don't flow as naturally for a lefty shooter on that wall as a righty shooter.

Also, Couturier isn't Giroux. And there's no dynamic presence like Voracek and no net front monster like Simmonds. I'd probably move Schenn to the Simmonds spot on unit 2, and flip Streit and MDZ, too. Raffl can handle the slot shooter role on PP1.

It will be interesting if they took Crouse in the draft. He could probably step right in and play on PP2 in the Simmonds role.
- Jsaquella

My thoughts exactly

Yeah, they could be in Vegas very soon.
- BiggE

Zero chance at Vegas. There's a group in place in Vegas, already meeting their ticket sales goals and doing a great job of getting things done. To move the Coyotes there rips everything that they have done.

My guess is Portland, Oklahoma City or Quebec for the Coyotes.

Road PK was awful (along with pretty much everything Flyers did on road last season) but it was OK at home. Also Flyers had a high-ranked PK (with Lappy as coach) in 2013-14. He is not the problem.
- bmeltzer

Agreed. I think the issues were much more personnel than they were coaching when it comes to the PK

That would get Giroux's minutes well up over 20 per game unless you take him completely off the PK. I thought Simmonds was the better choice to doubleshift since he doesn't kill penalties nor play as many minutes at ES as Giroux.

Plus, the guy who is jamming the front of the net is the logical guy to have hang at the offensive blue line when the puck is cleared.
- BiggE

Like you said they need a guy like Hall who was very underrated. He did his job well and could win the face offs. If they can find a reliable PK guy, I would give G a shot at being the QB for the full PP.
The 2nd unit was just hopeless and rarely sustained any pressure never mind score a fn goal

Zero chance at Vegas. There's a group in place in Vegas, already meeting their ticket sales goals and doing a great job of getting things done. To move the Coyotes there rips everything that they have done.

My guess is Portland, Oklahoma City or Quebec for the Coyotes.
- Jsaquella

Good point. Either way, no matter what Bettman thinks, I just don't see them lasting much longer in Arizona.

Good point. Either way, no matter what Bettman thinks, I just don't see them lasting much longer in Arizona.
- BiggE

Definitely not in Glendale, don't be amazed if they move back to Phoenix proper, though. Glendale is about 20 miles or so, outside of Phoenix and they Coyotes could move back to the arena they shared with the Suns. I forget what it's called now, but it was America West Arena or US Airways or something.

But if they leave Arizona altogether, I think Portland is most likely. Seattle doesn't have a new building, Portland has the facilities now

Yeah, they could be in Vegas very soon.
- BiggE

General feeling is no to Vegas since they would lose expansion fees $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Bill Meltzer: Assistant Coach Decisions Still Pending
- bmeltzer

Any other CHL coaches they'd have interest in bringing for the AHL coaching job or even as an NHL assistant?

Definitely not in Glendale, don't be amazed if they move back to Phoenix proper, though. Glendale is about 20 miles or so, outside of Phoenix and they Coyotes could move back to the arena they shared with the Suns. I forget what it's called now, but it was America West Arena or US Airways or something.

But if they leave Arizona altogether, I think Portland is most likely. Seattle doesn't have a new building, Portland has the facilities now
- Jsaquella

Yeah it's America west with obstructed line of sight seating in some areas.
Portland would be interesting.relocation fees more natural rivalry with canucks.
But does it fit in the plans of the twitching Napoleon of the league and his strategic bean counting and TV revenue

Prior to Hakstol's hiring, I had read that McIntyre was going to have a month from the time he officially left UND to sign with Boston or he would become an UFA (like Schultz and Hayes). All indications were he was going to sign with Boston despite the presence of Subban and Rask, but I haven't read anything since. I'm unsure of the exact date he left UND to know the timeline either. But I have wondered if the combination of Hakstol's presence here, the Flyers' lack of goalies in the system, and the possible hiring of UND's goalie coach could influence him at all. Truthfully, the lack of goalies in the system behind Mason should be the most attractive thing of the three.
- five4fighting10

Never even heard of him before today. He seems like a solid add regardless. We definitely need the depth.

Definitely not in Glendale, don't be amazed if they move back to Phoenix proper, though. Glendale is about 20 miles or so, outside of Phoenix and they Coyotes could move back to the arena they shared with the Suns. I forget what it's called now, but it was America West Arena or US Airways or something.

But if they leave Arizona altogether, I think Portland is most likely. Seattle doesn't have a new building, Portland has the facilities now
- Jsaquella

Not sure how much they'd consider it but Kansas City also has a building

It also depends on who they take with their first pick. If it's someone that they feel is "NHL ready" that guy may end up on the 2nd unit. If not, and if they don't add anyone via free agency, I'd try:

1st unit
Giroux
MDZ
Jake
Raffl
Simmonds

2nd unit
Streit
Read
Couturier
Schenn
Simmonds-I'd doubleshift him like they used to do with Tim Kerr and replace late with White.

Yeah, I'm using 4 forwards on the 2nd unit, and I'd replace Read towards the end with a Dman. I just can't stand AMac on the PP and I don't know enough about Medvedev to able to say that he can fill that role.

edit: pretty much what you said, LOL
- BiggE

I was thinking about him too, but same thing, I have no clue about the guy lol

Zero chance at Vegas. There's a group in place in Vegas, already meeting their ticket sales goals and doing a great job of getting things done. To move the Coyotes there rips everything that they have done.

My guess is Portland, Oklahoma City or Quebec for the Coyotes.
- Jsaquella

I think Quebec and Vegas are expansion teams. Portland gets a team once every option left in Arizona has been exhausted.

All likely ready in time for the centennial season in 16-17

Yeah it's America west with obstructed line of sight seating in some areas.
Portland would be interesting.relocation fees more natural rivalry with canucks.
But does it fit in the plans of the twitching Napoleon of the league and his strategic bean counting and TV revenue
- Steelmanpa

If it's Phoenix it'd likely be a temporary move. I was thinking of cities that have a facility in place that can handle a big crowd and be a good home.

I know that Portland has a good arena, OKC does and Quebec is almost done building one.

If Mullen had just had the first unit going, fine. But it's been good-and a strong point-pretty much no matter who has been on the team, since 2007 when Mullen came aboard
- Jsaquella

People forget how the PP struggled far too many times before he got there, methinks

I totally understand changes being made when units don't perform. Don't understand changes, or the desire to change, when units are working

Flyers PP is borderline lethal -- it's talent and experience that has kept PP2 down

If it's Phoenix it'd likely be a temporary move. I was thinking of cities that have a facility in place that can handle a big crowd and be a good home.

I know that Portland has a good arena, OKC does and Quebec is almost done building one.
- Jsaquella

I am thinking Portland or Kansas city where the penguins were supposed to go since Quebec and Vegas are expansion teams. Still could stay in the west.

The coyotes are like buying the worst house on a sinking street and pouring endless money into a hopeless situation. And trying to live there and putting lipstick on a dead pig

That market is a disaster. They bleed money, which hurts the league in many ways, most painful for the Flyers it means a lower salary cap. The city they play in wants a better deal, because they're bleeding cash, too.

Poorly planned, poorly executed situation where nobody is happy and the team, league and commish look like idiots
- Jsaquella

Brutal situation for exactly those reasons, has been for nearly 20 years now

I have nothing against having a team in Arizona. None at all

I have a problem with there being a salary cap and revenue sharing, yet a team like Arizona needing to be propped up year after year

If it's Phoenix it'd likely be a temporary move. I was thinking of cities that have a facility in place that can handle a big crowd and be a good home.

I know that Portland has a good arena, OKC does and Quebec is almost done building one.
- Jsaquella

On paper, that is supposed to be a good market. I understand why the NHL wants to be there.

In practice, it's brutal. That team needs to be moved, immediately, to one of the cities in the Pacific Northwest like Portland or Seattle. Or even QC.

The NHL not only bleeds money with leaving that team there, they bleed credibility.

Go back to that city when they get their poop together. Until then, a move has been in order since yesterday.