cant even compair nash to kessel. Nash would be the higher of the two. Id take him over kessel asny day of the week and twice on sunday.
- jmdodgeser4

Comparison of Kessel (now) and Nash (time of trade)

Age:
Nash - 28
Kessel - 27

PPG – Last 5 years
Nash - .72, .88, .88, 1.01, .86
Kessel: .74, .98, 1.08, 1.00, .78

Contract Status
Nash: 6 years, $7.8M, LNTC
Kessel: 7 years, $8.0M, LNTC

Other
Kessel – elite scoring winger, with speed and play-making ability
Nash – elite scoring winger with unique combination of size and skill

Comparison of Kessel (now) and Nash (time of trade)

Age:
Nash - 28
Kessel - 27

PPG – Last 5 years
Nash - .72, .88, .88, 1.01, .86
Kessel: .74, .98, 1.08, 1.00, .78

Contract Status
Nash: 6 years, $7.8M, LNTC
Kessel: 7 years, $8.0M, LNTC

Other
Kessel – elite scoring winger, with speed and play-making ability
Nash – elite scoring winger with unique combination of size and skill
- Tumbleweed

please supply now for both along with plus minus ..thx

Comparison of Kessel (now) and Nash (time of trade)

Age:
Nash - 28
Kessel - 27

PPG – Last 5 years
Nash - .72, .88, .88, 1.01, .86
Kessel: .74, .98, 1.08, 1.00, .78

Contract Status
Nash: 6 years, $7.8M, LNTC
Kessel: 7 years, $8.0M, LNTC

From what i see and know I would take nash. Hes just the better all around player. But also note I wouldnt take either now for anthing. cap hit and assets
Other
Kessel – elite scoring winger, with speed and play-making ability
Nash – elite scoring winger with unique combination of size and skill
- Tumbleweed

please supply now for both along with plus minus ..thx
- jmdodgeser4

plus/minus is a pretty crappy stat to base a decision on, but here you go:

-34, -5,-3, -10,-20
-19, 2, 4, -2, 11

plus/minus is a pretty crappy stat to base a decision on, but here you go:

-34, -5,-3, -10,-20
-19, 2, 4, -2, 11
- Tumbleweed

i agree. But who the more complete player of the two?

i agree. But who the more complete player of the two?
- jmdodgeser4

nash. but really, they're both terrible defensively.

http://ownthepuck.blogspo...ative-rankings-optic.html

nash. but really, they're both terrible defensively.

http://ownthepuck.blogspo...ative-rankings-optic.html
- Tumbleweed

I dont agree. Nash is ok on the d side. Kessel is just lost on that side of the puck. My point is thinking youll get a deal like the nash trade just isnt happening

I dont agree. Nash is ok on the d side. Kessel is just lost on that side of the puck. My point is thinking youll get a deal like the nash trade just isnt happening
- jmdodgeser4

agree to disagree.

thanks
- Tumbleweed

Bill Meltzer was the first I saw to post this theory, makes sense. on some levels, but nit sure I see Lecavalier walk away from nearly $10mm

Dreaded?
- ob18

Yeah, didn't you know, he's big and therefore bad

Bill Meltzer was the first I saw to post this theory, makes sense. on some levels, but nit sure I see Lecavalier walk away from nearly $10mm
- Jsaquella

i hear ya, if i have the choice between sitting in the press box or forgoing $10mm, i probably choose the pressbox and wait for a buyout.

vinny holds a lot of leverage with the NMC. If the flyers could force his hand by sending to the ahl, it is a very different choice. Ridding out his career on a bus does not so sound appealing to me.

i hear ya, if i have the choice between sitting in the press box or forgoing $10mm, i probably choose the pressbox and wait for a buyout.

vinny holds a lot of leverage with the NMC. If the flyers could force his hand by sending to the ahl, it is a very different choice. Ridding out his career on a bus does not so sound appealing to me.
- Tumbleweed

That's the rub. The Flyers lone leverage exists if Vinny wants to play so badly he is willing to bail on that much money.

i hear ya, if i have the choice between sitting in the press box or forgoing $10mm, i probably choose the pressbox and wait for a buyout.

vinny holds a lot of leverage with the NMC. If the flyers could force his hand by sending to the ahl, it is a very different choice. Ridding out his career on a bus does not so sound appealing to me.
- Tumbleweed

What's worse, playing in the AHL and riding a bus, or not playing at all, and becoming a well paid season ticket holder?

What's worse, playing in the AHL and riding a bus, or not playing at all, and becoming a well paid season ticket holder?
- MJL

clearly the ahl is far worse imo.

nhl is charter flights, first class food, facilities and treatment all the way. tough for someone that is used to that lifestyle to adjust to the ahl lifestyle.

easy for me to say, but ultimately it's up to vinny.

That's the rub. The Flyers lone leverage exists if Vinny wants to play so badly he is willing to bail on that much money.
- Jsaquella

yup, as was aptly put earlier, a good old fashion Mexican standoff.

Yeah, didn't you know, he's big and therefore bad
- Jsaquella

I thought you'd go with he'd never lift his teammates up

clearly the ahl is far worse imo.

nhl is charter flights, first class food, facilities and treatment all the way. tough for someone that is used to that lifestyle to adjust to the ahl lifestyle.

easy for me to say, but ultimately it's up to vinny.
- Tumbleweed

I think most of all, Lecavalier wants to play hockey. We'll see how it plays out.

If the scouting team has really done their homework (as they always do), the risk is minimal. Go for the highest ceiling prospect, and let the team's infrastructure and development system bring him up the right way. I don't think highly rated prospects just fail. I think they fail for a reason. And I think a team's player development system can have a massive difference in whether or not a highly rated prospect fails.
- JAKEw1234

Very spot on. It's not like these kids forget how to play hockey. Yeah some of it may be on the ice, but like you said, it's very much in how these players are brought along.

I thought you'd go with he'd never lift his teammates up
- ob18

No the latest I've seen from draft analysts who have watched as much of Crouse as I did of Eddie Shore, is that he's nothing but a big grinder

That's the rub. The Flyers lone leverage exists if Vinny wants to play so badly he is willing to bail on that much money.
- Jsaquella

I don't know, Vinny pretty much made it clear he wanted out I'm sure he realizes he has little to no trade value. Hexy made it clear it hasn't worked out for him or the Flyers either....I'd be shocked if there wasn't a mutual termination.

No the latest I've seen from draft analysts who have watched as much of Crouse as I did of Eddie Shore, is that he's nothing but a big grinder
- Jsaquella

I guess they should watch some more, I think he's a bit more than just a big grinder.

I guess they should watch some more, I think he's a bit more than just a big grinder.
- ob18

I'm fine if he's the pick. Not my pet prospect, but I agree with you about his ability and think he's going to be good.

I don't know, Vinny pretty much made it clear he wanted out I'm sure he realizes he has little to no trade value. Hexy made it clear it hasn't worked out for him or the Flyers either....I'd be shocked if there wasn't a mutual termination.
- flyerfan28

I wouldn't be shocked either way, TBH

I'm fine if he's the pick. Not my pet prospect, but I agree with you about his ability and think he's going to be good.
- Jsaquella

I have the 5 I think I'd consider the most at that spot but won't be upset if it's Crouse at all.

Examples?
- sarmen25

so laughton and couturier were the best players available? that's two