Any best guesses on where Sharp ends up? Rumor is Hawks want a 1st rd pick for him.

off topic, but what's the story on a Vinny L mutual termination?

I'm not certain it'll work the same as some of the other ones that have occurred, but i am curious to see what thoughts are out there on how the mutual termination would work in practice....

off topic, but what's the story on a Vinny L mutual termination?

I'm not certain it'll work the same as some of the other ones that have occurred, but i am curious to see what thoughts are out there on how the mutual termination would work in practice....
- Tumbleweed

The current scenario that everyone seems to be embracing is VL gets his July 1st bonus then terminates. Who knows what really happens.

yeah, great.
- hammarby31

What do you want to talk about?

The floor is open

Any best guesses on where Sharp ends up? Rumor is Hawks want a 1st rd pick for him.
- jstross

How bout Winnipeg for the 25th?

Any best guesses on where Sharp ends up? Rumor is Hawks want a 1st rd pick for him.
- jstross

Dallas....not for a 1st, just a hunch

Crouse is the missing link on the top line
- vejim

That's be great if hockey was played with one forward line.

The current scenario that everyone seems to be embracing is VL gets his July 1st bonus then terminates. Who knows what really happens.
- mayorofangrytown

the other mutual terminations that occurred seemed to be based on player causing a material breach of his contract. The scenarios i found seem to be consistent in that:

i) a player is demoted to the AHL;
ii) that player does not report to the AHL (material violation of his contract); and
iii) the violation opens up an opportunity to mutually terminate the contract (though it seems another remedy may be to suspend the player).

With Vinny's NMC, I don't see the above path available to the Flyers. Maybe there is another option?

Really, I'm just curious to see how this goes down. something every team should explore at times.

the other mutual terminations that occurred seemed to be based on player causing a material breach of his contract. The scenarios i found seem to be consistent in that:

i) a player is demoted to the AHL;
ii) that player does not report to the AHL (material violation of his contract); and
iii) the violation opens up an opportunity to mutually terminate the contract (though it seems another remedy may be to suspend the player).

With Vinny's NMC, I don't see the above path available to the Flyers. Maybe there is another option?

Really, I'm just curious to see how this goes down. something every team should explore at times.
- Tumbleweed

It's wishful thinking amongst Flyer fans. After his $2M payout on July, he's still owed $8.5M over the next 3 seasons. He'd likely only receive a deal similar to Brad Richards if he became a FA ($2M). He's still being paid by the Lightning, but he'd likely be turning down $5-6M if he agreed to a mutual termination.

I think he's going to hold out hope that the Flyers buy him out instead.

If the scouting team has really done their homework (as they always do), the risk is minimal. Go for the highest ceiling prospect, and let the team's infrastructure and development system bring him up the right way. I don't think highly rated prospects just fail. I think they fail for a reason. And I think a team's player development system can have a massive difference in whether or not a highly rated prospect fails.

the other mutual terminations that occurred seemed to be based on player causing a material breach of his contract. The scenarios i found seem to be consistent in that:

i) a player is demoted to the AHL;
ii) that player does not report to the AHL (material violation of his contract); and
iii) the violation opens up an opportunity to mutually terminate the contract (though it seems another remedy may be to suspend the player).

With Vinny's NMC, I don't see the above path available to the Flyers. Maybe there is another option?

Really, I'm just curious to see how this goes down. something every team should explore at times.
- Tumbleweed

I don't understand how mutual termination works in the NHL, but you seem to have a grasp on it. Can you give us a run down of how mutual termination works in this league? Cause I don't think I've ever seen it happen before.

I don't understand how mutual termination works in the NHL, but you seem to have a grasp on it. Can you give us a run down of how mutual termination works in this league? Cause I don't think I've ever seen it happen before.
- JAKEw1234

Pretty simple, both the team and player walk away from the contract. If tge Flyers and Vinny do this on July 2nd, Vinny becomes a UFA and the Flyers, due to the 7/1 bonus, would carry 2 million of dead cap space for the 15-16 season.

how much would it cost for trading up to three

how much would it cost for trading up to three
- Winning

More than they would want to part with. If they could deal up to 2 or 1 however.......

Pretty simple, both the team and player walk away from the contract. If tge Flyers and Vinny do this on July 2nd, Vinny becomes a UFA and the Flyers, due to the 7/1 bonus, would carry 2 million of dead cap space for the 15-16 season.
- BiggE

But isn't there some catch to it? There has to be a reason they never happen, and there has to be some kind of protection that keeps teams from just scratching players whose contracts they don't like in order to force mutual termination.

But isn't there some catch to it? There has to be a reason they never happen, and there has to be some kind of protection that keeps teams from just scratching players whose contracts they don't like in order to force mutual termination.
- JAKEw1234

Yah it called a guarenteed contract. He gets paid no matter what unless he wants to go and play somewhere and retire on a high note and not a pop corn grabber.

Hope Hextall gets another top 10 pick

7 and BSchenn for Drouin and 28th overall just popped in my head.

I think I'd be okay with that. Not sure where BSchenn fits into Tampa's lineup though.

Hope Hextall gets another top 10 pick
- Winning

That would be tough to swing in this draft without giving up some major pieces. I'm talking Jake or Simmonds+

7 and BSchenn for Drouin and 28th overall just popped in my head.

I think I'd be okay with that. Not sure where BSchenn fits into Tampa's lineup though.
- hereticpride

Who is our number 2 center? we saw how that worked with g and coots as our 1 and 2.

7 and BSchenn for Drouin and 28th overall just popped in my head.

I think I'd be okay with that. Not sure where BSchenn fits into Tampa's lineup though.
- hereticpride

braydn > drouin

I don't understand how mutual termination works in the NHL, but you seem to have a grasp on it. Can you give us a run down of how mutual termination works in this league? Cause I don't think I've ever seen it happen before.
- JAKEw1234

i was hoping to get some clarity here

there have been several mutual terminations, the details of most probably to boring to report on. But Brunner, kostitsyn, sykora all seemed to refuse assignment to the AHL - causing a breach in contract.

A player breach of his contract seems to be the key event needed to allow for a mutual termination and is a standard term in every players's contract. I've haven't seen anything on a simple walk away.

I suppose there are other ways to breach a contract, but the sample is pretty limited and the ahl demotion seems like the cleanest route; also allows for the team to control the process.

I was wondering if someone here could help me out with Provorov in particular. Obviously he has shot up draft boards mostly everywhere and a lot of people here like him as well, saying they'd be thrilled if he was the #7 selection. However, I've seen quite a bit of video on him that's available to us, mainly on youtube, and I come away a bit unimpressed.

Granted he's had a few nice rushes on his highlight reel resulting in goals but I'm concerned about his stride. He has a short, choppy skating technique that I've witnessed quite a bit. He has above average speed once he gets going from behind the net, but again the stride concerns me.

I must be missing something here cause I came away with a slight more interest in his D partner, Pilon, than Provorov himself. At the the moment I just don't see the value in him with such a high pick at #7.

Again, I'm not trying to smart, I was just was hoping someone could persuade me and/or at least help me with what I'm apparently missing when I watch tape on him.
- SeaIslelandLush

He extremely smart, makes an excellent first pass and his ability in the transition game is among the best I the draft class. He doesn't have the explosiveness of Sanheim, but he's not often caught out of position or hurt by making a bad read.

He's more Suter or Desjrdins in tht highlights don't show the best of his game

i was hoping to get some clarity here

there have been several mutual terminations, the details of most probably to boring to report on. But Brunner, kostitsyn, sykora all seemed to refuse assignment to the AHL - causing a breach in contract.

A player breach of his contract seems to be the key event needed to allow for a mutual termination and is a standard term in every players's contract. I've haven't seen anything on a simple walk away.

I suppose there are other ways to breach a contract, but the sample is pretty limited and the ahl demotion seems like the cleanest route; also allows for the team to control the process.
- Tumbleweed

refusing assignment is not mutual termination. this does not apply to the vinny situtation

He extremely smart, makes an excellent first pass and his ability in the transition game is among the best I the draft class. He doesn't have the explosiveness of Sanheim, but he's not often caught out of position or hurt by making a bad read.

He's more Suter or Desjrdins in tht highlights don't show the best of his game
- Jsaquella

I'd be happy if the Flyers drafted him. I see in the TSN1260 mock draft, Anthony Mingioni drafted Provorov for the Flyers. With how things fell in that one (McEichel, Strome, Marner, Hanifin, Zacha), I'd be very torn between Provorov and Barzal. Wouldn't be upset with Rantanen either. Can't really complain about picking 7th this year, plenty of solid players should be there.