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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 5 @ 2:23 PM ET
you looser
- nastyflyergirl


I no, write?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 5 @ 2:23 PM ET
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Barzal had terrific U-18. I see his stock only rising. Some scouts I talked to wonder if healthy all year, would he challenge Marner/Strome?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 5 @ 2:26 PM ET
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Barzal had terrific U-18. I see his stock only rising. Some scouts I talked to wonder if healthy all year, would he challenge Marner/Strome?
- PhillySportsGuy


Flyers should draft the guy who turns out to be the best NHL player.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 5 @ 2:33 PM ET
Flyers should draft the guy who turns out to be the best NHL player.
- jmatchett383


Always a solid plan
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jun 5 @ 3:02 PM ET
Well, at least they're undefeated since the hiring.
- bmeltzer

mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Jun 5 @ 3:06 PM ET
2 play-off game winners....if he pots 2 or 3 more goals and they win the whole thing, no one will care
- nails


People have already stopped caring after Vermette's 2nd playoff winner. Well worth the late first round pick
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 5 @ 3:07 PM ET
you looser
- nastyflyergirl


seriously.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Jun 5 @ 3:21 PM ET
Seems like HexStol will survive a couple of non PO seasons
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 5 @ 3:24 PM ET
A guy like Pegula only has a certain amount oh HRR coming in based on the 50% share. Every owner is in the same boat there. However, guys like Pegula/MLSE/Snider/etc. can also incorporate their capital into their HRE (i.e. include "out of pocket" money as well as their share of HRR).

Yes, they'd like to reduce their HRE (is that even a real term or did I just invent it) to increase their overall profit, but some teams just have way more $$ to spend for off-ice personell.

- jmatchett383



Every owner isn't in the same boat. Some teams bring in a lot more money than others do, and as you point out, some have more money to spend. My point is that they'll complain about expense are too high and profit is not high enough, but they have no problem writing a 50M check to a coach.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 5 @ 3:43 PM ET
Look up the elite college football facilities. It's ridiculous
- PhillySportsGuy


What is this football you speak of?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 5 @ 3:45 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/mcdavid-tops-mckenzie-s-final-draft-ranking-1.296839

McKenzie's final draft ranking has:

3. Hanifin
4. Marner
5. Strome
6. Zacha
7. Crouse
8. Provorov
9. Barzal
10. Rantanen

- Feanor


I'm intrigued by this Dennis Yan fellow.

Russian Oregonian HAPA, LW, silky mitts.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 5 @ 3:49 PM ET
I'm intrigued by this Dennis Yan fellow.

Russian Oregonian HAPA, LW, silky mitts.

- Tomahawk


I think you can get antibiotics prescribed for that.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 5 @ 3:54 PM ET
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Barzal had terrific U-18. I see his stock only rising. Some scouts I talked to wonder if healthy all year, would he challenge Marner/Strome?
- PhillySportsGuy

LOL
JSaq been saying that for months

mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jun 5 @ 4:03 PM ET
The cap is based exclusively on HRR, not HRE.
- jmatchett383

No. The cap isn't based solely on HRR. Its HRR less direct cost which includes the salaries of any employee directly effecting events that generate HRR. That includes coaches. Or so Jeff Marek and the guys on Leafs Lunch have discussed
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 5 @ 4:15 PM ET
LOL
JSaq been saying that for months

- BiggE

JSaq is the scout in question
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 5 @ 4:24 PM ET
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Barzal had terrific U-18. I see his stock only rising. Some scouts I talked to wonder if healthy all year, would he challenge Marner/Strome?
- PhillySportsGuy


So Provorov at #7 it is. Flyers with bona fide actual blueline prospects in the organization. Plus, two Russian dmen in the organization at the same time. These are potentially very strange times, indeed.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 5 @ 4:28 PM ET
Seems like HexStol will survive a couple of non PO seasons
- Landsbergfan

Why can he not take drugs by mouth? Seems fine to me.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 5 @ 4:28 PM ET
i know...i saw this before your post. l've got a problem lately. the other day i typed roll when i meant role. the offseason is not treating me well.
- hammarby31

Some were judging you harshly. I mean, how can you complain about the king when you fall short?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 5 @ 4:39 PM ET
No. The cap isn't based solely on HRR. Its HRR less direct cost which includes the salaries of any employee directly effecting events that generate HRR. That includes coaches. Or so Jeff Marek and the guys on Leafs Lunch have discussed
- mayorofangrytown


Revenue is now profit?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 5 @ 4:39 PM ET
So Provorov at #7 it is. Flyers with bona fide actual blueline prospects in the organization. Plus, two Russian dmen in the organization at the same time. These are potentially very strange times, indeed.
- ravishingone

Its the end of the world

as we know it




Whaddya know? I feel fine
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 5 @ 4:40 PM ET
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Barzal had terrific U-18. I see his stock only rising. Some scouts I talked to wonder if healthy all year, would he challenge Marner/Strome?
- PhillySportsGuy

hey hey we tried this already with Cooter lets not do that again
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 5 @ 4:40 PM ET
Its the end of the world

as we know it




Whaddya know? I feel fine

- BiggE

*pluck D string on bass sharply*
*feedback*
*sharp inhale*
*Guitar riff*
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 5 @ 4:40 PM ET
So Provorov at #7 it is. Flyers with bona fide actual blueline prospects in the organization. Plus, two Russian dmen in the organization at the same time. These are potentially very strange times, indeed.
- ravishingone

NO Crouse or Rantanen
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 5 @ 4:41 PM ET
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Barzal had terrific U-18. I see his stock only rising. Some scouts I talked to wonder if healthy all year, would he challenge Marner/Strome?
- PhillySportsGuy

One way or another we are getting the best prospect on draft day that we have in years. No more JVR turds please.

I wish there were a way we could keep 7 and still move up into the top 15 with the other pick.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 5 @ 4:42 PM ET
Every owner isn't in the same boat. Some teams bring in a lot more money than others do, and as you point out, some have more money to spend. My point is that they'll complain about expense are too high and profit is not high enough, but they have no problem writing a 50M check to a coach.
- MJL


Sure they'll complain about it. They'll complain if they have operating expenses of $0.01. The owners primary care is to maximize profits, which means to maximize revenue and minimize expenses. As for saving themselves from themselves, that has been happening since before the salary cap, and it doesn't work. The rich can still (theoretically) pay for the best, all things equal. So, basically, they're all hypocrites, especially the most profitable teams.
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