That's fine, but in my opinion, other than just not liking the idea, I haven't read in my opinion one single legitimate reason why it's not a good idea, in your posts on the subject.
- MJL

Your comprehension is poor. I think this thread has established that if nothing else over the years. You read what you want to read and that's about as much as you can do.

Your comprehension is poor. I think this thread has established that if nothing else over the years. You read what you want to read and that's about as much as you can do.
- mayorofangrytown

- MJL

anybody have any thoughts on Terry Murray?

I took July 2nd off to do a Vinny termination day of chanting and whatever other
spirits, curses or changes in the universe to make that happen.
Perhaps a spatial anomaly or a rift in the time space continuum.
At the very least the threat of alien probing to make him leave.. with his bag of loot.
- Steelmanpa

Desperate times call for desperate measures

anybody have any thoughts on Terry Murray?
- BulliesPhan87

Hope he's nowhere near the flyers bench

Hope he's nowhere near the flyers bench
- Just5

prepare for disappointment

anybody have any thoughts on Terry Murray?
- BulliesPhan87

He's a terrific retread candidate. Flyers need more of those. I hear Craig Berube's available.

anybody have any thoughts on Terry Murray?
- BulliesPhan87

An old man who ain't won poop, joining a young man that ain't won poop.

How'd I do? Are these facts? Or just opinion?

prepare for disappointment
- BulliesPhan87

He's a Flyers fan. He's used to it.

An old man who ain't won poop, joining a young man that ain't won poop.

How'd I do? Are these facts? Or just opinion?
- PLindbergh31

Depends on who reads it.

He's a terrific retread candidate. Flyers need more of those. I hear Craig Berube's available.
- mayorofangrytown

How many of the coaching vacancies around the NHL did Berube interview for?

Depends on who reads it.
- mayorofangrytown

How many of the coaching vacancies around the NHL did Berube interview for?
- PLindbergh31

Hopefully all of them. I'm hoping he lands in NJ. We could use another third round pick.

They were drafting as early as they could. You can hit or miss. They missed. They missed Weber and Suban after the first round. They traded up to get Pitkanen and that didn't work out. They drafted Woywitka with a first round pick. They sprink;ed in D in the second and through out the draft all along. It's not a lack of trying it's a lack of drafting the right guy. Every team wants to draft a premier defenseman. Only a handful of teams actually do it. If you aren't picking early it's a crap shoot.
- mayorofangrytown

In a 10 year period from 2002 to 2011, they drafted 75 players. 28% of those players were Dmen. By round, that breaks down to:

1st - 2
2nd - 3
3rd - 4
4th - 5
5th - 1
6th - 4
7th - 2
8th - 1

So 5 out of 75 players were picked in the 1st two rounds, or a paltry 6.67%.

Contrast that with the last 3 years, where they've drafted 19 players total, 9 of whom are dmen. That's 47%. Three of the 9 were drafted in the 1st or 2nd round, and five in the first 3 rounds.

That's a much bigger investment in Defense than they made in the 10 years beforehand.

An old man who ain't won poop, joining a young man that ain't won poop.

How'd I do? Are these facts? Or just opinion?
- PLindbergh31

It would be flyerific to saddle the new guy who brings a new philosophy and energy with one of the organizations dinosaurs

Hopefully all of them. I'm hoping he lands in NJ. We could use another third round pick.
- mayorofangrytown

That'd be great. Unfortunately I don't think Craig is on their radar.

It would be flyerific to saddle the new guy who brings a new philosophy and energy with one of the organizations dinosaurs
- Just5

I mean does Murray still have aspirations at 65 years of age to be an NHL head coach? What motivation is there for him?

An old man who ain't won poop, joining a young man that ain't won poop.

How'd I do? Are these facts? Or just opinion?
- PLindbergh31

Lol..this post is as ssurprising as MJL arguing semantics.

Lol..this post is as ssurprising as MJL arguing semantics.
- opeth_pa

Whooooo??????

In a 10 year period from 2002 to 2011, they drafted 75 players. 28% of those players were Dmen. By round, that breaks down to:

1st - 2
2nd - 3
3rd - 4
4th - 5
5th - 1
6th - 4
7th - 2
8th - 1

So 5 out of 75 players were picked in the 1st two rounds, or a paltry 6.67%.

Contrast that with the last 3 years, where they've drafted 19 players total, 9 of whom are dmen. That's 47%. Three of the 9 were drafted in the 1st or 2nd round, and five in the first 3 rounds.

That's a much bigger investment in Defense than they made in the 10 years beforehand.
- TheGreat28

You didn't take into consideration the lack of picks. 3 of the ten yrs you polled they didn't have a pick until round 3. In five others they didn't have a second round pick. That's 11 of a possible 20 picks. Hard to pick D in the top two rounds if you don't have a pick.

In the time you looked at (10 yrs) in the first two rounds they had 12 picks. 8 firsts and 4 seconds. They took 3 centers, 3 RWs, 1 LW and 5 D. That's over 40% D picks. D only makes up 30% of your starting roster.

I think they were picking D.

I mean does Murray still have aspirations at 65 years of age to be an NHL head coach? What motivation is there for him?
- PLindbergh31

The money's good.

That'd be great. Unfortunately I don't think Craig is on their radar.
- PLindbergh31

He's so low they might need sonar.

He's so low they might need sonar.
- mayorofangrytown

Haha!

anybody have any thoughts on Terry Murray?
- BulliesPhan87

I would argue that Murray's reputation is based largely on past and not recent accomplishments. He has had three non-playoff years with the Phantoms. While his roster in ADK was not stocked, neither was the competition in the division that they were in. One year in Lehigh Valley, with a far superior roster and near-NHL level facilities, and the team still under performed. Look at the AHL rankings for PP & PK. Awful.

There have been no notable graduates from Murray's Phantoms teams. There have been a couple players who played a few AHL games who have had modest success, but none that Murray really helped push to the next level. See Read & Raffl as examples. Conversely, I use Brandon Alderson as an example of the opposite. Expected to be a strong candidate to push for an NHL job, Alderson regressed and finished the ECHL playoffs as a scratch. I am not a fan of Terry Murray, the nurturing and wise teacher of today's young players.

I do, however,see a value of Murray as a mentor to Hakstol. There will obviously be situations and circumstances in the NHL which a college coach never experienced.