Next year maybe.

You said 3-4 years MINIMUM.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

yeah.. i bet they dont see the NHL til they are 21.. and they are 18 now so.. yeah .. 3 years

you may need to see a doctor if that stiffness you have has lasted for more than 4 continous hours

oh they will try to win

they just wont be good enough to do so lol
- Dozzer

I think a culture change is all that's needed. The Leafs have the talent, but have had to adapt to different systems. I think Babcock will completely change how people view the leafs, especially the cynical fanbase.

women like to drink
- Sammich

I can't blame them. If Kesselrules was my kid my blue box would be overflowing with cheap vodka bottles every garbage day.

I can't blame them. If Kesselrules my son my blue box would be overflowing with cheap vodka bottles every garbage day.
- 1979AD

Someone's a little obsessed with me.

Come on tell me how much AA is paying you since you only defend him by shouting insults.

that's our job
- Sammich

*Fires up the hub*

edit: I read that's your job.

yeah.. i bet they dont see the NHL til they are 21.. and they are 18 now so.. yeah .. 3 years

you may need to see a doctor if that stiffness you have has lasted for more than 4 continous hours
- Dozzer

3-4 years minimum doesn't mean next year.. I'll bet you anything that someone in this draft beyond the top 3 is playing in the NHL full time before 2018..

I can't blame them. If Kesselrules was my kid my blue box would be overflowing with cheap vodka bottles every garbage day.
- 1979AD

Stanley Cup finals schedule:

The NHL schedule, with all games starting at 8 p.m. ET/5 p.m. PT:

Game 1 Wednesday, June 3

Game 2 Saturday, June 6

Game 3 Monday, June 8

Game 4 Wednesday, June 10

Game 5 * Saturday, June 13

Game 6 * Monday, June 15

Game 7 * Wednesday, June 17

I think a culture change is all that's needed. The Leafs have the talent, but have had to adapt to different systems. I think Babcock will completely change how people view the leafs, especially the cynical fanbase.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

nah.. babcock and these spoon fed premadonna's wont get along worth a poop

keep planning on early patio seasons for a few years yet

That was me.
- 1979AD

I would have suspected it has to do with the 12 months of non stop playing/training kids are growing up with these days.

3-4 years minimum doesn't mean next year.. I'll bet you anything that someone in this draft beyond the top 3 is playing in the NHL full time before 2018..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

sure.. on a budget team

not the leafs tho

Dear (frank)ing god. Charisma, don't come back here please. You really would fit in as a habs fan.
- weirdoh

what the (frank) is wrong with Gauither?

And (frank)s your problem?

I hope that is not insults and bickering I see, I thought I made it clear yesterday that I don't want to see it here.

nah.. babcock and these spoon fed premadonna's wont get along worth a poop

keep planning on early patio seasons for a few years yet
- Dozzer

Premadonna is a sexist term..

Youre really bad at this. Your insults are weak.

what the (frank) is wrong with Gauither?

And (frank)s your problem?
- MCharisma91

Nothing wrong with Gauthier.

But I doubt he'll be a very good NHLer (if he ever gets there)

Nothing wrong with Gauthier.

But I doubt he'll be a very good NHLer (if he ever gets there)
- Pecafan Fan

I'm not saying he's going to be the next Mats Sundin or anything... but he'll be a decent 2nd or 3rd liner.. gotta give him that.

Stanley Cup finals schedule:

The NHL schedule, with all games starting at 8 p.m. ET/5 p.m. PT:

Game 1 Wednesday, June 3

Game 2 Saturday, June 6

Game 3 Monday, June 8

Game 4 Wednesday, June 10

Game 5 * Saturday, June 13

Game 6 * Monday, June 15

Game 7 * Wednesday, June 17
- KesselRules

when are the nhl awards ceremony?

I'm not saying he's going to be the next Mats Sundin or anything... but he'll be a decent 2nd or 3rd liner.. gotta give him that.
- MCharisma91

Maybe 3rd liner... But I'm not all gung-ho on him yet.

I would have suspected it has to do with the 12 months of non stop playing/training kids are growing up with these days.
- Aaron_85

Maybe it's also a case of being an overdiagnosed fad like ADHD? I'm not sure. Maybe in the old days they'd feel a pop in their shoulder and not use it for a few weeks until it felt okay to throw again.

Tanaka ripped his UCL and came back ok without TJ. Richardey was a 1st round draft pick as a power pitcher out of the NCAA and he was born without a UCL.

I'm not saying he's going to be the next Mats Sundin or anything... but he'll be a decent 2nd or 3rd liner.. gotta give him that.
- MCharisma91

In all honesty dude is most likely going to be a Dominic Moore.

If ever finds the offensive switch a Patrice Bergeron is possible, but HIGHLY unlikely.

Maybe it's also a case of being an overdiagnosed fad like ADHD? I'm not sure. Maybe in the old days they'd feel a pop in their shoulder and not use it for a few weeks until it felt okay to throw again.

Tanaka ripped his UCL and came back ok without TJ. Richardey was a 1st round draft pick as a power pitcher out of the NCAA and he was born without a UCL.
- 1979AD

If you played baseball, you'd know it has more to do with kids throwing curveballs at a younger age than ever before.

A curveball puts lots of pressure on your elbow.

In all honesty dude is most likely going to be a Dominic Moore.

If ever finds the offensive switch a Patrice Bergeron is possible, but HIGHLY unlikely.
- KesselRules

No I know that man, all I'm saying is I think he'll be a 3rd liner. Maybe even 2nd, but I'm not holding my breath. You need these kinda guys though. I see him as a 3rd line checker, and playing PK mins, nothing wrong with that.

There are a lot of guys I would've taken instead of him with that pick...but what's done is done.

babcock wanted mantha and another young guy last year
holland said no
- Sammich

the injuries piled up, and it was for a call up, not for half a season or anything.

im just saying, look at the track record for the wings, it speaks for itself.

nyquist, tatar come to mind right away.

I'm not saying he's going to be the next Mats Sundin or anything... but he'll be a decent 2nd or 3rd liner.. gotta give him that.
- MCharisma91

He won't be a top 6 guy, his offensive skills are pretty limited.

yeah.. i bet they dont see the NHL til they are 21.. and they are 18 now so.. yeah .. 3 years

you may need to see a doctor if that stiffness you have has lasted for more than 4 continous hours
- Dozzer

i bet they get a taste in year 2, but likely 3 years before full time players, its the right way to do things unless a generational talent or someone who is way ahead of where they should be.