He is producing in AZ.
Just projecting his stats and making some assumptions.
In his past 3 years his PPG are:
.54
.62
.62

With Sid or Malkin I guessed he gets another 15 points in an 82 game season pushing him up to .79 or 65 pts.

Those are top line numbers in my opinion, especially when you consider how low the point totals were for the top guys this year.
- brienstel

15 points is a big assumption to pay top dollar for. Sure, it's worked with guys like Neal and Hornqvist, but they also got top PP time and Boedker wouldn't.

They might be. He's an injury away from everyone talking about how is trade value is less because of his fragility.

And if we got a 1st in the deal you can move it to get another D.
- brienstel

Who would you expect to trade it for who's as young, cheap, and talented as Maata?

Let's get Saad. Let's get Boedker. Let's get Toffoli. Let's get real. The core is too far past supplementary players.

They might be. He's an injury away from everyone talking about how is trade value is less because of his fragility.

And if we got a 1st in the deal you can move it to get another D.
- brienstel

Why make two trades to get what you already have, though? A bird in hand, etc.

15 points is a big assumption to pay top dollar for. Sure, it's worked with guys like Neal and Hornqvist, but they also got top PP time and Boedker wouldn't.
- Tojo.

You might think so, but I need to pee.

15 points is a big assumption to pay top dollar for. Sure, it's worked with guys like Neal and Hornqvist, but they also got top PP time and Boedker wouldn't.
- Tojo.

Why wouldn't he get PP time?
15 pts is a big assumption? ...i thought it was fair.
Who's he playing with in AZ, Lori Korpikoski?

Who would you expect to trade it for who's as young, cheap, and talented as Maata?
- jmatchett383

haha, guys, I don't know yet. But, i think the 1st gives a lot of options and you could package it with another bad contract to replace the D hole.

Why make two trades to get what you already have, though? A bird in hand, etc.
- BulliesPhan87

Boedker is a winger, Sutter a center.

I have to ask, what is everyone's obsession with trading Maatta?

haha, guys, I don't know yet. I have a job that I need to tend to beyond looking 2,3 degrees into hypothetical deals on a hockey site that is based on fallacious trade claims.

but, i think the 1st gives a lot of options and you could package it with another bad contract to replace the D hole.
- brienstel

Wouldn't packaging it with a bad contract make it a LESS valuable commodity?

What wouldn't he get PP time?
15 pts is a big assumption? ...i thought it was fair.
Who's he playing with in AZ, Lori Korpikoski?
- brienstel

He wouldn't get on the top PP here, and the second unit doesn't play as much as it does elsewhere. There aren't too many players getting 65 points with just 1:30 in PP time no matter who they play with.

I have to ask, what is everyone's obsession with trading Maatta?
- SuperHenderson13

It's National Brain Vacation Day.

I have to ask, what is everyone's obsession with trading Maatta?
- SuperHenderson13

For the record, I'm not obsessed with it. I included him in a deal to make a previously proposed deal for Boedker more realistic. Thats all.

Wouldn't packaging it with a bad contract make it a LESS valuable commodity?
- jmatchett383

Yes but i makes the bad contract MORE palatable. ultimately giving us MORE cap space.

Or if cap space isn't an issue (which it is currently) then just deal it straight.

He wouldn't get on the top PP here, and the second unit doesn't play as much as it does elsewhere. There aren't too many players getting 65 points with just 1:30 in PP time no matter who they play with.
- Tojo.

Ok then.

About what precisely? That Harrington still needs a year? That Dumoulin probably will need at least this year in a sheltered, bottom pairing roll to figure out what we have in him before we jump to the conclusion that he's top 4? That Pouliot is still not good enough in his own zone to carry the second pairing without a competent top 4 partner? That there's a solid chance that neither Kapanen or Bennett can fill the 2RW position next season since Kap is still raw and needs to add weight and Bennett, well who knows, and as a hopefully competent organization we need to prepare for that possibility?

We don't have the organizational youth to have the luxury of not looking at veteran contingency plans. Having faith with our d core as it stands is delusional as well as penciling Kapanen before training camp even starts. There aren't any obvious good options out there. All we can do is hope that management has a trick up their sleeve, but that trick isn't throwing all of our young guys to the wolves and further stunting their all ready pedestrian development.
- Victoro311

I am worried we might be forcing Pouliot into a spot he's not ready for. His defensive game is well behind his offensive. But what are they going to do if he isnt ready, especially without a strong partner? Play him and Dumoulin together, 2 rookie LH puck moving d? A safer option might be sign a youngish vet and trade Dumo for a young forward.

It's National Brain Vacation Day.
- jmatchett383

Figures. Mine showed up for work. F trading Maatta.

Oh and F bringing Downie back.

So guys, what do you think about trading Crosby? We could probably trade him and Sutter and get a top-line winger and a 1st round pick. Then we could flip the pick along with a bad contract and get a marginal top-9 player.

Thoughts?

So guys, what do you think about trading Crosby? We could probably trade him and Sutter and get a top-line winger and a 1st round pick. Then we could flip the pick along with a bad contract and get a marginal top-9 player.

Thoughts?
- jmatchett383

So guys, what do you think about trading Crosby? We could probably trade him and Sutter and get a top-line winger and a 1st round pick. Then we could flip the pick along with a bad contract and get a marginal top-9 player.

Thoughts?
- jmatchett383

Crosby and Maatta are comparable so, ya, sounds reasonable.

Who are you the form bully trying to rally the school yard because you disagree with an amendment to a previous trade proposal? Grow up you f'n loser/troll.

Well, he DID think Steve Downie was an NHL player.
- jmatchett383

Good Downie is a very competent NHL player, a very useful one. Bad Downie isn't. It was a pretty good signing if you get down to what he brought when he was good Downie.

I have to ask, what is everyone's obsession with trading Maatta?
- SuperHenderson13

Have zero clue. He is one of the few competent defensemen we have with experience and talent.

- Victoro311

You fail.

He is producing in AZ.
Just projecting his stats and making some assumptions.
In his past 3 years his PPG are:
.54
.62
.62

With Sid or Malkin I guessed he gets another 15 points in an 82 game season pushing him up to .79 or 65 pts.

Those are top line numbers in my opinion, especially when you consider how low the point totals were for the top guys this year.
- brienstel

Boedker's past 3 years of ES regular season pts/60:
1.64
1.56
1.45

Those are far from top line numbers (~2pts/60). He's not a great defensive player either. I think he's getting overvalued because he plays a lot. Which is exactly what happened with Yandle and Vermette.

I have to ask, what is everyone's obsession with trading Maatta?
- SuperHenderson13

I think everyone's just freaking out right now. Hopefully management will make some good solid moves at the draft and free agency that will calm everyone down. But I agree. Maatta may not be Crosby level untouchable, but he's up there.