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TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 23 @ 6:53 PM ET
Why should the 1% give anything back they earned? Do you not think they dont pay tax on anything?

If they gave it to individuals, it would just be blown on jet skis and might last 2 weeks if you spread it across 300 million people.

If the Govt took it, no individuals would see it and just lost in the beaurcratic machine.

- sammy87


That is very short sighted! The top 1% own approximately 48% of the worlds wealth. Real incomes of ordinary people have gone down drastically. Items like food, fuel and housing have gone up exponentially due to price fixing by the 1% you claim that have "earned" their money. Most of the 1% have earned their money through inheritance cheques from their parents.

With an increase in the cost of goods a majority of one income households have been forced to become 2 income households. In fact in most cases that is still not enough to feed a family of four. Poverty is on the rise in North America and all this talk about beauracrats making lots of money is nothing but propoganda that has been orchestrated by the top 1% you speak of.
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

May 23 @ 6:56 PM ET
It really blows when you have someone like him, a sort or pioneer for this league support this garbage.

But thats Russia for you. Damn shame.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

May 23 @ 7:18 PM ET
The basis of the the idea is trying keep the KHL strong with the best Russian players (as well as others which is a bit ridiculous), which I think every national comp tries to do no matter what sport - reverse the rolls & change KHL & rubles into NHL & USD?

We have rules here excluding any Australian player playing OS for more cash playing for Australia in Rugby League, which usually keeps most here until they get a little older then they go OS & bank the cheques. Union had it but a lot of great players didn't care they wanted the cash, so they changed the rule back allowing them to still play for Australia.

So it happens in some way elsewhere - it's just a way of trying to keep their comp alive & I understand why. Whether it works or not well time will see.

Bit like him being married & having a mistress - he's trying to keep it going while attempting to keep his integrity!
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 7:19 PM ET
That is very short sighted! The top 1% own approximately 48% of the worlds wealth. Real incomes of ordinary people have gone down drastically. Items like food, fuel and housing have gone up exponentially due to price fixing by the 1% you claim that have "earned" their money. Most of the 1% have earned their money through inheritance cheques from their parents.

With an increase in the cost of goods a majority of one income households have been forced to become 2 income households. In fact in most cases that is still not enough to feed a family of four. Poverty is on the rise in North America and all this talk about beauracrats making lots of money is nothing but propoganda that has been orchestrated by the top 1% you speak of.

- TheUltimateJet


IDK, I think worrying about how much more somebody else has than yourself is a bit short sighted. Outside of a few dozen countries, most of the world is pretty crappy. Just think you could be born in a place where your head gets sliced off for being not part of the religious majority, or a homosexual, or being accused in a puppet trial. Thats just the luck of the draw.

Not all things are more expensive. Electronics, clothing, fuel, many durable goods are now at their all time low. Fuel is now cheaper than milk. Food is even less expensive.

Services are more though. Education, health care have all gone up.

Prove that there is price fixing and the 1% is behind everyones struggles. I dont buy that incomes have gone down. An aero engineer in the 70's made like $20k, many aero engineers earn over $100k.

xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 23 @ 7:34 PM ET
You know what, I have no issues with what this guy says. I think players should do that. HOWEVER! It needs to work both ways! You sign a contract, NHL or KHL and you must honour it and no team from either league can have you. You sign with a team for 3 years and dont like it? Too bad, you play with them or sit until your contract is up!
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 7:42 PM ET
You know what, I have no issues with what this guy says. I think players should do that. HOWEVER! It needs to work both ways! You sign a contract, NHL or KHL and you must honour it and no team from either league can have you. You sign with a team for 3 years and dont like it? Too bad, you play with them or sit until your contract is up!
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


He's just protecting his league and saying what he should. No body wants to get Kovalychucked.
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

May 23 @ 7:46 PM ET
So if your parents leave you an inheritance it should be seized by the state?

Warren Buffet, Gates, Jobs, Bloomberg, Ryan, are all part of the 1%. They all took on considerable risk to get where they were. They took a chacne and created something. Sure you can get a decent job and make upper middle class income on a salary, but those that are at the top are not salary employees. They own it or invested wisely. Just because someone chose not to aspire to anything, does not make them entitled to something.

I am assuming this is all acquired legally.

Those that suggest that the 1% dont deserve it and the wealth should be re distributed are basically suggesting socialism. In which case as said before a different 1% will control them.

- sammy87


You've either misunderstood everything I said or invented a story in your cranium. If you have than you have, the 1% most certainly have and the majority didn't earn it. That is a fact. You can throw the big names out there like Gates and I've got two names to his one that got screwed out of the deal. The hedgefund guys and stockbrokers that benefited from others demise would likely equate to 50% of the 1 %. And then there's church's!!!! They've got it and they can keep it and I never said it should be distributed in any way.
Newfinator81
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: JVR for Bailey, Kulemin, and maybe a 2nd - mr.sir
Joined: 06.29.2012

May 23 @ 7:51 PM ET
IDK, I think worrying about how much more somebody else has than yourself is a bit short sighted. Outside of a few dozen countries, most of the world is pretty crappy. Just think you could be born in a place where your head gets sliced off for being not part of the religious majority, or a homosexual, or being accused in a puppet trial. Thats just the luck of the draw.

Not all things are more expensive. Electronics, clothing, fuel, many durable goods are now at their all time low. Fuel is now cheaper than milk. Food is even less expensive.

Services are more though. Education, health care have all gone up.

Prove that there is price fixing and the 1% is behind everyones struggles. I dont buy that incomes have gone down. An aero engineer in the 70's made like $20k, many aero engineers earn over $100k.

- sammy87


Stop drinking the Fox kool-aid...

Ex-CEO's of Banks in America have had high government jobs helping decide banking, and Wall St. regulations ever since Reagan. The 2007 market crash effected the poor and middle class much more harshly than the rich. Also, most of the recovery has gone to improving the already luxury lifestyle of the rich.

Ex-CEO's of the Oil & Gas industries have a big say in environmental policies, in the same way. As does ex-CEO's of Healthcare insurance corporations working on the ACA. Which is why there isn't a public option, and is basically a better version of a poopy system.

You're lack of understanding about INFLATION is disturbing. Someone making 20k in the 70's should be making roughly 120k today, so even a Aero engineer isn't being paid enough at 100k. The top 1% has had a exponential growth in their wealth since that douche Reagan, whereas the lower end of the scale worker's pay hasn't kept up with the inflation rate. Which is why the American household went from single to double incomes, and even that isn't enough. The poor works harder than the rich, most inherited their wealth, yet the rich gets all the tax breaks and benefits.

This is no different than what was going on in the "socialist" USSR. America needs a bit of actual socialism (which is completely different than your Fox News/Republican version of it), or it will continue to be passed by other countries. America isn't number 1 anymore, should have listened to Carter's "Crisis in Confidence" speech instead of bending over for Reagan. What a dumb, dumb country.
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

May 23 @ 7:55 PM ET
This turned sour.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 23 @ 7:58 PM ET
That is very short sighted! The top 1% own approximately 48% of the worlds wealth. Real incomes of ordinary people have gone down drastically. Items like food, fuel and housing have gone up exponentially due to price fixing by the 1% you claim that have "earned" their money. Most of the 1% have earned their money through inheritance cheques from their parents.

With an increase in the cost of goods a majority of one income households have been forced to become 2 income households. In fact in most cases that is still not enough to feed a family of four. Poverty is on the rise in North America and all this talk about beauracrats making lots of money is nothing but propoganda that has been orchestrated by the top 1% you speak of.

- TheUltimateJet

look to the government for failed policies... not to the 1%.

I work a lot with members of the 1% for work. There are a lot of scumbags and a lot of good people... I know a lot of people in the 99%... a lot of them are scumbags and a lot of good people.

this idea (not saying yours) that everyone in the 1% is some greedy savage who didnt earn their money is why this country is what it is.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 23 @ 8:03 PM ET
Stop drinking the Fox kool-aid...

Ex-CEO's of Banks in America have had high government jobs helping decide banking, and Wall St. regulations ever since Reagan. The 2007 market crash effected the poor and middle class much more harshly than the rich. Also, most of the recovery has gone to improving the already luxury lifestyle of the rich.

Ex-CEO's of the Oil & Gas industries have a big say in environmental policies, in the same way. As does ex-CEO's of Healthcare insurance corporations working on the ACA. Which is why there isn't a public option, and is basically a better version of a poopy system.

You're lack of understanding about INFLATION is disturbing. Someone making 20k in the 70's should be making roughly 120k today, so even a Aero engineer isn't being paid enough at 100k. The top 1% has had a exponential growth in their wealth since that douche Reagan, whereas the lower end of the scale worker's pay hasn't kept up with the inflation rate. Which is why the American household went from single to double incomes, and even that isn't enough. The poor works harder than the rich, most inherited their wealth, yet the rich gets all the tax breaks and benefits.

This is no different than what was going on in the "socialist" USSR. America needs a bit of actual socialism (which is completely different than your Fox News/Republican version of it), or it will continue to be passed by other countries. America isn't number 1 anymore, should have listened to Carter's "Crisis in Confidence" speech instead of bending over for Reagan. What a dumb, dumb country.

- Newfinator81

I'd love to hear more about this statement...

what this country needs is true capitalism... not the "capitalism" where the government determines money supply and interest rates.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 23 @ 8:03 PM ET
IDK, I think worrying about how much more somebody else has than yourself is a bit short sighted. Outside of a few dozen countries, most of the world is pretty crappy. Just think you could be born in a place where your head gets sliced off for being not part of the religious majority, or a homosexual, or being accused in a puppet trial. Thats just the luck of the draw.

Not all things are more expensive. Electronics, clothing, fuel, many durable goods are now at their all time low. Fuel is now cheaper than milk. Food is even less expensive.

Services are more though. Education, health care have all gone up.

Prove that there is price fixing and the 1% is behind everyones struggles. I dont buy that incomes have gone down. An aero engineer in the 70's made like $20k, many aero engineers earn over $100k.

- sammy87



My friend if you have a spare moment, please read section 1107 in the North American Free Trade Agreement! The same section can be found in the proposed Multilateral Agreement on Investment. What you read may shock you! The top 1% do not play taxes as the agreements aforementioned allow capital to flow freely across borders without local jurisdictions being able to tax them. The wealthy have the ability to take advantage of these rules, whereas people like you and me are left to fill in the financial holes that otherwise would have been subsidized by these peoples tax evasive practices!
Vegas Trotzkies
Nashville Predators
Location: OR
Joined: 07.18.2006

May 23 @ 8:03 PM ET
It sucks, but they probably see it as a sense of national duty, much like mandatory military obligations. I think Rask maybe had to stay in Finland a little extra time(a year?) before coming over to fulfill his obligation. I don't think there is anything wrong with the concept of national duty, but handcuffing someone until they're 28 is where they go wrong. Fetisov has no say in this by the way. He is merely a puppet of the system. I still greatly appreciate and respect everything he has done. It's not his fault he was born there. We don't know the whole story.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 23 @ 8:13 PM ET
My friend if you have a spare moment, please read section 1107 in the North American Free Trade Agreement! The same section can be found in the proposed Multilateral Agreement on Investment. What you read may shock you! The top 1% do not play taxes as the agreements aforementioned allow capital to flow freely across borders without local jurisdictions being able to tax them. The wealthy have the ability to take advantage of these rules, whereas people like you and me are left to fill in the financial holes that otherwise would have been subsidized by these peoples tax evasive practices!
- TheUltimateJet



This is 100% dead on. NAFTA was signed into place in 1994. In 1993 the top 1% accounted for about 13% of all income in the U.S., by 2003 it had spiked to 23.5%. Income disparity had almost doubled within a decade of NAFTA being signed.
jkumpire
Location:
Joined: 03.16.2009

May 23 @ 8:19 PM ET
Nice to see that North American propaganda machine working well.

Russia bad. West good.

The comical thing is that the sheep on this side of the pond actually believe they vote for a "democracy". Corporatism.

- flyer_nutter


Turn off your internet connection for ten minutes or so and read about the Soviet Union, the Gulag, or the purges, and then read something the former world chess champion Garry Kasparov had said or written in the past 5-10 years, then get back to us when you discover reality.
Newfinator81
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: JVR for Bailey, Kulemin, and maybe a 2nd - mr.sir
Joined: 06.29.2012

May 23 @ 8:21 PM ET
I'd love to hear more about this statement...

what this country needs is true capitalism... not the "capitalism" where the government determines money supply and interest rates.

- SuperHenderson13


"Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[1][2] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[3][4] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these." - Wikipedia

Think of a company, instead of most of the money going to the top, few individuals, it goes to the largest portion of individuals, the workers. Individually the top CEO would make the most money, but not more than the entire work force combined, which is happening in America today.

A Democratic Socialist country with a flexible capitalist economy would benefit everyone (well almost everyone). Examples; Sweden, Norway, Canada, USA during/post war.
Vegas Trotzkies
Nashville Predators
Location: OR
Joined: 07.18.2006

May 23 @ 8:30 PM ET
Turn off your internet connection for ten minutes or so and read about the Soviet Union, the Gulag, or the purges, and then read something the former world chess champion Garry Kasparov had said or written in the past 5-10 years, then get back to us when you discover reality.
- jkumpire


+1 for Anne Applebaum's book
Topshelf Mountain
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: 07.26.2007

May 23 @ 8:47 PM ET
Changing channel....now!
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 23 @ 8:48 PM ET
"Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,
- Newfinator81[1][2] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[3][4] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these." - Wikipedia

Think of a company, instead of most of the money going to the top, few individuals, it goes to the largest portion of individuals, the workers. Individually the top CEO would make the most money, but not more than the entire work force combined, which is happening in America today.

A Democratic Socialist country with a flexible capitalist economy would benefit everyone (well almost everyone). Examples; Sweden, Norway, Canada, USA during/post war.

i wouldnt say that is the problem. i think the main problem is government as a whole and how they manipulate the economy to benefit certain groups.

1. Tax breaks- you solve this by putting in a simple flat tax rate applicable to everyone. you eliminate deductions and everything else. this will level the playing field to what we have now.

2. Education- allow schools to compete with each other to attract students in the whole area. dont limit students to their school districts. this will allow bright students in intercity schools the opportunity to get a good education and ends the monopoly of good schools for suburban kids only.

3. End the drug war. Stop using the drug war to allow police forces and others to have a financial incentive to make arrests and punish kids, especially younger and poorer kids.

4. Eliminate the Federal Reserve/Central Bank system. Allow the free market to handle interest rates and money supply instead of a group of allowing less than 10 people decide the monetary policy of this country.

probably could think of more, but these 4 things would hopefully help the middle class and the lower class get back on their feet and grow.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 23 @ 8:55 PM ET
This is 100% dead on. NAFTA was signed into place in 1994. In 1993 the top 1% accounted for about 13% of all income in the U.S., by 2003 it had spiked to 23.5%. Income disparity had almost doubled within a decade of NAFTA being signed.
- smellmyfinger


I follow this kind of thing. Who signed NAFTA and GATT agreements? Bill Clinton. A Demoncrat. Who will sign the TPP? Obama. Another Demoncrat. Anybody thinking democrats are for the little people and Republicans are for the wealthy are fools. For those that don't understand, both parties are rotten to the core. 95% of politicians are pure evil. Corrupt crooks. Both red and blue.

Capitalism is a wonderful thing, unfortunately it's been a long time since it actually existed in the United States.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 23 @ 8:57 PM ET
I follow this kind of thing. Who signed NAFTA and GATT agreements? Bill Clinton. A Demoncrat. Who will sign the TPP? Obama. Another Demoncrat. Anybody thinking democrats are for the little people and Republicans are for the wealthy are fools. For those that don't understand, both parties are rotten to the core. 95% of politicians are pure evil. Corrupt crooks. Both red and blue.

Capitalism is a wonderful thing, unfortunately it's been a long time since it actually existed in the United States.

- madmike71

madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 23 @ 8:57 PM ET
I'm so Saad we didn't draft Saad.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 23 @ 10:34 PM ET
I follow this kind of thing. Who signed NAFTA and GATT agreements? Bill Clinton. A Demoncrat. Who will sign the TPP? Obama. Another Demoncrat. Anybody thinking democrats are for the little people and Republicans are for the wealthy are fools. For those that don't understand, both parties are rotten to the core. 95% of politicians are pure evil. Corrupt crooks. Both red and blue.

Capitalism is a wonderful thing, unfortunately it's been a long time since it actually existed in the United States.

- madmike71


If only everyone listened to Ross Perot.

He was right on just about everything he debated.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

May 23 @ 11:09 PM ET
This would be comical if it weren't so sad. The Ruble is collapsing because Putin wants Russia to regain the glory (LOL) of the Soviet Union and all of those wonderful benefits that go along with communism. Unfortunately for him the single source of their wealth (energy) is taking a serious hit these days.

Communism and the control that goes with it is wonderful for the elite. That's how you know Fetisov has joined that class. Everybody else just needs to shut up and get in the bread lines.

- madmike71


I think Putin wants desperately to get the band back together, as in reacquiring the Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus et al. The guy is nuts.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

May 23 @ 11:15 PM ET
I think Putin wants desperately to get the band back together, as in reacquiring the Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus et al. The guy is nuts.
- Oneonta Penguin

But his people love him! He was reelected with 99.9% of the vote!
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