Not true with goalies and d-men.
- Atomic Wedgie

agreed. but if any type of player peaks/matures the earliest it's scoring forwards. hence, kadri ain't a puppy.

safe to say he knows a winning pedigree and doesn't see it in 3 and 81. that's why i loved the shanny hire - a player who knows how to win and recognizes losers.

he will take the draft/develop theory that worked in detroit all day over a rush job that has franked the leafs for decades. $6 mil will keep him happy.
- clark_griswold

I think it's front loaded too, so Shanny knowing they will suck the first 3 gives him mo money...

XBMC box for the win.
- Atomic Wedgie

Was talking about this at work. How long till they shut down that stuff?

I don't even know what you can watch on that. I think you can get US Networks for free but only standard def?

movies?

Did you see they're rebooting the vacation movies? Rustys taking his kids to wally world, gonna be fun times
- TonkaPhaneuf

ya looks pretty good actually

Look. Where you draft matters sure. But what's the point if you bring those players into a losing invornment, being coached by a coach hired to lose. Development is as important as anything, which is something we have lacked for a long time. This move helps huge with that. We're already drafting high and have been for some years now. No need to freak out at all, IMO.
- systemtool

Going from all out offense and possession Ron Wilson, to defense-first, no possession, Carlyle, to all out offense, still no possession Carlyle, to all defense Horachek in the span of what, 3 years? Probably doesn't help player development.

Duthie - Will this be another one of those leaf quick fix things

Dreger - Babcock signed the deal not only knowing but welcoming the change that is coming to the hockey teams player personnel. full knowing this team has to be worse before it gets better.

" Thats why he took the job"


suck on that JFJ / UG seriously.

Not really. And definitely not in the case of a goalie.
- Feeling Glucky?

you are right....

quant hockey has the goaltender average at 28.8 years and about 27.2 for skaters.

also.. veteran isnt about age.. its about how long you have played in the league.

Call me a blue Kool-aid chugger, but I still think Kadri can be a player.

He pisses me off for 99% of the game, and then I see him do one little thing and I think that he could be an elite.

Of course, I said the same thing about Alyn McCauley...
- Atomic Wedgie

I've bought into some of the analytics which generally show that he's already a good solid productive top 6 centre. I think he was top 30 in the NHL (centres) most of the year in ES points ...at least before the big team slide. Throw him some better opportunities and give him some real PP time and I think you'll probably see a 65-70 point guy who is decent but still pisses you off with some shoddy neutral zone play.

But I agree ...he needs to take another step soon to really start answering some of those questions.

i wish i could for you...but apparently you are the only one who thinks that. i can't comment since i didn't read his stuff..i do remember his avatar as i used to read before i was a poster; but can't remember anything in particular
- clark_griswold

You didn't read, but you did?

I think that whatever Shanahan thought of Kessel and Phaneuf yesterday is still what holds.

I haven't peeked inside the Shanabinder, but I'm guessing hiring Babcock doesn't alter it.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think to convince Babock to sign here, the Shanabinder needed some alterations. Do you see Babcock being perfectly okay with having no 1st line center, winger, defender or goalie for the next three years and coaching a last place team? I don't.

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php

In 2014-2015, the average age was around 27. Pretty safe to say that at 26, you're no longer a rookie.
- Pecafan Fan

I didn't say they were rookies.

You're only a rookie in your first year.


Are you saying Galchenyuk is a veteran?

I pay for usenet. Fastest way to download and untraceable.
- Feeling Glucky?

Except that it is WAY more difficult to find good quality downloads than it used to be.

depends what they are traded for, i think the picks and prospect route is now of the table
- the_eye

why would Shanahan change direction by 180 degrees because of Babcock.... that would be a completely repetition of what the impatient guys did in earlier iterations of the Leafs management... change everything on a whim.

Babcock isn't going to walk in and say he can win with this roster - only a stupid person would do that. The reason that Babcock is taking the role is because for the money he take a slightly different take on how to run the club. He doesn't have Datsyuk. etc etc.
And he knows that.

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php

In 2014-2015, the average age was around 27. Pretty safe to say that at 26, you're no longer a rookie.
- Pecafan Fan

26 in Leafs years is like 18.

you are right....

quant hockey has the goaltender average at 28.8 years and about 27.2 for skaters.

also.. veteran isnt about age.. its about how long you have played in the league.
- Dozzer

or attitude. Toews was a veteran at 22

I didn't say they were rookies.

You're only a rookie in your first year.


Are you saying Galchenyuk is a veteran?
- Feeling Glucky?

Galcheyuk is 20. Not 26.

The Leafs have a promising but still developing D entering his 3rd year, 1 top prospect and another soon to be top prospect...... That's it bud.....
- Mr_Smokey

And another first round pick this year who could be a top prospect, and two big ticket stars they will trade for top prospects and/or draft picks. Not sooooo bleak. A lot better shape than the end of the Sundin era when there was

The Leafs have a promising but still developing D entering his 3rd year, 1 top prospect and another soon to be top prospect...... That's it bud.....
- Mr_Smokey

What will the return be for Kessel?

How about Phaneuf?

Think Nashville's pick just might grab a good player? What about the rest of the rounds this year?

What about all the guys you conveniently forgot: Brown, Leipsic, Johnson?

What about the guys who a couple years ago were the future, like Kadri and Gardiner??

What about 26 year old veterans that were drafted high and had a good pedigree like JVR and Bernier?

The answer to all this is that you guys are deliberately poopting on a good day in leafs nation.

And I'm not your (frank)ing bud, bud

I didn't say they were rookies.

You're only a rookie in your first year.


Are you saying Galchenyuk is a veteran?
- Feeling Glucky?

He's 21.... not 27.

SO YOUNG YOUNGEST TEAM EVER WILL ONLY GET BETTER EVERY YEAR

you are right....

quant hockey has the goaltender average at 28.8 years and about 27.2 for skaters.

also.. veteran isnt about age.. its about how long you have played in the league.
- Dozzer

Even then, I don't think we've seen all JVR has to bring yet. IMO he's still a developing asset, even if it's taking a while(big guys take longer).

IMO, in order to be considered a veteran, you should be a known asset.

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php

In 2014-2015, the average age was around 27. Pretty safe to say that at 26, you're no longer a rookie.
- Pecafan Fan

sorry.. but you are wrong.. its almost bang on 28

You didn't read, but you did?
- burn

didn't pay attention. just remember his avatar (i think). plus he was on non stop so he stood out

so if MB is making 8 per year for the first few seasons, what does the new AC ask for?

He's 21.... not 27.
- Scabeh

But he's not a rookie, and apparently you're either a rookie or a vet.


edit: and neither is JVR.