I doubt Babcock took the job to watch all his best players get traded and have nothing to work with.

New rules still give the lowest standing team the best odds at the best players.

The team might be young but they don't have enough high quality young players to make it worth while.

Hiring Babcock has come 5 years too early.
- JohnFergusonJr

As far as we know, the Shanaplan is a long-term plan.

Babcock was hired for 8 years.

Admittedly, we have no idea what the Shanaplan is or what was discussed prior to Babcock being hired, but I'd be willing to bet a beer or two that Babcock was not brought in here for a quick fix.

And here's the funny thing: there are no quick fixes anymore. The only option is to trade away your 1st round draft picks for talent, and the Leafs simply don't have the stomach to do that. Not after Burkie.

Sit back and get comfortable. Shanny is playing the long game here.

Babcock is hardwired to win at all times and at all costs. The firesale and the tanking require to give him the core he needs to become a winner isn't going to happen because it means losing, something Babcock won't do.

I hope they blow the team up and have a firesale but I see the odds of that drastically drop now.
- JohnFergusonJr

Somehow I don't see Kessel, Bozak and Phaneuf as Babcock type players.
I think there will still be a fire sale.

The question is what can he do for Rielly, Bernier, Nylander (if he's there next year) etc.

Sorry man. I totally forgot you were Babcock's brother in law and know exactly what he's thinking.
- 1979AD

Mark stone had surgery don't you know.......

Guy is clueless.

Somehow I don't see Kessel, Bozak and Phaneuf as Babcock type players.
I think there will still be a fire sale.

The question is what can he do for Rielly, Bernier, Nylander (if he's there next year) etc.
- stormey

- Agreed, move them.

- Agreed teach them. Cept Brenier. Gone.

You're always like this.

and what I said istn exactly your point.

your just a bummer, and negative. and usually wrong.

Did stone have surgery on his broken wrist yet?
- Lee Denault

I respect JFJ for at least keeping calm...he and i had our battles about eichel, and how i'd give a ton plus our 4th for him ( i think he proved at the world's he's legit). But through it all he didn't name call or do stupid stuff like add .

still...he should be happy today

Sorry man. I totally forgot you were Babcock's brother in law and know exactly what he's thinking.
- 1979AD

Every guy knows what a BadCOCK thinking about

he's won a cup...olympics, CIAU, etc. he knows how to run a good franchise (Detroit) and how to poope all over one (Toronto). He's a patient man and will want it built properly. $6.25 million a year has a calming effect on one's patience, weird but true
- clark_griswold

Part of building it properly means getting rid of all the veterans and hitting rock bottom for a few more years. The odds of that happening now are drastically lower now.

As far as we know, the Shanaplan is a long-term plan.

Babcock was hired for 8 years.

Admittedly, we have no idea what the Shanaplan is or what was discussed prior to Babcock being hired, but I'd be willing to bet a beer or two that Babcock was not brought in here for a quick fix.

And here's the funny thing: there are no quick fixes anymore. The only option is to trade away your 1st round draft picks for talent, and the Leafs simply don't have the stomach to do that. Not after Burkie.

Sit back and get comfortable. Shanny is playing the long game here.
- Atomic Wedgie

Plus, what would he have gotten in Buffalo? What would he have gotten even in SJ, plenty of underachievers there also... He won't expect to be in the playoffs until they are able to make the playoffs... lol...

Somehow I don't see Kessel, Bozak and Phaneuf as Babcock type players.
I think there will still be a fire sale.

The question is what can he do for Rielly, Bernier, Nylander (if he's there next year) etc.
- stormey

hopefully he can find Bernier a new team

Somehow I don't see Kessel, Bozak and Phaneuf as Babcock type players.
I think there will still be a fire sale.

The question is what can he do for Rielly, Bernier, Nylander (if he's there next year) etc.
- stormey

Wasn't Phaneuf invited to team Canada orientation camp?

Phaneuf may be more of a Babcock type player than you believe.

Regular Chips ‏@GoddTill 42s42 seconds ago

There's a real cognitive dissonance going on with those who say Babcock's hiring will derail the rebuild.


*Looks at U_G JFJ*

Part of building it properly means getting rid of all the veterans and hitting rock bottom for a few more years. The odds of that happening now are drastically lower now.
- JohnFergusonJr

explain

Sorry man. I totally forgot you were Babcock's brother in law and know exactly what he's thinking.
- 1979AD

Widely reported by various media outlets that he is wickedly comeptitive and tanking is not in his agenda.

I respect JFJ for at least keeping calm...he and i had our battles about eichel, and how i'd give a ton plus our 4th for him ( i think he proved at the world's he's legit). But through it all he didn't name call or do stupid stuff like add .

still...he should be happy today
- clark_griswold

they guy knows how to get under my skin.

if this was on the ice he'd always put me in the bin for 2 minutes.

I doubt he has ultimate control over trades.

Really really really doubt it. He'll be part of the committee.


Notice they didn't name him GM, either. That seat's still open.


Might wind up having too many cooks in the kitchen again.
- Feeling Glucky?

Wasn't Phaneuf invited to team Canada orientation camp?

Phaneuf may be more of a Babcock type player than you believe.
- Pecafan Fan

Dion yes....phil no chance. i think dion had more suitors than phil because he's not a bad teammate, just not a leader. can't ever say he won't do anything to win though. Nonis said he had more offers for 3 than 81...not a better return, but more suitors

Babcock is hardwired to win at all times and at all costs. The firesale and the tanking require to give him the core he needs to become a winner isn't going to happen because it means losing, something Babcock won't do.

I hope they blow the team up and have a firesale but I see the odds of that drastically drop now.
- JohnFergusonJr

Wow who knew we had a hockey insider right here on HockeyBuzz. Here we were scanning twitter for updates from Dreger, Friedman and Bob McKenzie but all along we had you right here!

Regular Chips ‏@GoddTill 42s42 seconds ago

There's a real cognitive dissonance going on with those who say Babcock's hiring will derail the rebuild.


*Looks at U_G JFJ*
- lumlums

you franker

Wasn't Phaneuf invited to team Canada orientation camp?

Phaneuf may be more of a Babcock type player than you believe.
- Pecafan Fan

I was kinda thinking the same thing.

they guy knows how to get under my skin.

if this was on the ice he'd always put me in the bin for 2 minutes.
- Lee Denault

so you hate playing him but love him on your team eh? i wish iggy was a leafs fan so he could troll other teams for us

We get the best coach on the planet. Happens to be Canadian. Head coach for Team Canada. Gives instant credibility.

And leave it to UG to have a problem with it.

Wasn't Phaneuf invited to team Canada orientation camp?

Phaneuf may be more of a Babcock type player than you believe.
- Pecafan Fan

Yes, he was. Did anyone ever think he had a shot of making the team?

Widely reported by various media outlets that he is wickedly comeptitive and tanking is not in his agenda.
- JohnFergusonJr

So even though they suck and will not finish well with him coaching, you wouldn't want him to start coaching while they suck and teach them the right way?... Babcock will only prevent the team from sucking when it doesn't suck anymore, and then they will make the playoffs....

Widely reported by various media outlets that he is wickedly comeptitive and tanking is not in his agenda.
- JohnFergusonJr

Tanking is gutless and ruins the integrity of the sport. Good for Babcock.

Part of building it properly means getting rid of all the veterans and hitting rock bottom for a few more years. The odds of that happening now are drastically lower now.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yup. Just like Detroit did.