Don't you, you know..... Have to have been through a draft to, you know draft players?


- burn

This is the guy trying to preach patience, and suggest that intentionally tanking is the best way to do it.

Boston won a cup in 2011. Who did they tank for to get it? Just curious. Was it 2nd rounder Patrice Bergeron? 9th round Nordiques draft pick Tim Thomas? Nah must have been 2nd rounder, Krejci, or maybe FA signing, Chara.

I think he means that Zetterberg and Datsyuk would have been identified by modern scouts, because there would have been scouts present to see them, whereas back then, detroit was more heavily invested in euro scouting than anyone else.


He's wrong, IMO, just because there are other growing hockey markets that aren't scouted very heavily, so teams can take a jump on that.(SCOUT CHINA!)
- Feeling Glucky?

I agree.

And even some strongly scouted areas sometimes have players coming out of nowhere turning into superstars that everyone missed.

Happens less and less often but it happens.

Don't you, you know..... Have to have been through a draft to, you know draft players?


- burn

Yeah but until it happens multiple times and successfully might I add, how can anybody think that Hunter is a proven master of finding Cup winning talent in unconventional places?

People keep saying just like Hunter work his magic when nobody has actually seen him have successful magic.

I'm not saying he's bad for the job, I'm really happy he's the guy running the draft but that doesn't mean he's proven he's a spectacular drafter and thus why giving him some 1st overall picks would help him do his job immensely.

Detroit was playing the long game obviously!
- Cfser

just another part of their top notch development program

He should have proven he can draft good players BEFORE ever getting a chance to draft players! DUH!
- Cfser

Shanny isn't proven, this will never work. He doesn't know what to do.

datsyuk was passed over twice at the draft (96&97) by everyone
- Sammich

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.

I think Shanny still moves ahead with trading the players he wants to trade... some will be left over and Babcock probably gets them to play above expectations and the Leafs probably still draft in the bottom 5.

Be weary though folks if in the next 4 years the Leafs are continually drafting in that 5-10 range I doubt we'll be happy with that outcome.
- Mr_Smokey

I hope so. I hope they blow the team apart, get rid of everybody from Bernier to JVR to Kessel to Phaneuf to Bozak to pretty much anybody over 24 and draft 1st to 3rd for the next three years.

But I doubt it until I see it.

just another part of their top notch development program
- Sammich

At least they have one. The Leafs program was an Un-development program.

by that logic, every single quality draft pick outside of round 1 was based on luck and nothing more.
- DoubleDown

Not at all, they identified potential talent and drafted it. There is a large element of luck though or like I said they would have drafted those players over the ones who didn't perform as well who they drafted ahead of them.

Both of them were in Detroit far before Babcock under another guy named Bowman and the leadership group of Yzerman and Shanahan etc.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yes, but that doesn't mean he didn't learn from that and continue doing what they were doing before him. The Detroit model is to mirror the NHL team with the AHL team, so that everybody knows what's expected from them at each position, and when injuries happen, or players get traded or walk, there's a guy ready to fill their shoes exactly.

In addition, there is a consistent system they need to learn. Not like the 4 in 3 years we've seen with the Leafs.

datsyuk was passed over twice at the draft (96&97) by everyone
- Sammich

Well didnt he make everyone look dumb.

This is the guy trying to preach patience, and suggest that intentionally tanking is the best way to do it.

Boston won a cup in 2011. Who did they tank for to get it? Just curious. Was it 2nd rounder Patrice Bergeron? 9th round Nordiques draft pick Tim Thomas? Nah must have been 2nd rounder, Krejci, or maybe FA signing, Chara.
- TheThrill

This.

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.
- Atomic Wedgie

Cheater.

29 other teams have the same intention FYI
- DoubleDown

Well now the Leafs have brought the league wide total to 30. This is news.

Yeah but until it happens multiple times and successfully might I add, how can anybody think that Hunter is a proven master of finding Cup winning talent in unconventional places?

People keep saying just like Hunter work his magic when nobody has actually seen him have successful magic.

I'm not saying he's bad for the job, I'm really happy he's the guy running the draft but that doesn't mean he's proven he's a spectacular drafter and thus why giving him some 1st overall picks would help him do his job immensely.
- JohnFergusonJr

Why does it have to be in unconventional places?

I just want him to draft guys who can play. I don't care if that's from the OHL.

by that logic, every single quality draft pick outside of round 1 was based on luck and nothing more.
- DoubleDown

It's pretty accurate actually. The entire draft is luck, you're gambling on kids.... You get the best odds in the 1st round to find an impact player and after that it's typically roster filler.

This is the guy trying to preach patience, and suggest that intentionally tanking is the best way to do it.

Boston won a cup in 2011. Who did they tank for to get it? Just curious. Was it 2nd rounder Patrice Bergeron? 9th round Nordiques draft pick Tim Thomas? Nah must have been 2nd rounder, Krejci, or maybe FA signing, Chara.
- TheThrill

Boston did have it's bad years and were rewarded with Thornton 1st overall. They decided to stupidly trade him and replace him with Marc Savard but had they kept him they probably would have been just fine.

Just sayin'

Shanny isn't proven, this will never work. He doesn't know what to do.
- burn

He obviously doesn't know what to do because he never tells his plans to the media. That is no way to run a team!

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.
- Atomic Wedgie

That's because he hadn't met McNally and Jastremsky yet.

Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.
- Atomic Wedgie

That was an over inflated draft year though.

Why does it have to be in unconventional places?

I just want him to draft guys who can play. I don't care if that's from the OHL.
- Atomic Wedgie

It doesn't have to be but if the Leafs are drafting 15th instead of 1st, the odds of getting the guys they need are going to be much more difficult. Everybody wants to find McDavid at 15th but most of the time he's going 1st so to me, looking for McDavid at 15th or 25th or 120th is rather unconventional.

That was an over inflated draft year though.
- robin_steele264

Nice.

I hope so. I hope they blow the team apart, get rid of everybody from Bernier to JVR to Kessel to Phaneuf to Bozak to pretty much anybody over 24 and draft 1st to 3rd for the next three years.

But I doubt it until I see it.
- JohnFergusonJr

They will trade players it's not even worth worrying about. But what most people here fail to realize is the aspirations of getting a few years worth of top 3 picks are probably gone....

That was an over inflated draft year though.
- robin_steele264

If he dropped a half pound, he would be far better.

That was an over inflated draft year though.
- robin_steele264

Pretty sure he popped his first girlfriend by over inflating her. He NEVER made that mistake again!