think he is saying, Leafs are not getting Stamkos..
- PatC80

Just like we weren't getting Babcock

think he is saying, Leafs are not getting Stamkos..
- PatC80

That was implied yes.

i hope you are right. im preparing and expecting a LONG rebuild personally.
- clark_griswold

Agreed. It will take time for the new core to develop. You can't look at Calgary right now and say "that's what I expect to happen". In my opinion Calgary caught lightning in a bottle and I expect them to regress next season.

New Buzzword: PROCESS!
- Pecafan Fan

compete

solutions

the compete process solution.

I'm just messing with ya.

Signing Stamkos is always a good idea.

But it's amazing how things have changed from a couple of weeks ago since Babcock came on board.

Clearly optimism is back in Leafs land.
- Scabeh

Sorry man, I know you're good poop. Been a rough day.

Boss is all up in my business. keeps female doging at me for spending all day on some hockey site. What the (frank)s his problem

Just like we weren't getting Babcock
- TheThrill

Man that line is going to come in handy

Man that line is going to come in handy
- 1979AD

I had the same thought

If the Leafs want to follow the Detroit and Tampa Bay model, they should try and sign Nikita Zaitsev.

New Buzzword: PROCESS!
- Pecafan Fan

Western New Yorkers spell it PRAWCESS, but I think it means the same thing.

If the Leafs want to follow the Detroit and Tampa Bay model, they should try and sign Nikita Zaitsev.
- mykokes

Sorry man, I know you're good poop. Been a rough day.

Boss is all up in my business. keeps female doging at me for spending all day on some hockey site. What the (frank)s his problem
- TheThrill

Next thing you know he's gonna ask you to come in on time and not take your afternoon nap.

(frank)ing savage.

Much as people want to poop on all our guys, Rielly, Kadri, JVR, Bernier aren't (frank)ing terrible players.

It's a light-years better core than Stajan, Blake, Kaberle and Toskalol
- TheThrill

They aren't very good either unfortunately. Take away the age, kadri is still a 2nd line centre (on a good team i say 3rd. He's not a 2nd liner on any of the final 4 teams right now)

Bernier unproven and while i think he's good, he's not convinced anyone he's a #1

Rielly, no doubt. building block

JVR i like but he's far overrated simply by his contract

agree light years ahead of the 2008-9 roster, but is that a great thing really? couldn't get worse

If the Leafs want to follow the Detroit and Tampa Bay model, they should try and sign Nikita Zaitsev.
- mykokes

If he's related to famed Russian WWII sniper Vasily Zaitsev, I'm in!

how old are you? not being a jerk..just wondering?

im 34. i've seen your quick rebuild on the fly fail several times. i would gladly take 5 years, hell 7 years to get it right. not just a playoff team, a CONTENDING team.

seems the younger fans are more impatient. A rushed rebuild takes years, or decades to repair. we are still reeling huge from the kessel deal, 6 years later. that's just one trade. don't get me started on JFJ
- clark_griswold

I'm 36.
As said... a 5-7y rebuild (I'm reading this as 5y+ 'tank seasons') is not a sure formula for success.
I guess it's a mentality as well - I don't like not to not try to win on purpose. If you're Arizona or Florida, maybe - an original 6 team should never do a 'let's lose next five years with hope to win in 10 years').
Better fail trying than fail to try (and way better fail trying than try to fail).

Next thing you know he's gonna ask you to come in on time and not take your afternoon nap.

(frank)ing savage.
- Scabeh

That's the day I look for a new job. I hear Buffalo has an opening at head coach...

New Buzzword: PROCESS!
- Pecafan Fan

I've been processing something. DAMN that smell. Must be almost fully cooked.

If he's related to famed Russian WWII sniper Vasily Zaitsev, I'm in!
- 1979AD

I shoot, you die... I don't miss.

if leafs can't sign a legit top GM (ie Poile) I would not be surprised if they went completely out of the box and get a GM in place like Theo Epstein or Billy Beane.

If the Leafs want to follow the Detroit and Tampa Bay model, they should try and sign Nikita Zaitsev.
- mykokes

And Fabien Brunnstrom

just messing with you...no risk, sure why not. but chances of him working out are slim. no risk though again, so sure

New Buzzword: PROCESS!
- Pecafan Fan

First step of that process better be trading away all the veterans for a pile of picks and prospects.

I shoot, you die... I don't miss.


- PatC80

Did you see the American Sniper movie ?

If he's related to famed Russian WWII sniper Vasily Zaitsev, I'm in!
- 1979AD

He's got nothing on Simo Häyhä.

if leafs can't sign a legit top GM (ie Poile) I would not be surprised if they went completely out of the box and get a GM in place like Theo Epstein or Billy Beane.
- MaximusAurelius

I can't be the only one who thinks hiring a coach before hiring his boss is weird and probably means the man who gets the job won't be a top dog in the buisness?

No?

I mean if things start going badly, Babcock isn't getting canned, Shanahan will turn around and fire the GM/sacrificial lamb.

If the Leafs want to follow the Detroit and Tampa Bay model, they should try and sign Nikita Zaitsev.
- mykokes

He could replace Phaneuf immediately.

I'm 36.
As said... a 5-7y rebuild (I'm reading this as 5y+ 'tank seasons') is not a sure formula for success.
I guess it's a mentality as well - I don't like not to not try to win on purpose. If you're Arizona or Florida, maybe - an original 6 team should never do a 'let's lose next five years with hope to win in 10 years').
Better fail trying than fail to try (and way better fail trying than try to fail).
- MaximusAurelius

i never said it's a sure formula, but rushing IS a sure failure. i also don't want to tank on purpose. it's going to happen naturally. we have stunk when we tried to win; now we are fine with losing - how do you think it's going to go?

if turning around a franchise was that easy, no GM would ever be fired