I'll respond to you, point is you can't just blame Carlyle like Glucky and Burn are doing. Somehow absolving the players of any wrongdoing
- PatC80

I'm with you. I still think Carlyle was and is a good coach. It's not like he was saying 'No worries about the shots against guys, can't you see we're winning!' I do think it was his time to go though.

I thought you were arguing Carlyle was a bad coach? I'm confused now.
- 1979AD

He is. Horachek is worse... But Carlyle is still bad.

A good coach would have maximized the team's strengths and minimized their weaknesses. Carlyle maximized both.


When your team can't defend for poop, maybe sitting back and letting the other team attack for the majority of the game is a bad strategy. Dontcha think?

I think that's the beauty of Babcock... he had hundreds of different Red Wings buying in ALL THE TIME for 10 years. Even the really good coaches are switching teams every 5 years or so when their 'message gets stale'.

At the same time, it's not fair to blame a coach that's been with a team for a few years when they team starts tuning him out. This happens to almost everyone (except Babcock).
- 1979AD

I'm happy Babcock is here.

I don't think the Leafs will be much better next year, as I think this roster still has giant holes.

But at the very least, it will be more interesting to watch them next year.

If they keep Kessel, it will be fascinating to watch. Will he buy in? Will his give a poop meter go higher?

IMHO, if they keep Kessel, they have to get rid of Bozak.

That's not true. Insubordination doesn't make you a better employee, professionalism does, however.
- Jeropotato

whoa dude - take it easy on me with all the big words.

that's why Kadri received more pp time and points...can you keep up?
- Garnie

His scored more /60, so his amount of games don't matter. hard to keep up?

Kadri got mins, but he produced..... But don't give him mins again the next year.

Nick Kypreos @RealKyper

Add Saginaw Spirit GM Jim Paliafito to list of new faces on #Leafs hockey dept team. Interesting to see in what capacity.

Fact is, until Horachek took over they were a lot closer to proving me right than proving you right... Something you seem to overlook quite a bit.

But hey, keep taking that high road
- Feeling Glucky?

high road? i won the bet.

You're a sweet kid Gluck. Top line talent. amazing.
- clark_griswold

Sorry. Forgot that the only facts that matter are the ones that agree with you.

He is. Horachek is worse... But Carlyle is still bad.

A good coach would have maximized the team's strengths and minimized their weaknesses. Carlyle maximized both.


When your team can't defend for poop, maybe sitting back and letting the other team attack for the majority of the game is a bad strategy. Dontcha think?
- Feeling Glucky?

Maybe you shouldn't use the early season under Carlyle to support the fact you had high expectations for the team to start the year then.

high road? i won the bet.
- clark_griswold

And bringing it up in every conversation when you have not better argument is the high road, absolutely.

I'm happy Babcock is here.

I don't think the Leafs will be much better next year, as I think this roster still has giant holes.

But at the very least, it will be more interesting to watch them next year.

If they keep Kessel, it will be fascinating to watch. Will he buy in? Will his give a poop meter go higher?

IMHO, if they keep Kessel, they have to get rid of Bozak.
- Atomic Wedgie

(frank) (frank)ing Kessel. (frank) him and Phaneuf. (frank) them, I hate them. (frank) them both.

When Dubas said they wanted to have an elite development program, he wasn't (frank)ing around

http://theleafsnation.com...lvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

He is. Horachek is worse... But Carlyle is still bad.

A good coach would have maximized the team's strengths and minimized their weaknesses. Carlyle maximized both.


When your team can't defend for poop, maybe sitting back and letting the other team attack for the majority of the game is a bad strategy. Dontcha think?
- Feeling Glucky?

because the team sucks Gluck. It's not hard to realize. the same core was a bottom 5 or 10 team 7 of 8 years. the excuses kind of run out at that point don't you think?

i get you WANT the leafs to be good. But life doesn't always work out that way

It's always fun seeing someone correct someone when that original person is right....

http://war-on-ice.com/playertable.html
- burn

the p/60 comparable for Kadri are some elite players.. I dont even bother to post them, it doesnt matter to most.. there is something about Kadri that rubs fans the wrong way.. minds are made up on him.. stats dont matter then

He is not perfect..but at the moment the best center option the leafs have.

When Dubas said they wanted to have an elite development program, he wasn't (frank)ing around

http://theleafsnation.com...lvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
- TheThrill

Late

Nick Kypreos @RealKyper

Add Saginaw Spirit GM Jim Paliafito to list of new faces on #Leafs hockey dept team. Interesting to see in what capacity.
- lumlums

You always beat me by mere seconds. Quick on the trigger, Lums!

Maybe you shouldn't use the early season under Carlyle to support the fact you had high expectations for the team to start the year then.
- 1979AD

?

And bringing it up in every conversation when you have not better argument is the high road, absolutely.
- Feeling Glucky?

did i bring it up or did you?

His scored more /60, so his amount of games don't matter. hard to keep up?

Kadri got mins, but he produced..... But don't give him mins again the next year.
- burn

exactly...Bozak also produced...same amount of points as Kadri in 20 less games.

50 points in 78 games or 49 points in 58 games

which is the better stat?

So where's that guy that was sooo SURE that we wouldnt give up a 3rd for Babcock?

Nick Kypreos @RealKyper

Add Saginaw Spirit GM Jim Paliafito to list of new faces on #Leafs hockey dept team. Interesting to see in what capacity.
- lumlums

I saw a Spirit home game last year.

It took me four days to hitchhike there...

His scored more /60, so his amount of games don't matter. hard to keep up?

Kadri got mins, but he produced..... But don't give him mins again the next year.
- burn

Burn...i suggest you stop using these

can really come back to bite you down the road. Just my 2 cents.

You always beat me by mere seconds. Quick on the trigger, Lums!
- TheThrill

It's why Mrs Lums loves me!!!





Wait, what...?

Burn...i suggest you stop using these

can really come back to bite you down the road. Just my 2 cents.
- clark_griswold

that's how he roles....

wait until RC gets fired...look out playoffs

(frank) (frank)ing Kessel. (frank) him and Phaneuf. (frank) them, I hate them. (frank) them both.
- 1979AD

What are you trying to tell me here, Tony?