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SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

May 21 @ 12:19 AM ET
Top end skill, edge probably goes to JvR. Both are streaky-as are a lot of good offensive players. Intangibles definitely swing to Simmonds, though.

Overall I'd lean to JvR, maybe not a huge difference, but enough of one that I'm comfortable in choosing.

That's not a knock on Simmonds, BTW. I think JvR has elite level skills if he ever puts it all together.

- Jsaquella

This is fair and I couldn't agree more.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

May 21 @ 1:24 AM ET
Top end skill, edge probably goes to JvR. Both are streaky-as are a lot of good offensive players. Intangibles definitely swing to Simmonds, though.

Overall I'd lean to JvR, maybe not a huge difference, but enough of one that I'm comfortable in choosing.

That's not a knock on Simmonds, BTW. I think JvR has elite level skills if he ever puts it all together.

- Jsaquella


Just my opinion - but i take Simmer without question.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 21 @ 1:33 AM ET
Top end skill, edge probably goes to JvR. Both are streaky-as are a lot of good offensive players. Intangibles definitely swing to Simmonds, though.

Overall I'd lean to JvR, maybe not a huge difference, but enough of one that I'm comfortable in choosing.

That's not a knock on Simmonds, BTW. I think JvR has elite level skills if he ever puts it all together.

- Jsaquella

Well said. I agree. JvR could have become a really dominant top 5 player I think if he pushed his game up a notch. That Boston playoff when he was on the Flyers showed glimpses of his potential greatness. I feel like he's settled into a comfort zone in Toronto the past couple seasons and don't see him ever reaching that superstar level.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 21 @ 1:43 AM ET
Just my opinion - but i take Simmer without question.
- wilsonecho91

Yeah I think I'm with you on that. Like Jasquella stated - Simmonds brings more intangibles to the table. I think his energy, toughness and leadership are a value that JvR can't match. I also think Simmonds can become a much more productive player 5-on-5 if placed on the right unit.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 21 @ 3:07 AM ET
Yeah I think I'm with you on that. Like Jasquella stated - Simmonds brings more intangibles to the table. I think his energy, toughness and leadership are a value that JvR can't match. I also think Simmonds can become a much more productive player 5-on-5 if placed on the right unit.
- Pixote Andolini

No question Simmer has the intangibles but JVR has the skill by a mile. Simmer is an average skater. I would take JVR over him on this team right now. If we get a skilled LW for te 1st or 2nd line this summer, then I would take Simmer. It's about needs.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 21 @ 5:53 AM ET
youre insistence on not trading for yandle is quite puzzling too i might add... you champion the cause of much lesser blueliners.
- JoeRussomanno


Not puzzling at all. The Flyers need a top 2 way defenseman that can play in all situations. As I stated earlier the Flyers already have two offensive minded defenseman in Streit and Del Zotto. They can't afford to give up top assets to acquire another one dimensional offensive defenseman.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 21 @ 5:56 AM ET
Just my opinion - but i take Simmer without question.
- wilsonecho91



As would I. JVR is highly overrated by some as a player.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 21 @ 8:23 AM ET
JvR no fight
JvR worthless
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 21 @ 8:39 AM ET
Is there an assumption that JVR actually develops into an average defender? He has shown zero interest in playing defense in Toronto.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 21 @ 8:42 AM ET
Lightning have played 16 playoff games so far this year. They have a +9 goal differential, yet somehow good old Matt Carle is a -6.

-1 last night in a tidy 1:36 of ice time.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 21 @ 8:42 AM ET
Is there an assumption that JVR actually develops into an average defender? He has shown zero interest in playing defense in Toronto.
- ravishingone


Just following the example of their leadership group.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 21 @ 8:43 AM ET
Leightqvist.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 21 @ 8:43 AM ET
Leightqvist.
- Feanor


Reminded me of Danny Markov on Brodeur in 2004.




Will never forget that goal. Stood in line for 3 hours and missed 2 classes because Rowan was selling $20 tickets to the game. I think they had like 80 tickets. Got mine with about 10 people to spare.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 21 @ 8:52 AM ET
Reminded me of Danny Markov on Brodeur in 2004.




Will never forget that goal. Stood in line for 3 hours and missed 2 classes because Rowan was selling $20 tickets to the game. I think they had like 80 tickets. Got mine with about 10 people to spare.

- jmatchett383



I went and saw two games of that series in NJ, and I remember the upper bowl being totally empty, and there were more Flyers fans than Devils fans. It was quite pathetic.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 21 @ 8:53 AM ET
Reminded me of Danny Markov on Brodeur in 2004.




Will never forget that goal. Stood in line for 3 hours and missed 2 classes because Rowan was selling $20 tickets to the game. I think they had like 80 tickets. Got mine with about 10 people to spare.

- jmatchett383


Wow, Markov, Zhamnov, and Malakhov bring back a lot of memories. Malakhov was one of those guys who had elite skill, but just couldn't put it together for long periods of time. I really hope the Medvedev siging is a prelude to getting Zaitsev also.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 21 @ 8:56 AM ET
I went and saw two games of that series in NJ, and I remember the upper bowl being totally empty, and there were more Flyers fans than Devils fans. It was quite pathetic.
- MBFlyerfan


Sounds like a SCF game in NJ. I think Phantoms playoff games outdrew Devils ones.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 21 @ 8:58 AM ET
Wow, Markov, Zhamnov, and Malakhov bring back a lot of memories. Malakhov was one of those guys who had elite skill, but just couldn't put it together for long periods of time. I really hope the Medvedev siging is a prelude to getting Zaitsev also.
- ravishingone


Markov should have been retained. Letting him walk was a mistake. But both Zhamnov and Amonte were 2 of the better "past their prime" rentals that Clarke got. They were both contributors during that run. Malakhov was thrust into a bigger role that he needed since Desjardins was out and Jonsson was playing with a broken hand/arm (forget which). But yeah, he never quite got to the next level.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 21 @ 8:59 AM ET
What a guy!

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 21 @ 9:03 AM ET
What a guy!


- PLindbergh31


Leight. The Phillies gave her a bunch of free stuff including a signed bat by Franco and she got to meet him. The guy who got the ball got like some free vouchers or something.

But yeah, that dude is an bumhole. Of course the national media latched onto the "Typical Philadelphia fan" narrative.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 21 @ 9:05 AM ET
Leight. The Phillies gave her a bunch of free stuff including a signed bat by Franco and she got to meet him. The guy who got the ball got like some free vouchers or something.
- jmatchett383


Good. I'm glad the Phillies made it right. What a complete asshat ripping a ball away from an older woman.
benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 09.22.2014

May 21 @ 9:09 AM ET
What a guy!


- PLindbergh31



What a doosh.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 21 @ 9:16 AM ET
Lightning have played 16 playoff games so far this year. They have a +9 goal differential, yet somehow good old Matt Carle is a -6.

-1 last night in a tidy 1:36 of ice time.

- PLindbergh31


Criminally underrated
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 21 @ 9:19 AM ET
Criminally underrated
- Just5


If he's out for the series, the Lightnings odd to win just increased.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 21 @ 9:20 AM ET
What % of goaltenders who have never won a Cup, that have the nickname "The King" have given up a combined 11 goals in consecutive playoff games?
- PLindbergh31


You're taking the lazy, easy narrative, view.

Tampa is fast and swarming the Rangers. They don't know how to deal with it and are playing terribly as a consequence.

But yes, that OT goal is one he'd surely love another shot at.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 21 @ 9:21 AM ET
Reminded me of Danny Markov on Brodeur in 2004.




Will never forget that goal. Stood in line for 3 hours and missed 2 classes because Rowan was selling $20 tickets to the game. I think they had like 80 tickets. Got mine with about 10 people to spare.

- jmatchett383


I think I was at the Phils game that day and I think it was the first year of Citizen's Bank ballpark. We ditched the baseball game early though to watch the Flyers at McFadden's. The place went nuts when Markov scored that goal. Usually, it was the Devils that scored those "how the (frank) did our goalie not stop that" goals.
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