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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 20 @ 10:02 PM ET
After the deadline hextall intimated that he would have liked to move more players out but he didn't want to completely gut their slight playoff chances

So yes more moves coming and I agree they are 1 and 1a

- Just5


OK. I gotta ask:

Do you really think you can trade one Schenn and not the other?

Yes, they are professionals. Yes, in theory, you SHOULD be able to.

But in reality...you traded somebody's brother! Can they really move one Schenn and not the other?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 20 @ 10:03 PM ET
I would personally add Simmonds to that list of Giroux, Voracek and Mason..

and maybe Rimaldo..

- opeth_pa

he's average at even strength and most likely our best trading chip to upgrade the blueline.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 20 @ 10:04 PM ET
OK. I gotta ask:

Do you really think you can trade one Schenn and not the other?

Yes, they are professionals. Yes, in theory, you SHOULD be able to.

But in reality...you traded somebody's brother! Can they really move one Schenn and not the other?

- AllInForFlyers

their on the same hockey team, not in the same womb, yes you can move one, but nobody will care if both go.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 10:07 PM ET
OK. I gotta ask:

Do you really think you can trade one Schenn and not the other?

Yes, they are professionals. Yes, in theory, you SHOULD be able to.

But in reality...you traded somebody's brother! Can they really move one Schenn and not the other?

- AllInForFlyers


Absolutely! Not even a factor in my opinion.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 10:07 PM ET
their on the same hockey team, not in the same womb, yes you can move one, but nobody will care if both go.
- JoeRussomanno


Spokesman for nobody?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 20 @ 10:07 PM ET
their on the same hockey team, not in the same womb, yes you can move one, but nobody will care if both go.
- JoeRussomanno

I think the Flyers would be silly to move B. Schenn at this point in his career. I'm definitely in the minority here but I believe B. Schenn will turn into a player the Flyers don't want to give up on just yet.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 10:08 PM ET
he's average at even strength and most likely our best trading chip to upgrade the blueline.
- JoeRussomanno


Put a playmaker with Simmonds and I bet he's not so average at even strength.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 20 @ 10:08 PM ET
Man, that was an absolutely filthy pass by Hayes -- wow
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 20 @ 10:09 PM ET
he's average at even strength and most likely our best trading chip to upgrade the blueline.
- JoeRussomanno


And he is a major point producer on the PP plus brings toughness.

I think you could make the case either way.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 20 @ 10:10 PM ET
Spokesman for nobody?
- MJL

metaphorically
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 20 @ 10:10 PM ET
Put a playmaker with Simmonds and I bet he's not so average at even strength.
- MJL

they havent tried him with giroux and voracek?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 20 @ 10:12 PM ET
And he is a major point producer on the PP plus brings toughness.

I think you could make the case either way.

- opeth_pa

so pp specialist > than top pairing defenseman?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 10:12 PM ET
they havent tried him with giroux and voracek?
- JoeRussomanno


He had to play the left side on that line, and had trouble adjusting. He's a RW.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 10:13 PM ET
so pp specialist > than top pairing defenseman?
- JoeRussomanno


Simmonds is more than just a PP specialist. What top pairing defenseman do you think the Flyers could trade Simmonds for?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 20 @ 10:17 PM ET
Simmonds is more than just a PP specialist. What top pairing defenseman do you think the Flyers could trade Simmonds for?
- MJL

i dont know any particular defenseman but then again neither does anyone else, but simmonds would most likely have to be part of a package.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 20 @ 10:17 PM ET
Simmonds is more than just a PP specialist. What top pairing defenseman do you think the Flyers could trade Simmonds for?
- MJL

he's not exactly a penalty killer either.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 10:19 PM ET
i dont know any particular defenseman but then again neither does anyone else, but simmonds would most likely have to be part of a package.
- JoeRussomanno


Package is the key word. Simmonds along won't get it done. Teams aren't trading top pair defenseman these days, especially young ones, or younger players who have the potential to be top pairing defenseman.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

May 20 @ 10:19 PM ET
OK. I gotta ask:

Do you really think you can trade one Schenn and not the other?

Yes, they are professionals. Yes, in theory, you SHOULD be able to.

But in reality...you traded somebody's brother! Can they really move one Schenn and not the other?

- AllInForFlyers


Of course you can. Why would one brother hold back the other from a better opportunity?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

May 20 @ 10:19 PM ET
they havent tried him with giroux and voracek?
- JoeRussomanno

They did but I don't think he was given a long enough look to actually get comfortable in the role. Like MJL pointed out he's an RW. I don't he received more than a handful of shift with G/Jake.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 10:20 PM ET
he's not exactly a penalty killer either.
- JoeRussomanno


Nope, but he's a good player at ES. His career best 60 point season, his PP and ES point totals were pretty evenly split. Play him with a playmaking center or LW, and he'll score at ES.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 20 @ 10:21 PM ET
Package is the key word. Simmonds along won't get it done. Teams aren't trading top pair defenseman these days, especially young ones, or younger players who have the potential to be top pairing defenseman.
- MJL

so no defensemen capable of being at least a 1b were traded in the past year?
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 20 @ 10:25 PM ET
Simmonds is more than just a PP specialist. What top pairing defenseman do you think the Flyers could trade Simmonds for?
- MJL


None. The only possible top pairing dman who could come available this summer is Brent Seabrook. He probably comes available because of the extension he is going to want, the Hawks probably won't be able to give him with the extensions of Toews and Kane kicking in. Also, the Hawks would probably want cheaper assets to help alleviate their cap issues.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 20 @ 10:26 PM ET
so pp specialist > than top pairing defenseman?
- JoeRussomanno


Exactly what are you basing your "Simmonds is a PP specialist" thought on?

He had 50 points this season and 14 of those were on the PP.
Last season he had 60 points and 15 of those were on the PP.
Since 2011/2012 he has averaged 25 goals a season and would have broke 30 this season.

Beyond the obvious stats above...

What top pairing dman are you getting for any package that doesnt involve 1 of Giroux or Voracek?

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 10:27 PM ET
so no defensemen capable of being at least a 1b were traded in the past year?
- JoeRussomanno


Yandle!!!!!!!!



Wouldn't trade for him. The Flyers already have Streit and Del Zotto. Yandle is not the right player for the Flyers.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 20 @ 10:27 PM ET
Yandle!!!!!!!!



Wouldn't trade for him. The Flyers already have Streit and Del Zotto. Yandle is not the right player for the Flyers.

- MJL

zach bogosian?
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