Manning had always looked at the very least capable of holding his own over the multiple callups he's had. IMO there's no reason luke schenn should be higher on the depth chart than manning
- Just5

I agree, Manning's 21 NHL games are equal to Schenn's 494. This reminds of a few years ago with Lauridsen, and how he can easily replace Grossmann. You want to know one reason why Schenn should be higher on the depth chart than Manning? Schenn is better!

I agree, Manning's 21 NHL games are equal to Schenn's 494. This reminds of a few years ago with Lauridsen, and how he can easily replace Grossmann. You want to know one reason why Schenn should be higher on the depth chart than Manning? Schenn is better!
- MJL

Well let's just see if Schenn is better this year. Like you said before, it would be nice to see the Flyers get some value from a lower cap hit player. IMO Manning deserves his fair shot. I for one never thought of Lauridsen as an NHL player. Manning is simply much better than him.
Schenn has NOT improved his game . He has had 7 years to do so and remains inconsistent therefore no loss if he is moved

Well let's just see if Schenn is better this year. Like you said before, it would be nice to see the Flyers get some value from a lower cap hit player. IMO Manning deserves his fair shot. I for one never thought of Lauridsen as an NHL player. Manning is simply much better than him.
Schenn has NOT improved his game . He has had 7 years to do so and remains inconsistent therefore no loss if he is moved
- 3flyerkids

Actually it would be a loss, despite his inconsistency, he is still a solid, physical NHL defenseman. Unfortunately there is a salary cap and the Flyers need to trim some salary. I agree and also think that Manning is better than Lauridsen.

Schenn has played 7 seasons in the NHL. He has proven one thing. He is a VERY inconsistent hockey player and at 3.5 M that is not value.
If Manning shows up to camp and plays like he did last year then he deserves to be on this team. I wouldn't worry about the loss of Schenn if tHey choose to trade him.
If Manning is horrible in camp then yes.. Send him down.
I just want Manning to get a solid chance as he deserves it
- 3flyerkids

I'm probably in the minority here, but I value L. Schenn's cap space more than I value him. I'd like to see Manning get a shot because he is cheaper. The Flyers are probably not going to be a contender right away, so if Manning can't play its not going to be massively detrimental. We have to shed some D, might as well start with Schenn.

I'd continue with Grossmann, and if they're as bad as I think they're going to be next year, I would move Streit at the deadline if there is a suitable return coming back.


edit: i'd continue by MOVING Grossmann.. that was poorly worded

Can't help but laugh at anyone still complaining about the Umberger deal. It should be judged in years 4 and 5 by what Hartnell is producing against what we spend the cap space on.

On principle we were always getting the worse player in the short run.
- hereticpride

It's a bad trade whether you look at it now or in 5 years

Actually it would be a loss, despite his inconsistency, he is still a solid, physical NHL defenseman. Unfortunately there is a salary cap and the Flyers need to trim some salary. I agree and also think that Manning is better than Lauridsen.
- MJL

To be honest I didn't see a lot of Phantom games but by the looks of Mannings pim's and from what I saw when he was with the Flyers... He looks to be pretty physical himself.

Can't help but laugh at anyone still complaining about the Umberger deal. It should be judged in years 4 and 5 by what Hartnell is producing against what we spend the cap space on.

On principle we were always getting the worse player in the short run.
- hereticpride

Laugh away. We don't know what the team will look like in 4 or 5 years. Five years ago we made it to the Stanley Cup Final but most recently didn't make the playoffs. I give you credit for being optimistic but we don't know what the money will be spent on in 5 years from now. It's a bad trade regardless.

Can't help but laugh at anyone still complaining about the Umberger deal. It should be judged in years 4 and 5 by what Hartnell is producing against what we spend the cap space on.

On principle we were always getting the worse player in the short run.
- hereticpride

granted i doubt anyone thought umby would be that bad but not sure how people missed the ultimate purpose of that trade

Manning had always looked at the very least capable of holding his own over the multiple callups he's had. IMO there's no reason luke schenn should be higher on the depth chart than manning
- Just5

Schenn is inconsistent, but yet he's been in the NHL for 7 years, and has had some solid NHL seasons. Manning who's played less then 20 NHL games is anointed as being a better player. Sounds familiar. Just insert a different name, such as Syvret, Lauridsen, Akeson. All were handed a spot on the team based on a small sample of games.
I'm all for Manning getting a shot at it, but my guess is that if Schenn and Manning are competing for a spot, I would give Schenn the edge. If Manning earns a spot, which means he's better than or at least close enough to where the cap value tips the scale then I'm all for it. It would be great for a low priced player to provide some value to the Flyers. I'm not at all against trading Schenn in the right deal, but not looking to give him away. It will all play out, they just added another player to the mix. We'll see what happens around the draft.
- MJL

I think we should give away the entire Flyers roster to give each player on the Phantoms roster a chance because one player might be better than another, with a cheaper cap hit.

It's a bad trade whether you look at it now or in 5 years
- PhillySportsGuy

i disagree. hartnell's production might have put us the playoffs. i watch these teams playing now and i think the flyers have a ways to go so i doubt we win the cup and we'd be picking at 20 again instead of 7. add the cap savings that start next year (or sooner if hexy can manage it) and i don't mind it at all

i disagree. hartnell's production might have put us the playoffs. i watch these teams playing now and i think the flyers have a ways to go so i doubt we win the cup and we'd be picking at 20 again instead of 7. add the cap savings that start next year (or sooner if hexy can manage it) and i don't mind it at all
- hogweed

I think the cap savings is overrated. Where will the cap savings be spent? Well, it might be spent developing another player as we continue to attempt to make steps forward but it also goes towards raises. As we watch Brayden Schenn, Sean Couturier, Samuel Morin and Travis Sanheim takes steps forward, the only way the team is going to take steps forward is by winning. From my understanding Hextall still wants to add a Defenseman and a skilled forward, whomever these players might be. This skilled forward could have been Hartnell.

I think we should give away the entire Flyers roster to give each player on the Phantoms roster a chance because one player might be better than another, with a cheaper cap hit.
- SuperSchennBros

Manning has only played 20 games that is true. He has earned the chance at a legit spot in the top 7, and yes he does have a great cap hit.
Schenn had played 7 seasons and has not improved. Schenn's cap hit of 3.5 could be better spent.
All I am a saying is give Manning a chance. Just because Schenn is a " veteran" doesn't give him the right to a spot either. Especially for a guy iwho ihasshown steady inconsistency

I agree, Manning's 21 NHL games are equal to Schenn's 494. This reminds of a few years ago with Lauridsen, and how he can easily replace Grossmann. You want to know one reason why Schenn should be higher on the depth chart than Manning? Schenn is better!
- MJL

True. 3 years later I'm still eating crow on lauridsen I'll admit.

I can be right on certain things. Like how I hated the luke schenn trade from the beginning and how I said luke schenns are available every summer of every year for cheaper. All that is right, I remember getting shot down on that

i disagree. hartnell's production might have put us the playoffs. i watch these teams playing now and i think the flyers have a ways to go so i doubt we win the cup and we'd be picking at 20 again instead of 7. add the cap savings that start next year (or sooner if hexy can manage it) and i don't mind it at all
- hogweed

Cap savings don't come until 2017 unless you plan on buying out Umberger, which just prolongs his cap hit at a lesser amount.

If you really believe that Umberger and a 4th was the best offer on the table then I don't know what to tell ya. I think Hexy just wanted to move Hartnell and was familiar with Umberger so he pulled the trigger.

If they wanted to dump salary, they should have dumped salary instead of taking back 3 years of the same salary.

If they wanted to get a player that help the team, they should have done that instead.

Hexy tried to play both sides of it and got burned. If Columbus made Hartnell available now, they could move him for a pick without taking back any salary. Instead, the Flyers are stuck with a player who can't even contribute on the 4th line.

Manning has only played 20 games that is true. He has earned the chance at a legit spot in the top 7, and yes he does have a great cap hit.
Schenn had played 7 seasons and has not improved. Schenn's cap hit of 3.5 could be better spent.
All I am a saying is give Manning a chance. Just because Schenn is a " veteran" doesn't give him the right to a spot either. Especially for a guy iwho ihasshown steady inconsistency
- 3flyerkids

Would you be okay with Brandon Manning as our 7th defenseman?

Cap savings don't come until 2017 unless you plan on buying out Umberger, which just prolongs his cap hit at a lesser amount.

If you really believe that Umberger and a 4th was the best offer on the table then I don't know what to tell ya. I think Hexy just wanted to move Hartnell and was familiar with Umberger so he pulled the trigger.

If they wanted to dump salary, they should have dumped salary instead of taking back 3 years of the same salary.

If they wanted to get a player that help the team, they should have done that instead.

Hexy tried to play both sides of it and got burned. If Columbus made Hartnell available now, they could move him for a pick without taking back any salary. Instead, the Flyers are stuck with a player who can't even contribute on the 4th line.
- PhillySportsGuy

bump

Would you be okay with Brandon Manning as our 7th defenseman?
- SuperSchennBros

If he shows that consistent level of play in training camp that he displayed last year when he was called up, he deserves at least a top 7 min

I'm probably in the minority here, but I value L. Schenn's cap space more than I value him. I'd like to see Manning get a shot because he is cheaper. The Flyers are probably not going to be a contender right away, so if Manning can't play its not going to be massively detrimental. We have to shed some D, might as well start with Schenn.

I'd continue with Grossmann, and if they're as bad as I think they're going to be next year, I would move Streit at the deadline if there is a suitable return coming back.


edit: i'd continue by MOVING Grossmann.. that was poorly worded
- Doc_Sarcasm

Looking at the cap angle is reasonable in my opinion. If a player like Manning can come in and play solid minutes, then that's great. It's hard to have 7M tied up on the 3rd pair defense.

It's a bad trade whether you look at it now or in 5 years
- PhillySportsGuy

Not necessarily. This is where fans thinking still hasn't wrapped their heads around a cap world. If the Flyers turn this deal into cap savings down the line, then what they do with that cap space has to be included as part of the trade. That was one reason why it was made. Can't just ignore the potential of that when looking at the trade down the line.

True. 3 years later I'm still eating crow on lauridsen I'll admit.

I can be right on certain things. Like how I hated the luke schenn trade from the beginning and how I said luke schenns are available every summer of every year for cheaper. All that is right, I remember getting shot down on that
- Just5

None of the above addressed the point of Manning being ahead of Schenn on the depth chart. It's just deflecting.

Not necessarily. This is where fans thinking still hasn't wrapped their heads around a cap world. If the Flyers turn this deal into cap savings down the line, then what they do with that cap space has to be included as part of the trade. That was one reason why it was made. Can't just ignore the potential of that when looking at the trade down the line.
- MJL

So if we trade Giroux for Phaneuf, we can't decide if it was a good trade until 2022 to see what the Flyers did with that one year of $8M?

If he shows that consistent level of play in training camp that he displayed last year when he was called up, he deserves at least a top 7 min
- 3flyerkids

What if there are 7 defenseman that are playing better since we are speaking hypothetically?
We all know that cap wise, they can't keep them all, especially now that they signed Medvedev. I think that Manning will get a chance to earn a spot on the team.

Not necessarily. This is where fans thinking still hasn't wrapped their heads around a cap world. If the Flyers turn this deal into cap savings down the line, then what they do with that cap space has to be included as part of the trade. That was one reason why it was made. Can't just ignore the potential of that when looking at the trade down the line.
- MJL

Nick Leddy and Johnny Boychuk didn't magically appear on the Isles roster, that's for sure -- in a cap world, having space matters

It's not always going to shake out like that. But look at Toronto. They were literally able to take themselves out of cap jail not because they had cap space, but because Columbus couldn't handle paying Nathan Horton to not play, in a cap world

The final verdict on that deal has yet to be written; I agree. It's lopsided after Year 1, but there are years left for this to play out

Looking at the cap angle is reasonable in my opinion. If a player like Manning can come in and play solid minutes, then that's great. It's hard to have 7M tied up on the 3rd pair defense.
- MJL

That's what I have been trying to say. Schenn has shown 3rd pairing ability