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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 1:46 PM ET
Any mention of if its a 1 way or 2 way deal? I would guess 1 way and that would give us what 8 guys on 1 way deals?

What about bringing back Gus? He'd be cheap and effective. You could move high price dman like Streit and then a Grossmann and save yourself roughly 5 million in cap hit while still adding depth.

- tjp2033



He isn't coming over here for a 2 way deal. Gustafsson wasn't that effective when he was here the first time. It would be a mistake to trade Streit in my opinion, unless the return was too good to pass up.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 20 @ 1:46 PM ET
I remember Game 4 of the 07/08 Pens series when he beat the piss out of the dude after Upshall charged a player late in the game.

And him popping a few of Crosby's baby teeth out.

- jmatchett383

I walked into the third period of that game without a ticket after attending the Phillies game. Good times, can't believe nobody saw.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

May 20 @ 1:47 PM ET
Leafs have offered him 8mill a year
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

May 20 @ 1:47 PM ET
This is going to be a great draft. I have a feeling Hextall will be making some noise. I am anxiously waiting to see where this all goes.
- J35Bacher

+1
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 20 @ 1:48 PM ET
Any mention of if its a 1 way or 2 way deal? I would guess 1 way and that would give us what 8 guys on 1 way deals?

What about bringing back Gus? He'd be cheap and effective. You could move high price dman like Streit and then a Grossmann and save yourself roughly 5 million in cap hit while still adding depth.

- tjp2033


Quite simply because Gus doesn't do any particular thing well enough to be a regular NHL starter and is undersized.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 1:48 PM ET
I would like to see if they can turn that around for him.
Interference and tripping penalties are skating penalties. skate more and you take less of them unless you are a turtle.
Zac is just full of stupid penalties

- nails


I think interference penalties are a byproduct of getting beat and out of position a lot of times, with a defenseman. I'm going to keep an open mind and see what happens with Gudas though.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 20 @ 1:48 PM ET
If that is true, I wonder how Ken Hitchcock feels about St. Louis talking to Babcock, while he is still the coach of St. Louis?
- MJL


He's going to do the job he's hired to do and coach the team on the ice.

This isn't going to bother Hitchcock
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

May 20 @ 1:48 PM ET
Leafs have offered him 8mill a year
- Landsbergfan


Thought that was an EK rumor
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

May 20 @ 1:50 PM ET
Quite simply because Gus doesn't do any particular thing well enough to be a regular NHL starter and is undersized.
- bmeltzer

Do you think they sign Zaitsev next ?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 20 @ 1:50 PM ET
He's going to do the job he's hired to do and coach the team on the ice.

This isn't going to bother Hitchcock

- Just5



It would bother me if it was true.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

May 20 @ 1:50 PM ET
I think interference penalties are a byproduct of getting beat and out of position a lot of times, with a defenseman. I'm going to keep an open mind and see what happens with Gudas though.
- MJL

Yeah, when I think of poor skating I am thinking this as well.
Kind of a mental thing all around.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

May 20 @ 1:50 PM ET
Quite simply because Gus doesn't do any particular thing well enough to be a regular NHL starter and is undersized.
- bmeltzer



Add AMac
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

May 20 @ 1:52 PM ET
Leafs have offered him 8mill a year
- Landsbergfan


If that's true, then Quenneville should be worth somewhere around $15million/year next time around.

..ridiculous.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 20 @ 1:56 PM ET
Why deal Gudas?
- nails


Name one good thing he's done for the Flyers.

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 20 @ 1:58 PM ET
I'm sure some other teams would get back in, in that case. Arizona might even be able to match that.
- BulliesPhan87


Yeah but they'd probably have to raise the price to their season ticket holder to do it and that would be a PR disaster.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

May 20 @ 1:59 PM ET
Name one good thing he's done for the Flyers.


- Scoob


helped their draft position by not being able to play?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 20 @ 2:00 PM ET
babcock a leaf its done?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 20 @ 2:00 PM ET
It would bother me if it was true.
- MJL


On a personal level I agree. But true professionals rise above it and do the job they're hired to do to the best of their ability. Hitchcock strikes me as that kind of guy.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

May 20 @ 2:00 PM ET
jesus 50 million 8 yrs for a coach.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

May 20 @ 2:00 PM ET
DREGGER BABCOCK TO LEAFS!
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 20 @ 2:02 PM ET
590 is reporting that Buffalo, Detroit, San Jose and St. Louis have all been told Babcock won't be coaching there.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 20 @ 2:02 PM ET
jesus 50 million 8 yrs for a coach.
- nastyflyergirl


That's just insane.
nails
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: thread killer, PA
Joined: 02.05.2007

May 20 @ 2:02 PM ET
jesus 50 million 8 yrs for a coach.
- nastyflyergirl

say hello to more teams going with the no pro experience guy as well as the top 5 guys all making as much as a #1 goalie
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 20 @ 2:03 PM ET
TSN guys are saying Babcock to TO for 8 years is done. Frontloaded deal, in the $50m range.
tjp2033
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Crazy off-season brewing, NJ
Joined: 06.18.2008

May 20 @ 2:04 PM ET
Quite simply because Gus doesn't do any particular thing well enough to be a regular NHL starter and is undersized.
- bmeltzer


I agree, just thought maybe he'd be an effective 3rd pair dman for a cheap cap hit. With Gudas and Schenn I feel you can move Grossmann and the PK would probably not take a hit.

Moving Streit would be to gather more assets and get the 5M+ in cap. I have no issue with Streit staying. He had a very good offensive year. I think MDZ could probably be similar on the PP (not as good, but for the cost savings right in line).
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