What about every trade with Florida?
- VanHockeyGuy

Duds.

Every GM has some duds and some winners. I think fans like to pile on Gillis just because it's the acceptable thing to do and it's fun. But objectivity would be nice once in a while.
- bloatedmosquito

He cost the team long term. Simple as that, we deal with that today.

Even the Horvat deal. He left money on the table because he boxed himself in a corner.
- VanHockeyGuy

True, but some of those failures are offset buy some of his FA signings, whether they were re-signed canucks or off season pickups.

Hamhuis
Demitra
Malhotra
Torres
Samuelsson
Tanev (people forget he was a college free agent)
Etc.

Even the Horvat deal. He left money on the table because he boxed himself in a corner.
- VanHockeyGuy

He came out of it not looking too bad despite that. Especially since Luongo has been playing like a top 10 goalie since then.

He cost the team long term. Simple as that, we deal with that today.
- VanHockeyGuy

He had some bad drafts early but we were all screaming at him to trade picks for upgrades when this team was winning the division every year. I really feel like he was starting to figure out which scouts to trust on his staff before he got fired, his last draft here is looking pretty good.

He cost the team long term. Simple as that, we deal with that today.
- VanHockeyGuy

Can say the same thing about Burke and Nonis. I think Burke emptied our prospect pool so badly our team is still paying the price today. But I don't see the same piling on in these threads.

Can we agree that Burke, Nonis, and Gillis have contributed equally to canuck deficiencies?

Duds.
- bloatedmosquito

Booth and Ballard were horrible trades, I think some fans liked the deals when they were made but that's where Gillis relied too much on fancy stats and tried to buy low on players who were declining and not just suffering from "bad luck".

True, but some of those failures are offset buy some of his FA signings, whether they were re-signed canucks or off season pickups.

Hamhuis
Demitra
Malhotra
Torres
Samuelsson
Tanev (people forget he was a college free agent)
Etc.
- bloatedmosquito

Doesn't take skill, it takes money? FA's are like whores. MG did not have a background on evaluating talent, he was a manager. Even a fool lucks out sometimes.

People forget the bad luck we got from Bourdon's tragic death and also Burke fighting over a couple hundred thousand on Umberger's rookie deal as two things that hurt this team. I bet this team trades a couple less draft picks if those 2 played here in their primes.

Booth and Ballard were horrible trades, I think some fans liked the deals when they were made but that's where Gillis relied too much on fancy stats and tried to buy low on players who were declining and not just suffering from "bad luck".
- Nucker101

The Booth trade, at the time, didn`t look bad. The Ballard trade was horrible from the get go.

Booth and Ballard were horrible trades, I think some fans liked the deals when they were made but that's where Gillis relied too much on fancy stats and tried to buy low on players who were declining and not just suffering from "bad luck".
- Nucker101

True, but he took some chances. Tried some things that were risky. I still think Gillis was better than Nonis.
Nonis did (frank) all except for the Luongo deal and I truly believe that had more to do with Keenan's incompetence that Nonis' savvy trading skills. That was a fluke.

He came out of it not looking too bad despite that. Especially since Luongo has been playing like a top 10 goalie since then.
- Nucker101

The Luongo deal will essentially be for an AHL Goaltender, albeit a good one, and probably a 5th or 6th round pick for Matthias (or zip). Plus we eat a part of Lou's contract. Gillis couldn't find a better deal? He didn't even broker that one.

True, but he took some chances. Tried some things that were risky. I still think Gillis was better than Nonis.
Nonis did (frank) all except for the Luongo deal and I truly believe that had more to do with Keenan's incompetence that Nonis' savvy trading skills. That was a fluke.
- bloatedmosquito

Keenan himself said he had another offer on the table but ownership forced him to take that deal so they could market Todd Bertuzzi to sell seats. Nonis lucked into it. His other trades (frank)ing sucked. And if Lefty's right, he had little to do with the drafting of Schneider and Edler.

I wish he was still Toronto's GM

The Luongo deal will essentially be for an AHL Goaltender, albeit a good one, and probably a 5th or 6th round pick for Matthias (or zip). Plus we eat a part of Lou's contract. Gillis couldn't find a better deal? He didn't even broker that one.
- VanHockeyGuy

I meant the Schneider one. I truly believe he wanted to keep Luongo since the offers for him sucked.

True, but he took some chances. Tried some things that were risky. I still think Gillis was better than Nonis.
Nonis did (frank) all except for the Luongo deal and I truly believe that had more to do with Keenan's incompetence that Nonis' savvy trading skills. That was a fluke.
- bloatedmosquito

Do you have a man crush on Gillis?

Doesn't take skill, it takes money? FA's are like whores. MG did not have a background on evaluating talent, he was a manager. Even a fool lucks out sometimes.
- VanHockeyGuy

Ok, I understand now. You are a Gillis hater regardless of any positives he may have done. No point discussing further.

Thoughts on JB so far?

Do you have a man crush on Gillis?
- VanHockeyGuy

At least I understand the rationale behind every move he made outside of Hodgson-Kassian but in hindsight he had AV giving him cupcake minutes on a stacked team to raise his trade value and likely wanted to sell high and give more of those minutes to the Sedins/Kesler in the playoffs.

I meant the Schneider one. I truly believe he wanted to keep Luongo since the offers for him sucked.
- Nucker101

Horvat is a good player, not doubt. MG could have got more. As for Lou, his agent had to make the deal, because the rest of the league was laughing at him (and his man beard)

Horvat is a good player, not doubt. MG could have got more. As for Lou, his agent had to make the deal, because the rest of the league was laughing at him (and his man beard)
- VanHockeyGuy

Gillis and the management team gave Lu's agent the go ahead to pursue a deal. An agent is not allowed to go out and broker a deal on their own, not allowed.

At least I understand the rationale behind every move he made outside of Hodgson-Kassian but in hindsight he had AV giving him cupcake minutes on a stacked team to raise his trade value and likely wanted to sell high and give more of those minutes to the Sedins/Kesler in the playoffs.
- Nucker101

Sami Pahlsson
Derek Roy
Keith Ballard
David Booth

I have a big problem with these.

Horvat is a good player, not doubt. MG could have got more. As for Lou, his agent had to make the deal, because the rest of the league was laughing at him (and his man beard)
- VanHockeyGuy

EDM offered more, but he wanted him out of the division. Again, in hindsight an excellent decision since EDM with a top 10 goalie would be a team in the playoff hunt(but probably wouldn't have gotten McDavid so that kind of backfired) and Horvat has turned out to be a damn good player.


It seemed to me that he wanted Horvat anyway so even though Edmotnon had the higher pick, he wanted a prospect included otherwise it made more sense to move him out of the conference all together.

Sami Pahlsson
Derek Roy
Keith Ballard
David Booth

I have a big problem with these.
- VanHockeyGuy

Did you at the time though? Pahlsson was kind of a head scratcher but they wanted a center for that playoff run after trading Hodgson, the Roy deal seemed kind of desperate.

But I saw plenty of people who liked the Florida moves. Hell there was even a poll on who Canuck fans thought was a better addition, Hamhuis or Ballard.

People forget the bad luck we got from Bourdon's tragic death and also Burke fighting over a couple hundred thousand on Umberger's rookie deal as two things that hurt this team. I bet this team trades a couple less draft picks if those 2 played here in their primes.
- Nucker101

The loss on all sides was immense. Just a tremendous loss on all fronts.

The loss on all sides was immense. Just a tremendous loss on all fronts.
- rugdnit

Gillis and the management team gave Lu's agent the go ahead to pursue a deal. An agent is not allowed to go out and broker a deal on their own, not allowed.
- LeftCoaster

Because MG exhausted all his efforts. He wasn't respected by his peers, which was ultimately his undoing.