We have 1 pick in the first 3 rounds.
- VanHockeyGuy

TRADES FFS!!!!! We have too many goaltenders, could bring back a 2nd or 3rd, we have older vets like Higgins and Bieksa that can recapture picks...think outside the box man.

Would Anton cederholm get a 2nd?
- manvanfan

lol

No, I was told that nucker thinks he is a bust. I think he's going to need some seasoning in the AHL with a more offensive defencemen
- manvanfan

I don't disagree there. I don't think he's going a bust at all. Funny someone can label him a bust at 20.

Winterhawks are consistently good with prospects.

I would think Benning has got some great insight with that club.

Bjorkstrand is legit. Columbus has a good one with that kid.

Four years they're gonna be so good...I'm not looking forward to it unless Benning has some magic up his sleeve!!
- LeftCoaster

I bet they make the playoffs before that with McDavid and Nurse joining the lineup.

No, I was told that nucker thinks he is a bust. I think he's going to need some seasoning in the AHL with a more offensive defencemen
- manvanfan

Hard to be a bust when you can barely put up points in junior in the first place.

Yep fill the shelves on D prospects. Brandon Carlo
- VanHockeyGuy

Meh.

Meh.
- Nucker101

Size and hopefully skill. If Bieksa gets dealt our D will be more pathetic than it was last season. Clear the front of the net, hit people, make them think twice about taking liberties like CAL did.

Hard to be a bust when you can barely put up points in junior in the first place.
- Nucker101

you know...why are points the only thing that's important to you? For every Paul Coffey you need a Randy Gregg, a Kevin Lowe, a Willie Mitchell or a Lee Fogolin.

Further to that, he was a 5th round pick, the amount of kids that make it from those rounds is so small. The expectations on him should be to just make the NHL, that would be an accomplishment for a kid like him.

Size and hopefully skill. If Bieksa gets dealt our D will be more pathetic than it was last season. Clear the front of the net, hit people, make them think twice about taking liberties like CAL did.
- VanHockeyGuy

I'm all for getting bigger and tougher, but the guys need to be able to play well. Everyone keeps talking about Anaheim, but that team is loaded with talent and deep as (frank). They also constantly spend picks on Euros and skill players. Just being big and tough isn't enough, otherwise Chicago and Tampa wouldn't be nearly as good.

Just draft the best players available. It's the teams that keep drafting based off of needs or certain traits(or just flat out suck at scouting) that are constantly trying to copy the models of the top teams.

Wasting even late round picks on players who aren't producing in their junior/college/euro leagues is proven to be a waste. Yet the crappy drafting teams keep on doing it while Detroit, Anaheim, Tampa etc draft guys who actually have NHL level ability.

Would love to see where those 3 teams had Cederholm, Kyle Petit and MacKenzie Stewart ranked...

you know...why are points the only thing that's important to you? For every Paul Coffey you need a Randy Gregg, a Kevin Lowe, a Willie Mitchell or a Lee Fogolin.

Further to that, he was a 5th round pick, the amount of kids that make it from those rounds is so small. The expectations on him should be to just make the NHL, that would be an accomplishment for a kid like him.
- LeftCoaster

See post above, there's countless studies done on it. when you draft a player who doesn't produce in junior, the already low odds of that late round pick being successful become even lower. It's not even a theory, it's proven. Anyone who doesn't believe it is just ignorant or just a dinosaur.

Lowe was a PPG d-man during his last two junior years. Willie Mitchell the highest scoring dman on his University team...

I'm all for getting bigger and tougher, but the guys need to be able to play well. Everyone keeps talking about Anaheim, but that team is loaded with talent and deep as (frank). They also constantly spend picks on Euros and skill players. Just being big and tough isn't enough, otherwise Chicago and Tampa wouldn't be nearly as good.

Just draft the best players available. It's the teams that keep drafting based off of needs or certain traits(or just flat out suck at scouting) that are constantly trying to copy the models of the top teams.

Wasting even late round picks on players who aren't producing in their junior/college/euro leagues is proven to be a waste. Yet the crappy drafting teams keep on doing it while Detroit, Anaheim, Tampa etc draft guys who actually have NHL level ability.

Would love to see where those 3 teams had Cederholm, Kyle Petit and MacKenzie Stewart ranked...
- Nucker101

I agree with your drafting points, if youre looking for a shutdown guy, bottom 6 forward etc. you'd have a better success rate going for undrafted and college FA's. Plus if you take the best available, you're gaining an asset you can move to fill the needs you haven't drafted for

See post above, there's countless studies done on it. when you draft a player who doesn't produce in junior, the already low odds of that late round pick being successful become even lower. It's not even a theory, it's proven. Anyone who doesn't believe it is just ignorant or just a dinosaur.

Lowe was a PPG d-man during his last two junior years. Willie Mitchell the highest scoring dman on his University team...
- Nucker101

Times have changed. Specialization has crept its way down to the junior level and thats what this kid is. I'm not saying that he'll be good enough to ever play in the NHL, but the NHL is no longer exclusively ex-star junior players who put up gaudy numbers. Not to mention late bloomers ie Chris Tanev, Zdeno Chara....

See post above, there's countless studies done on it. when you draft a player who doesn't produce in junior, the already low odds of that late round pick being successful become even lower. It's not even a theory, it's proven. Anyone who doesn't believe it is just ignorant or just a dinosaur.

Lowe was a PPG d-man during his last two junior years. Willie Mitchell the highest scoring dman on his University team...
- Nucker101

Gillis probably wasn't drafting him to produce points, you do understand that you need several different kind of players to have a successful team these days - right?

How many points did Robin Regehr have in his draft year, he's been an awesome NHL'er because he's hard to play against. Same with Matt Greene, he's got 78 points in over 570 NHL games, an important part of the Kings Cups, again, tough to play against. It's not just about points. We are sorely missing those kinds of players on our roster right now, the Canucks are easy to play against, and the results show that!!

You don't think Anaheim or other teams drafts size in the later rounds? Do I need to look up examples of kids who are just big?

Red Wings drafted Mitch Wheaton out of Kelowna in 2013, 5th round, he's 6'5" 220 pounds, he had 8 points. Shame on them!

San Jose drafted Gage Ausmus out of the USHL in 2013, 5th round, he's 6'2" 205 pounds, he had 7 points. Shame on them!

Colorado drafted Mason Gerertsen out of the Vancouver Giants in 2013, 4th round, he's 6'4" 215 pounds, he had 10 points. Shame on them!

Ottawa drafted Ben Harpur out of the Guelph OHL in 2013, 4th round, he's 6'6" 220 pounds, he had 15 points. Shame on them!

Etc etc etc...

Times have changed. Specialization has crept its way down to the junior level and thats what this kid is. I'm not saying that he'll be good enough to ever play in the NHL, but the NHL is no longer exclusively ex-star junior players who put up gaudy numbers. Not to mention late bloomers ie Chris Tanev, Zdeno Chara....
- chompsey

There are always the very few who will "beat the system", but why go looking for a needle in a hay stack and reduce your odds?

Gillis probably wasn't drafting him to produce points, you do understand that you need several different kind of players to have a successful team these days - right?

How many points did Robin Regehr have in his draft year, he's been an awesome NHL'er because he's hard to play against. Same with Matt Greene, he's got 78 points in over 570 NHL games, an important part of the Kings Cups, again, tough to play against. It's not just about points. We are sorely missing those kinds of players on our roster right now, the Canucks are easy to play against, and the results show that!!

You don't think Anaheim or other teams drafts size in the later rounds? Do I need to look up examples of kids who are just big?
- LeftCoaster

See post above. Those teams may do it once in awhile, but not once or twice in every draft.

http://www.defendingbigd....efensemen-dangers-zadarov

There are always the very few who will "beat the system", but why go looking for a needle in a hay stack and reduce your odds?
- Nucker101

Dude, everyone drafted that late is a needle in a haystack...

Dude, everyone drafted that late is a needle in a haystack...
- chompsey

I agree, I said the same above. But why reduce the already lower adds from a grain of salt to a single piece of dust?

See post above, there's countless studies done on it. when you draft a player who doesn't produce in junior, the already low odds of that late round pick being successful become even lower. It's not even a theory, it's proven. Anyone who doesn't believe it is just ignorant or just a dinosaur.

Lowe was a PPG d-man during his last two junior years. Willie Mitchell the highest scoring dman on his University team...
- Nucker101

I always hate the argument of BPA... points DO NOT always translate to players being NHL ready. You have to look at the league the player is playing in, who he's playing with among other factors. Dane Fox was signed because he put up gaudy numbers playing next to McDavid... how has that worked out so far?

The thing is, you want players who are well-rounded and have skills beyond just putting points on the board. Due to the junior model, where some kids can be at different levels of development, using stats is pretty worthless. Yes, it is an indicator of talent and talent-level, but it doesn't always track to the NHL. I've always said time and time again that the draft age should be raised to 20 so that when a player is picked, they can IMMEDIATELY either step into the NHL or else into the AHL where they can learn the system the team that drafted them plays and learn what their eventual NHL role will be.

The idea is to pick players that will fit into your system based upon their overall skill set and not some nebulous idea of "Oh well he put up 100 points on a stacked junior team so let's take him because of that". In the later rounds, I want players who fit the system, because players that have the skill sets that fit the system work out better than players who are simply skilled.

I agree, I said the same above. But why reduce the already lower adds from a grain of salt to a single piece of dust?
- Nucker101

Thats a very subjective opinion - I, for one, do not believe points should dictate who you draft, especially a d-man.

I mean would you not draft Brandon Carlo in the 1st round because of his low point production? Or how about Bo Horvat? His numbers are similar to Cole Ully who was drafted in the 6th round - is Ully a better pick?

Like what I see from Vladimir sobotka. Should go after him from St. Louis.
- manvanfan

He was quite noticeable in the Canada vs Czech game today, wouldn't mind them going after him at all

See post above, there's countless studies done on it. when you draft a player who doesn't produce in junior, the already low odds of that late round pick being successful become even lower. It's not even a theory, it's proven. Anyone who doesn't believe it is just ignorant or just a dinosaur.

Lowe was a PPG d-man during his last two junior years. Willie Mitchell the highest scoring dman on his University team...
- Nucker101

Tanner? That you?

See post above. Those teams may do it once in awhile, but not once or twice in every draft.

http://www.defendingbigd....efensemen-dangers-zadarov
- Nucker101

Teams do it every draft, or every other draft, we have no size in our organization. You can't see the forest for the trees because we have neither skill nor size and toughness.

Anaheim

2006 - John de Gray 6'4" 215 lbs - ten points 5th round
2008 - Stefan Warg 6'4" 220 lbs 17 points in WHL AFTER his draft year 5th round
2009 - Scott Valentine 6' 215 lbs - nine points 6th round
2010 - Kevin Lind 6'3" 222 lbs - 16 points 5th round
2011 - Josh Manson 6'3" 220 lbs - 6th round GOOD PICK from BCHL
2012 - Jaycob Megna 6'6" 205 lbs - 5 points 7th round

See post above, there's countless studies done on it. when you draft a player who doesn't produce in junior, the already low odds of that late round pick being successful become even lower. It's not even a theory, it's proven. Anyone who doesn't believe it is just ignorant or just a dinosaur.

Lowe was a PPG d-man during his last two junior years. Willie Mitchell the highest scoring dman on his University team...
- Nucker101

Yeah. Why would you want a Brooks Orpik on your team....

I always hate the argument of BPA... points DO NOT always translate to players being NHL ready. You have to look at the league the player is playing in, who he's playing with among other factors. Dane Fox was signed because he put up gaudy numbers playing next to McDavid... how has that worked out so far?

The thing is, you want players who are well-rounded and have skills beyond just putting points on the board. Due to the junior model, where some kids can be at different levels of development, using stats is pretty worthless. Yes, it is an indicator of talent and talent-level, but it doesn't always track to the NHL. I've always said time and time again that the draft age should be raised to 20 so that when a player is picked, they can IMMEDIATELY either step into the NHL or else into the AHL where they can learn the system the team that drafted them plays and learn what their eventual NHL role will be.

The idea is to pick players that will fit into your system based upon their overall skill set and not some nebulous idea of "Oh well he put up 100 points on a stacked junior team so let's take him because of that". In the later rounds, I want players who fit the system, because players that have the skill sets that fit the system work out better than players who are simply skilled.
- DariusKnight

Dane Fox, like you said was playing with great linemates and had that monster year as an overage player. That was still a worthy gamble by Gillis though. One failed player doesn't mean you should ditch the bpa strategy. If this was the nfl I'd agree with your logic but in the nhl it's so difficult to even land a player with nhl upside after the first 3/4 rounds that drafting worse prospects that fit your nhl team's system makes no sense. Especially since he team could have a brand new coach and GM by the time that player even makes it to the pros.