Isnt this Lovejoy?

And Kunitz can still play man. You'll see.
- thickman1178

Totally agree. If we keep sutter and dupuis comes back, that could be a solid third line. Then you could put comeau/sundquist/bennett or wilson on 4th

Ideally, i would love to see us sign frolik and trade for another top 6 winger, but this means Sutter will be gone which also means we have a void at 3c. Is sundquist a suitable replacement?

Roll out this lineup:

Perron/sid/horn
Frolik/geno/trade winger
Kunitz/sundquist/duper
Spalling/lappy/comeau

I saw someone mention buying out Scuds isn't worth it becuase you have to sign a vet D afterwords anyway... Why?
Dumo and Chorney showed up scuds in the playoffs. You have Lovejoy, Letang, Maatta, Pouliot, RFA Cole, Dumo, and Harrington. You could easily line up
Maatta-Letang
Pouliot-Lovejoy(or Cole)
Dumo-Cole(or Lovejoy)
That is better than anything with Scuderi in it and cheaper.

Ideally, i would love to see us sign frolik and trade for another top 6 winger, but this means Sutter will be gone which also means we have a void at 3c. Is sundquist a suitable replacement?

Roll out this lineup:

Perron/sid/horn
Frolik/geno/trade winger
Kunitz/sundquist/duper
Spalling/lappy/comeau
- joescullz

Would you give Frolik 5 mill though?

I saw someone mention buying out Scuds isn't worth it becuase you have to sign a vet D afterwords anyway... Why?
Dumo and Chorney showed up scuds in the playoffs. You have Lovejoy, Letang, Maatta, Pouliot, RFA Cole, Dumo, and Harrington. You could easily line up
Maatta-Letang
Pouliot-Lovejoy(or Cole)
Dumo-Cole(or Lovejoy)
That is better than anything with Scuderi in it and cheaper.
- usethe1-2-2

Yeah I don't care for having a "veteran D presence" I'm sure Lovejoy can fill that role... he essentially played like a younger, awful Scuderi-- which seems to fit the role of experience nowadays.

Ideally, i would love to see us sign frolik and trade for another top 6 winger, but this means Sutter will be gone which also means we have a void at 3c. Is sundquist a suitable replacement?

Roll out this lineup:

Perron/sid/horn
Frolik/geno/trade winger
Kunitz/sundquist/duper
Spalling/lappy/comeau
- joescullz

Wouldn't mind
Perron Crosby horn
Kunitz Malkin kap
Comeau sutter Dupuis
Sundqvist lap Wilson

Dump spaling for anything. Good mix of youth and vets. 4 lines that can play

Would you give Frolik 5 mill though?
- usethe1-2-2

Its a gamble but maybe a little less than 5, say 4.5. He is only 27, has scored 15 & 19 goals with an average Winnipeg team, so you would have to imagine him doubling his production with Geno.

Would you give Frolik 5 mill though?
- usethe1-2-2

Not a chance. Some say he might put up good numbers playing with better players but he played 136 games in Chicago and scored 11 goals

Would you give Frolik 5 mill though?
- usethe1-2-2

Yes, but I'd tell him and his agent that means no NTC or a limited with 15 teams or so.

JR praising BB and giving excuses just means hes being shopped. PHX needs a C. They have no good ones. If they see Sutter as a 2C, give them Sutter+BB for Boedker. Then shop a D prospect for Berglund to STL. I think STL is hurting on D? They're overloaded at C.

39-87-72
Boedker-71-Kap
Kuni-Berglund-Sunkist
Spaling-Lap-Wilson

I'd be thoroughly surprised if Sutter brought back a first or a top 6 winger straight up. But then again, everyone laughed when I and others suggested that Samuelson and first could get a top 6 guy, which is basically what happened if you consider that Sammy was traded for Klink straight up, so I wouldn't rule anything out.

I would very much like to get back into the first round to grab Paul Bittner. I think packaging Sutter and our second could realistically do that trick. Those 21 goals are pretty gaudy all things considered and he's coming off of two perceived strong playoff performances. I think a team in the mid to late first could decide that they're better off in the short term with Sutter and the second than with the first.

The only issue with using Sutter to get back into the first is that he's the only expendable piece we have with any real value. If there's no one to be had on the market, then what do we trade for this fictitious young, fast top 6 winger? Kunitz? No one's gonna trade a young talented guy for an aging and undersized forechecker/net-front presence. Kunitz's game and body just doesn't go well with age. A young D man? After trading Despres we really can't spare anyone. Rutherford is an absolute moron for trading Despres for a veteran d man with minimal skill. If he was going to be traded he should have been used to acquire a winger.

No, at the end of the day we have nothing really to trade. This is why either Kapanen or Bennett have to work out in the top 6 next season.

Why dont these guys have to go through the draft or some other sort of waiver process to come to the NHL? Seems crazy they can just pick a contender to go to at their whim and come in at an ELC level.
- thickman1178

He was draft eligible, just never drafted

Its a gamble but maybe a little less than 5, say 4.5. He is only 27, has scored 15 & 19 goals with an average Winnipeg team, so you would have to imagine him doubling his production with Geno.
- joescullz

Doubling production is a really big gamble. I wouldn't touch him for anything over 4.

My thoughts on a Scuds buyout....

If you bought out Scuds and went with the youth on D, you'd likely have to go out and sign another veteran D guy for insurance (a 6/7/8 type). That guy likely costs you $1.5-2 millish. Add Scuds buyout cap hit, and that puts you right back at (or very close to) his salary doesn't it?

Why not just keep Scuds?

I actually think Kunitz is more done that Scuds is.

Those that think Kunitz is playing an effective 3rd line role next year are delusional. His legs are shot. He cant/doesn't play a physical game anymore. RW is right in that his hands are gone. He's average defensively at best. He has no single attribute he brings to the table at this point. To me, if you cant trade him for loose change, he's the buyout target, not Scuderi.
- 87_71_11_29

I'd assume a 7th d would be cheaper then 1.5 to 2M. Letang and Scuderi are the only D who even make that. Even 800k in savings is helpful as we saw. And really Scuds is done anyways.

I don't see keeping Kunitz and Dupuis both for 3rd line minutes. Comeau could replace one for a big savings and a younger player. We can't afford a Kunitz-Sutter-Dupuis 3rd line. Would cost 11M this year, more next year. If they aren't top 6, at least one should go.

I'd be thoroughly surprised if Sutter brought back a first or a top 6 winger straight up. But then again, everyone laughed when I and others suggested that Samuelson and first could get a top 6 guy, which is basically what happened if you consider that Sammy was traded for Klink straight up, so I wouldn't rule anything out.

I would very much like to get back into the first round to grab Paul Bittner. I think packaging Sutter and our second could realistically do that trick. Those 21 goals are pretty gaudy all things considered and he's coming off of two perceived strong playoff performances. I think a team in the mid to late first could decide that they're better off in the short term with Sutter and the second than with the first.

The only issue with using Sutter to get back into the first is that he's the only expendable piece we have with any real value. If there's no one to be had on the market, then what do we trade for this fictitious young, fast top 6 winger? Kunitz? No one's gonna trade a young talented guy for an aging and undersized forechecker/net-front presence. Kunitz's game and body just doesn't go well with age. A young D man? After trading Despres we really can't spare anyone. Rutherford is an absolute moron for trading Despres for a veteran d man with minimal skill. If he was going to be traded he should have been used to acquire a winger.

No, at the end of the day we have nothing really to trade. This is why either Kapanen or Bennett have to work out in the top 6 next season.
- Victoro311

If Sutter can bring back a late 2nd early 3rd rounder with a young winger (with potential) ready for bottom six minutes then I pull the trigger.

Doubling production is a really big gamble. I wouldn't touch him for anything over 4.
- usethe1-2-2

Like I said yesterday, in going after Frolik, if you're the Pens, you have to give him a moveable contract so that if he doesn't work out you can dump him on a team willing to take a gamble. We have too many guys being payed high end cash to allow the winger version of Scuderi onto the team. If the bidding war goes over 4.5 mil on Frolik, the Pens should bow out immediately. If he doesn't up his current production, Frolik at 5 mil is an unmoveable contract.

If Sutter can bring back a late 2nd early 3rd rounder with a young winger (with potential) ready for bottom six minutes then I pull the trigger.
- usethe1-2-2

Would Kings have any interest in sutter? If so, who would they trade to us? Brown?

If Sutter can bring back a late 2nd early 3rd rounder with a young winger (with potential) ready for bottom six minutes then I pull the trigger.
- usethe1-2-2

Wouldn't mind a 2nd and a top 9 winger. Not the young, talented winger to ride shotty with the two headed monster that everyone wants, but if Sutter can fetch a young guy that can add life and contribute to the 3rd line plus an ok draft pick, then you do it. Would go a long way towards replenishing the cupboard with youth. I don't think this is totally unreasonable.

Like I said yesterday, in going after Frolik, if you're the Pens, you have to give him a moveable contract so that if he doesn't work out you can dump him on a team willing to take a gamble. We have too many guys being payed high end cash to allow the winger version of Scuderi onto the team. If the bidding war goes over 4.5 mil on Frolik, the Pens should bow out immediately. If he doesn't up his current production, Frolik at 5 mil is an unmoveable contract.
- Victoro311

As one of the few decent UFA's on the market, he probably comes up big money. I don't think he even comes close to our asking price.

St.Louis or San Jose will end up being our best trade partners, the market will kill us this year with at least one bad contract.

I'd assume a 7th d would be cheaper then 1.5 to 2M. Letang and Scuderi are the only D who even make that. Even 800k in savings is helpful as we saw. And really Scuds is done anyways.

I don't see keeping Kunitz and Dupuis both for 3rd line minutes. Comeau could replace one for a big savings and a younger player. We can't afford a Kunitz-Sutter-Dupuis 3rd line. Would cost 11M this year, more next year. If they aren't top 6, at least one should go.
- Tojo.

Unfortunately its gotta be Kunitz unless Dupuis retires. Dupuis is cheaper and has a more traditional bottom 6 game. It pains me to say, but with the cap situation being what it is, if we can find a valid replacement, Kunitz's time as a Pen should end.

Would Kings have any interest in sutter? If so, who would they trade to us? Brown?
- joescullz

Doubt it. They wan't to rid themselves of Richy first. Then get another D. I'm thinking San Jose or St.Louis, possibly Vancouver.

Wouldn't mind a 2nd and a top 9 winger. Not the young, talented winger to ride shotty with the two headed monster that everyone wants, but if Sutter can fetch a young guy that can add life and contribute to the 3rd line plus an ok draft pick, then you do it. Would go a long way towards replenishing the cupboard with youth. I don't think this is totally unreasonable.
- Victoro311

Yes, and it frees up space while not putting you in a bad spot next summer.

As one of the few decent UFA's on the market, he probably comes up big money. I don't think he even comes close to our asking price.

St.Louis or San Jose will end up being our best trade partners, the market will kill us this year with at least one bad contract.
- usethe1-2-2

How? Aren't both of those teams pretty set at center? What interest would they have in Brandon Sutter, who, make no mistake, is our only moveable asset with value.

As one of the few decent UFA's on the market, he probably comes up big money. I don't think he even comes close to our asking price.

St.Louis or San Jose will end up being our best trade partners, the market will kill us this year with at least one bad contract.
- usethe1-2-2

Which player from those teams are u trading for?

If Philly called and offered JR B. Schenn for Sutter, would you do it?