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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:00 PM ET
Indeed.
- Crimsoninja


Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:02 PM ET

- ob18

wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:08 PM ET
and just sick (frank)ing mitts on g on these SO goals - what happened to him this year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GgwJKffC8I

- hammarby31


he had 32 surgeries leading to the room where the paint don't want to dry
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:08 PM ET

- Crimsoninja


Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 8:09 PM ET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOz2-l19tJ8

my god, i wish we were in the playoffs.

- hammarby31


How people put the Rangers above the penguins in their level of hate Ill never understand. Yea maybe I'm younger and didn't live the 80's. Well guess what old timers time to live in the now. If rather the Penguins lose than the flyers win
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:14 PM ET
How people put the Rangers above the penguins in their level of hate Ill never understand. Yea maybe I'm younger and didn't live the 80's. Well guess what old timers time to live in the now. If rather the Penguins lose than the flyers win
- Just5


meh
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:16 PM ET
https://vine.co/v/eWLHIelqXVx
- wilsonecho91


hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:18 PM ET
How people put the Rangers above the penguins in their level of hate Ill never understand. Yea maybe I'm younger and didn't live the 80's. Well guess what old timers time to live in the now. If rather the Penguins lose than the flyers win
- Just5


i did live in the 80s and went through it. i HATE THE (frank)ING RANGERS AND THEIR ENTIRE (frank)ING FAN BASE. (frank) THEM NOW AND FOREVER.

THAT'S HOW I PUT THEM ABOVE THE PENGUINS.

hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 28 @ 8:24 PM ET
There was nothing wrong with that gif. See?


hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:24 PM ET
mrs. craaaaaaane....i'm looking at you.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:25 PM ET
Bill, were opinions on Akeson's season really monolithic within the organization?

Chief was fired expressly for failing to get the most out of his players, with more than a few guys not being put in the best position to succeed... his treatment of Akeson this season seems like a microcosm of that.



29 other teams also thought MDZ/Schultz/White/Coloiocovo weren't worth a damn.

- Tomahawk



I've posted extensively on the topic, but just to reiterate my view, I don't care what any scout or Flyers staffer says, you cannot properly analyze an offensive oriented, finesse player like Akeson based on how he played as a grinder, in limited minutes with the fourth line, with the most offensively ineffective players on team.

I feel pretty confident in saying that it was no coincidence that Akeson had an impact and looked like he belonged in the NHL when he was deployed alongside better players in last season's series against the Rangers, where he got more meaningful minutes, including pp time.

With that said, it would behoove the Flyers to, at the very least, put Akeson into a position to make the most of his offensive talents rather than in one that wastes them before they make any conclusions about his long term potential in the NHL. That should be part of the vetting process and would help prevent a mistake being made. I mean, what's the downside really, to giving Akeson a shot in the top nine and some pp time for something like 25-30 games next season? I don't see any. The kid has paid his dues, give him a legit shot.

Also, I don't buy this notion of "well, Akeson didn't do anything productive when he was playing the fourth line to earn a move up" B.S. First of all, what about when he DID show what he could do when he DID play up with more of a scoring line on the big stage of the SC playoffs the season prior? Shouldn't that count even more than a handful of reg season games playing in limited minutes with stiffs? Yeah, White did well in that role this season and Laughton looked ok there too, but Akeson is a different player (OMG players differ!?!?). He's undersized, and doesn't have the gritty, checking game of a Ryan White or Scott Laughton, so should we be surprised that he's not going to perform well in that role? Akeson's game is producing offense. Playing seven minutes a game with the likes of Umberger and Rinaldo and getting no PP time is simply not the way to tell if an offensively talented player can translate his game to the NHL. I'm sorry, it's just not. This seems like common sense to me and frankly, it is disconcerting to know that a flyers "team source" cannot realize the flaw in making such conclusions about a talented young player based on how he played in a role for which he was ill-suited and one that did nothing to exploit his natural abilities.






Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 8:26 PM ET
i did live in the 80s and went through it. i HATE THE (frank)ING RANGERS AND THEIR ENTIRE (frank)ING FAN BASE. (frank) THEM NOW AND FOREVER.

THAT'S HOW I PUT THEM ABOVE THE PENGUINS.

- hammarby31


Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 28 @ 8:28 PM ET
How people put the Rangers above the penguins in their level of hate Ill never understand. Yea maybe I'm younger and didn't live the 80's. Well guess what old timers time to live in the now. If rather the Penguins lose than the flyers win
- Just5


When I was a kid, the Penguins were a joke. It wasn't a rivalry, it was a one sided ass kicking. The Pens were generally two points in the bank-and were pretty much an automatic win at the Spectrum.

The Rangers though...1974 was a brutal series. Then those bastards stole Freddy Shero. Then the Smurf Rangers beat the Flyers in the first round when Bob McCammon had his head up his ass. Toss in guy like Sandstrom and James Patrick and it was so easy to despise those (frank)ers.

Even now, I joke about Mark Pavelich...but I really do hate that (frank)er.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Apr 28 @ 8:28 PM ET
How people put the Rangers above the penguins in their level of hate Ill never understand. Yea maybe I'm younger and didn't live the 80's. Well guess what old timers time to live in the now. If rather the Penguins lose than the flyers win
- Just5




Guess what? I hate the Rangers more than the Penguins and nothing you can say will ever change that. I've got decades of hate for that franchise. The Pens are just an afterthought.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 28 @ 8:31 PM ET
So that guy Panarin is going to the Hawks

(frank) them
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 8:34 PM ET
I've posted extensively on the topic, but just to reiterate my view, I don't care what any scout or Flyers staffer says, you cannot properly analyze an offensive oriented, finesse player like Akeson based on how he played as a grinder, in limited minutes with the fourth line, with the most offensively ineffective players on team.

I feel pretty confident in saying that it was no coincidence that Akeson had an impact and looked like he belonged in the NHL when he was deployed alongside better players in last season's series against the Rangers, where he got more meaningful minutes, including pp time.

With that said, it would behoove the Flyers to, at the very least, put Akeson into a position to make the most of his offensive talents rather than in one that wastes them before they make any conclusions about his long term potential in the NHL. That should be part of the vetting process and would help prevent a mistake being made. I mean, what's the downside really, to giving Akeson a shot in the top nine and some pp time for something like 25-30 games next season? I don't see any. The kid has paid his dues, give him a legit shot.

Also, I don't buy this notion of "well, Akeson didn't do anything productive when he was playing the fourth line to earn a move up" B.S. First of all, what about when he DID show what he could do when he DID play up with more of a scoring line on the big stage of the SC playoffs the season prior? Shouldn't that count even more than a handful of reg season games playing in limited minutes with stiffs? Yeah, White did well in that role this season and Laughton looked ok there too, but Akeson is a different player (OMG players differ!?!?). He's undersized, and doesn't have the gritty, checking game of a Ryan White or Scott Laughton, so should we be surprised that he's not going to perform well in that role? Akeson's game is producing offense. Playing seven minutes a game with the likes of Umberger and Rinaldo and getting no PP time is simply not the way to tell if an offensively talented player can translate his game to the NHL. I'm sorry, it's just not. This seems like common sense to me and frankly, it is disconcerting to know that a flyers "team source" cannot realize the flaw in making such conclusions about a talented young player based on how he played in a role for which he was ill-suited and one that did nothing to exploit his natural abilities.

- exlund


Good to hear from you exlund
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 8:37 PM ET
Guess what? I hate the Rangers more than the Penguins and nothing you can say will ever change that. I've got decades of hate for that franchise. The Pens are just an afterthought.
- Doc_Sarcasm


hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 28 @ 8:40 PM ET
mrs. craaaaaaane....i'm looking at you.
- hammarby31



This guy gets it.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 28 @ 8:41 PM ET
When I was a kid, the Penguins were a joke. It wasn't a rivalry, it was a one sided ass kicking. The Pens were generally two points in the bank-and were pretty much an automatic win at the Spectrum.

The Rangers though...1974 was a brutal series. Then those bastards stole Freddy Shero. Then the Smurf Rangers beat the Flyers in the first round when Bob McCammon had his head up his ass. Toss in guy like Sandstrom and James Patrick and it was so easy to despise those (frank)ers.

Even now, I joke about Mark Pavelich...but I really do hate that (frank)er.

- Jsaquella


Just hearing the name "Tomas Sandstrom" makes we want to punch someone
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 28 @ 8:41 PM ET
Just hearing the name "Tomas Sandstrom" makes we want to punch someone
- BiggE


Or cross check them across the back of the head
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 8:42 PM ET
Some of my earliest memories were when the flyers lost in 95 in the playoffs to the Devils. Then in 2000 when I knew we were going to the finals the (frank)ing Devils come back from 3-1 after Stevens murdered lindros. Then they win 2 more cups on top of brodeur another 15 (frank)ing years.

But I've evolved. Ever since that puke Crosby got drafted. The 2012 series sealed it. (frank) the pens
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 28 @ 8:43 PM ET
So that guy Panarin is going to the Hawks

(frank) them

- PhillySportsGuy



I know. And I have to cheer for these (frank)s?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 28 @ 8:43 PM ET
Guess what? I hate the Rangers more than the Penguins and nothing you can say will ever change that. I've got decades of hate for that franchise. The Pens are just an afterthought.
- Doc_Sarcasm


Yup, its not even close. There is no team, in any sport, that I hate more than the NY Rangers. No one.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Apr 28 @ 8:43 PM ET
Just hearing the name "Tomas Sandstrom" makes we want to punch someone
- BiggE


and Barry Beck and Ron Dugay. (frank) them.

I mean look at this (frank)ing guy
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 28 @ 8:44 PM ET
Or cross check them across the back of the head
- Jsaquella

Hell yeah!!
LOL
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