Tough way to end but alot of good thinkers on here know what needs to happen. Spend 2-3 on the youth and drafting/trades and out with the NTCS...will be interesting to see where Benning goes with it and yes Vantel is correct...only Sedins and Horvat are untouchable but we will have to live with some of the aging core for a few more seasons.

Sedin Sedin Burrows? Burrows should be gone but will be tough to replace for what he actually does bring us.

Bonino? One more year if Benning finds him a proper winger.

Kassian? Jury is out...

Vrbata will stay but after this years playoffs there will be questions.

Bieksa...Richardson...Higgins...Weber...Burrows...Stanton...and a few others will need to move on.

Matthias will most likely be gone to a bigger contract we can't afford.

Hansen brings intangibles we need but is still way too soft for Western playoffs. Dorsett kind of disappointed in playoffs but we need what he brings regardless.


Edler Tanev Hamhuis are most likely going nowhere so we will need to build around that and it won't be easy...
Spizza well...it is what it is...he can play tough but a massive liability Benning will need to re evaluate.

Miller? Do they risk another year or injury on a 6mil goalie that can't steal us one game in the playoffs?? I don't believe Lack is ready either.

Macmillan? Kenins? Where do the pieces fit it's gonna be interesting to see how it all shapes out.

Suck on that Miller !
- meyrman

Hey st Louis fan, you laughing now you twit?

The only person from the Canucks I really want gone is Edler. Everyone kept saying he had a great year this year. I disagree. He just didn't have a horrible season. He was average at best. It is beyond me how he can win our hardest shot competition sometimes, but can't even attempt to make a slap-shot or a one-timer. When he was on the point, it was like he wanted to wait with the puck until the defense had time to set up, and then flick a feeble wristshot into the closest defender's shin pads. WEAK pass outs from his own zone.. resulting in constant turnovers... resulting in game losing goals... cough cough.. last night... cough. His bodychecking has all but disappeared. He has all the time in the world to clear the puck from the corner, but constantly waits until a forechecker can get close to take it away. He is a special player, but I mean "special". He is NOT worth his contract, and if we could steal a higher 1st round pick at the draft by including him in a deal OH MY GOD PLEASE Jim, jump on it! Not just venting here... I have been a die-hard Canuck fan since 1990. I study the game. I watch more than just the Canucks. I am a hockey fan. I watch Edler. He sucks.
- Mortalis

I hated Edler for many years, I guess I've gone soft on him because these critiques all have some truth to them. It was not a good season offensively for him

Tough way to end but alot of good thinkers on here know what needs to happen. Spend 2-3 on the youth and drafting/trades and out with the NTCS...will be interesting to see where Benning goes with it and yes Vantel is correct...only Sedins and Horvat are untouchable but we will have to live with some of the aging core for a few more seasons.

Sedin Sedin Burrows? Burrows should be gone but will be tough to replace for what he actually does bring us.

Bonino? One more year if Benning finds him a proper winger.

Kassian? Jury is out...

Vrbata will stay but after this years playoffs there will be questions.

Bieksa...Richardson...Higgins...Weber...Burrows...Stanton...and a few others will need to move on.

Matthias will most likely be gone to a bigger contract we can't afford.

Hansen brings intangibles we need but is still way too soft for Western playoffs. Dorsett kind of disappointed in playoffs but we need what he brings regardless.


Edler Tanev Hamhuis are most likely going nowhere so we will need to build around that and it won't be easy...
Spizza well...it is what it is...he can play tough but a massive liability Benning will need to re evaluate.

Miller? Do they risk another year or injury on a 6mil goalie that can't steal us one game in the playoffs?? I don't believe Lack is ready either.

Macmillan? Kenins? Where do the pieces fit it's gonna be interesting to see how it all shapes out.
- LordHumungous

They need to make room for the youth.

I want to see Higgins moved but I am not really holding out much hope. I'd like to see that option removed, but the reason he gets so much ice time is there aren't many options beyond him.

I want to see some moves on defence, but I am guessing Benning might not see that many moves because he just extended Sbisa...

Still hoping there are spots open next training camp for some surprises and change.

Absolutely..... he was better at making adjustments to the game.

Defense coach is the guy that should be fired immediately.....lidstrer I believe it is. D was completely unorganized and without direction. This teamhas had all year to correct this.... 82 game season....but Instead they dont and wait till the playoffs, down 3-1 In the series facing elimination before they correct it and run drills. Extremely poor! This is why we lost.

It also seems the canucks never do video on the opposition goalie either. Its clear the flames did. What is wrong in the system that leaves such deficientcies?

Jeff Paterson ‎@patersonjeff
In the end, #Canucks had a better regular season than I expected and a poorer playoff than I expected

I understand this but really, for myself, I would say they had a poorer playoffs than I had hoped.

And that Dave Hodge outlook piece, how can you talk about the future and not even mention Virtanen or McCann? Hodge doesn't have a clue, another case of a guy forming or expressing an opinion based on back east "common knowledge" /misconception of what happening in the west.

I know that I don't agree with everything WD did. Don't know everything that happened behind the scenes, what the players were told, any adjustments attempted... some things worked, same result as previous seasons. Is this on the coach? I don't think so.

Tbh, I wonder if the problem was the Canucks taking their foot off the gas again after getting a lead. It has happened too xmany times with the same cast of characters.
- hillbillydeluxe

TBT they are no different Than Gaunce and Jensen until they are taking regular shifts on the Canucks. JV has had his ups and down this year . He could be playing here next year but then again could be playing Jr.

As disappointing as it is, I felt the way the season ended pretty much negated most of the good will that the Canucks gave us in the regular season. Of all the times that the Canucks have broken our hearts, I don't know if there is a worse one than last night. I know the analysis has started and will continue for some time, but right now Im so f*cking disgusted at the way things unfolded yesterday that I don't even want to hear what the players have to say tomorrow.

Think about it - to let a 3 goal lead disappear in the matter of a few minutes in a ELIMINATION GAME. How is that f*cking possible? is there any team (good team) that would actually let such a lead slip away when they are in a do-die situation? But no, the Canucks and their porous defense (I want Sbisa, Weber, Edler, and even Bieksa all gone at this point) somehow managed to defy the odds and give the opposing team not only life but the that extra will to win

I loved what Bieksa has brought emotionally to this team, which is something I've really never seen with Edler, but the former is simply getting too slow and injury prone while the latter always seems to lack that passion/emotion which you desperately need for any kind of success. Someone else here on the board had a good analysis about how he is almost afraid to shoot on the powerplay or whifs in a muffin only to have it blocked and a turn over created. I know he had a much better season than last year but I think he, too, just needs a change of scenery as much as the Canucks do.

This loss is going to hurt probably almost as much as the Stanley Cup fiasco. I'm not sure if everyone will agree, but I can't get out of my mind/reconcile what happened last night. We were WELL on our way to a win if we had just clamped down on defense (although you will say 'what' defense which is partially correct - that said, most hockey people will tell you that anyone can learn how to play defense) and Miller was able to make that key save (again, for the record, the worst signing by the Canucks last year).

It's going to be a long summer, folks, and thinking what could of been

By the way, I know there is a bit of a tradition in chearing along the team that beat you. I'm sorry, I simply can't do that. I think the Flames are a good team and played very well but deep down inside I hope they get completely smoked by Anaheim

Could they actually be traded, and split up to make trade partners feasible? Or is it one of those situations where the franchise will just bite the decline bullet? Trading both would go a long way to fast-tracking the inevitable rebuild. I also think Edler looked pretty injured the last 2 games but is still a solid 2/3D. I wonder if Edmonton would give Pitts first for him.

You all have the pieces to rebuild on the fly. Don't be the Flames of the aughts. And Lack is a keeper, I'd stick with him.

As disappointing as it is, I felt the way the season ended pretty much negated most of the good will that the Canucks gave us in the regular season. Of all the times that the Canucks have broken our hearts, I don't know if there is a worse one than last night. I know the analysis has started and will continue for some time, but right now Im so f*cking disgusted at the way things unfolded yesterday that I don't even want to hear what the players have to say tomorrow.

Think about it - to let a 3 goal lead disappear in the matter of a few minutes in a ELIMINATION GAME. How is that f*cking possible? is there any team (good team) that would actually let such a lead slip away? But no, the Canucks and their porous defense (I want Sbisa, Weber, Edler, and even Bieksa all gone at this point.

I loved what Bieksa brought emotionally which is something I've really never seen with Edler, but the former is simply getting too slow and injury prone while the latter always seems to lack that passion/emotion which you desperately need for any kind of success.

This loss is going to hurt probably almost as much as the Stanley Cup fiasco. I'm not sure if everyone will agree, but I can't get out of my mind/reconcile what happened last night. We were WELL on our way to a win if we had just clamped down on defense (although you will say 'what' defense which is partially correct - that said, most hockey people will tell you that anyone can learn how to play defense) and Miller was able to make that key save (again, for the record, the worst signing by the Canucks last year).

It's going to be a long summer, folks, and thinking what could of been
- Zogg

I am thinking it will be a good summer. Benning seen first hand the lack of talent and effort. He has the power to make many moves. Teams like the Flyers a Sharks Preds Pens Kings Oilers should all be ready to wheeel n deal , rock and roll

As disappointing as it is, I felt the way the season ended pretty much negated most of the good will that the Canucks gave us in the regular season. Of all the times that the Canucks have broken our hearts, I don't know if there is a worse one than last night. I know the analysis has started and will continue for some time, but right now Im so f*cking disgusted at the way things unfolded yesterday that I don't even want to hear what the players have to say tomorrow.

Think about it - to let a 3 goal lead disappear in the matter of a few minutes in a ELIMINATION GAME. How is that f*cking possible? is there any team (good team) that would actually let such a lead slip away when they are in a do-die situation? But no, the Canucks and their porous defense (I want Sbisa, Weber, Edler, and even Bieksa all gone at this point) somehow managed to defy the odds and give the opposing team not only life but the that extra will to win

I loved what Bieksa brought emotionally which is something I've really never seen with Edler, but the former is simply getting too slow and injury prone while the latter always seems to lack that passion/emotion which you desperately need for any kind of success.

This loss is going to hurt probably almost as much as the Stanley Cup fiasco. I'm not sure if everyone will agree, but I can't get out of my mind/reconcile what happened last night. We were WELL on our way to a win if we had just clamped down on defense (although you will say 'what' defense which is partially correct - that said, most hockey people will tell you that anyone can learn how to play defense) and Miller was able to make that key save (again, for the record, the worst signing by the Canucks last year).

It's going to be a long summer, folks, and thinking what could of been
- Zogg

I'm not going to forget the regular season and how surprisingly entertained I was for a majority of their games but this playoffs does sting, although for me it's not in the same level as some of their other notable playoff failures. Honestly, I had pretty much written the season off after their poor showing in game 4.

Now we get to play the blame game all summer long - it was the coaching, it was the defence, it was Miller, it's ownership, it's the forward depth... Everyone seems to be picking one and laying all the blame there, but the Canucks lost as a team, not just because of one single issue.

To me, if you're going to zero in on something, it's that this group is way to easy to throw off their game. A bad call, a big hit, a goal against the flow of play and they completely unravel.

Could they actually be traded, and split up to make trade partners feasible? Or is it one of those situations where the franchise will just bite the decline bullet? Trading both would go a long way to fast-tracking the inevitable rebuild. I also think Edler looked pretty injured the last 2 games but is still a solid 2/3D. I wonder if Edmonton would give Pitts first for him.

You all have the pieces to rebuild on the fly. Don't be the Flames of the aughts. And Lack is a keeper, I'd stick with him.
- FLflames34

Probably not, as long as Linden is Prez

I'm not going to forget the regular season and how surprisingly entertained I was for a majority of their games but this playoffs does sting, although for me it's not in the same level as some of their other notable playoff failures. Honestly, I had pretty much written the season off after their poor showing in game 4.

Now we get to play the blame game all summer long - it was the coaching, it was the defence, it was Miller, it's ownership, it's the forward depth... Everyone seems to be picking one and laying all the blame there, but the Canucks lost as a team, not just because of one single issue.

To me, if you're going to zero in on something, it's that this group is way to easy to throw off their game. A bad call, a big hit, a goal against the flow of play and they completely unravel.
- CubanBuffet

Good points. The one thing you touched on which I fully agree with, is that the Canucks also lack mental toughness and are, as noted, too easily thrown off their game. I don't know if that comes with experience or an inherently acquired trait but if they are to go anywhere ever, they need to rectify that aspects of things. They need to ensure that when teams play the Canucks they are in for a war and not a whimper. A team can go much further than the collective talent level if it has that will to win and their philosophy with respect to losing is that it is simply unacceptable at all costs.

Yes, lots of think about. All I know is I'm still @#$$ stunned at how things unravelled and the regular season seems far far in the past.

Problem is they can't skate
- VANTEL

Do they need to?

I'm not going to forget the regular season and how surprisingly entertained I was for a majority of their games but this playoffs does sting, although for me it's not in the same level as some of their other notable playoff failures. Honestly, I had pretty much written the season off after their poor showing in game 4.

Now we get to play the blame game all summer long - it was the coaching, it was the defence, it was Miller, it's ownership, it's the forward depth... Everyone seems to be picking one and laying all the blame there, but the Canucks lost as a team, not just because of one single issue.

To me, if you're going to zero in on something, it's that this group is way to easy to throw off their game. A bad call, a big hit, a goal against the flow of play and they completely unravel.
- CubanBuffet

Great post

Do they need to?
- Marwood

I am ok with just looking

Ever seen him on the ice for practice? He looks like Grimace on skates...
- PetrolSexual

You're thinking of Kessel.

Hey st Louis fan, you laughing now you twit?
- bloatedmosquito

As disappointing as it is, I felt the way the season ended pretty much negated most of the good will that the Canucks gave us in the regular season. Of all the times that the Canucks have broken our hearts, I don't know if there is a worse one than last night. I know the analysis has started and will continue for some time, but right now Im so f*cking disgusted at the way things unfolded yesterday that I don't even want to hear what the players have to say tomorrow.

Think about it - to let a 3 goal lead disappear in the matter of a few minutes in a ELIMINATION GAME. How is that f*cking possible? is there any team (good team) that would actually let such a lead slip away when they are in a do-die situation? But no, the Canucks and their porous defense (I want Sbisa, Weber, Edler, and even Bieksa all gone at this point) somehow managed to defy the odds and give the opposing team not only life but the that extra will to win

I loved what Bieksa has brought emotionally to this team, which is something I've really never seen with Edler, but the former is simply getting too slow and injury prone while the latter always seems to lack that passion/emotion which you desperately need for any kind of success. Someone else here on the board had a good analysis about how he is almost afraid to shoot on the powerplay or whifs in a muffin only to have it blocked and a turn over created. I know he had a much better season than last year but I think he, too, just needs a change of scenery as much as the Canucks do.

This loss is going to hurt probably almost as much as the Stanley Cup fiasco. I'm not sure if everyone will agree, but I can't get out of my mind/reconcile what happened last night. We were WELL on our way to a win if we had just clamped down on defense (although you will say 'what' defense which is partially correct - that said, most hockey people will tell you that anyone can learn how to play defense) and Miller was able to make that key save (again, for the record, the worst signing by the Canucks last year).

It's going to be a long summer, folks, and thinking what could of been

By the way, I know there is a bit of a tradition in chearing along the team that beat you. I'm sorry, I simply can't do that. I think the Flames are a good team and played very well but deep down inside I hope they get completely smoked by Anaheim
- Zogg

Much better than expected regular season.
Pretty much what I expected if they made the playoffs. Their true colours would be exposed.
Can't wait to see the further changes that Benning makes in the summer to bring this franchise back to contender status in a few years.

The Blues are the new Sharks. Talented, big team with shaky goaltending and underwhelming playoff performances. If they had a Euro captain and/or played in Canada they'd be even more scrutinized.

SSM vs Erie Otters on SNP - McCann vs McDavid

- Zogg

Blues fans laughing at us? Talk about glass houses...

SSM vs Erie Otters on SNP - McCann vs McDavid
- LeftCoaster

SSM is absolutely stacked, Erie has a few junior stars but aren't as deep. Intriguing series!

Absolutely..... he was better at making adjustments to the game.

Defense coach is the guy that should be fired immediately.....lidstrer I believe it is. D was completely unorganized and without direction. This teamhas had all year to correct this.... 82 game season....but Instead they dont and wait till the playoffs, down 3-1 In the series facing elimination before they correct it and run drills. Extremely poor! This is why we lost.

It also seems the canucks never do video on the opposition goalie either. Its clear the flames did. What is wrong in the system that leaves such deficientcies?
- SMBDragon

So Lidster should be fired because, the players could not execute?

UNPHUCKINGBELIEVEABLE.

Media availability at 10:15am tomorrow for the players, 12:30 for Benning and Linden. Should be interesting...

Questions is: does Sportsnet send a camera crew to the Roxy to let Kassian know that the Canucks have been knocked out of the playoffs?

Canucks FANS vs WD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g