Anyone still blaming the coach , needs to give their head a shake. Three coaches ,three years and same results.

The Sedins are two very talented offensive players( I wish they would shoot more) and Bo is the real deal. After that what do you have? The rest of the team is a bunch of mediocre players. Bo and the Twins can not play 60 minutes a night so you need to send someone out there .

Our D is reall not that good . Elder and Tanev ,our top pair would be 3/4 on good teams. We hang onto them as gold in the bank but they are good not great. One of them IMO should be traded . I know some here will say can you imagine what our D will look like without them? I would gladly replace one of them for a Boychuck or Engelland type. I did watch our and they stink. Not only Sbisa and Bieska. This is a very average D.

This is why I say everyone except the three mentioned should be trade eligible

Yep. And most of us will be cheering for the Flames, good luck!
- VanHockeyGuy

I would love nothing more than to watch kesler pouting during the hand shakes but that ducks team is scary big and scary good ....

Anyone still blaming the coach , needs to give their head a shake. Three coaches ,three years and same results.

The Sedins are two very talented offensive players( I wish they would shoot more) and Bo is the real deal. After that what do you have? The rest of the team is a bunch of mediocre players. Bo and the Twins can not play 60 minutes a night so you need to send someone.

Our D is reall not that good . Elder and Tanev ,our top pair would be 3/4 on good teams. We hang onto them as gold in the bank but they are good not great. One of them IMO should be traded . I know some here will say can you imagine what our D will look like without them? I would gladly replace one of them for a Boychuck or Engelland type. I did watch our and they stink. Not only Sbisa and Bieska. This is a very average D.

This is why I say everyone except the three mentioned should be trade eligible
- VANTEL

I know I'd play Higgins over the twins and not line match.

Have another drink

Anyone still blaming the coach , needs to give their head a shake. Three coaches ,three years and same results.

The Sedins are two very talented offensive players( I wish they would shoot more) and Bo is the real deal. After that what do you have? The rest of the team is a bunch of mediocre players. Bo and the Twins can not play 60 minutes a night so you need to send someone.

Our D is reall not that good . Elder and Tanev ,our top pair would be 3/4 on good teams. We hang onto them as gold in the bank but they are good not great. One of them IMO should be traded . I know some here will say can you imagine what our D will look like without them? I would gladly replace one of them for a Boychuck or Engelland type. I did watch our and they stink. Not only Sbisa and Bieska. This is a very average D.

This is why I say everyone except the three mentioned should be trade eligible
- VANTEL

Sbisa/Bieksa were on the ice for over 50% of the goals against. I read on another message board that Luca Sbisa throughout the season and in the playoffs was one of the worst defenders in the league in allowing goals and points he scored with the minutes he got. He's a liability.

He was one of the worst defenders in Anaheim as well. There's a reason why he's already with his third team at a young age.

I would love nothing more than to watch kesler pouting during the hand shakes but that ducks team is scary big and scary good ....
- Redmile247

I'm also rooting for the Flames to beat the Ducks!

Sbisa/Bieksa were on the ice for over 50% of the goals against. I read on another message board that Luca Sbisa throughout the season and in the playoffs was one of the worst defenders in the league in allowing goals and points he scored with the minutes he got. He's a liability.
- Alpha_Nuck

Stop it. Willie is a saint. Every team plays there weaker players more then their best ones in the playoffs. "Give your head a shake" Willie is our 3rd coach in 3 yrs so let's keep him forever.

I know I'd play Higgins over the twins and not line match.

Have another drink
- Bieksa#3

You really don get it . You can not play the twins 60 minutes. To be successful you need to roll 4 lines. When it came to crunch he played the twins more.

He came into the league and everyone new he was a four line coach. If you don't want that don't hire him.

He played what he was given trying to get productivity out of the rest of the team is not a bad thing to do by any coach .

I'm also rooting for the Flames to beat the Ducks!
- Alpha_Nuck

Ducks are still my pick to win it all. Better then the Flames (and canucks ) on every measurable level.

Ducks in 5

And I doubt the canucks would have even gotten one game on them

I'm also rooting for the Flames to beat the Ducks!
- Alpha_Nuck

Ducks are still my pick to win it all. Better then the Flames (and canucks ) on every measurable level.

Ducks in 5

And I doubt the canucks would have even gotten one game on them

Sbisa/Bieksa were on the ice for over 50% of the goals against. I read on another message board that Luca Sbisa throughout the season and in the playoffs was one of the worst defenders in the league in allowing goals and points he scored with the minutes he got. He's a liability.
- Alpha_Nuck

Last night Hamhuis Weber were on for 4 goals , Edler Tanev on for 2 , Sbisa Bieksa 1.

You can not win a series playing 4 Dmen. Bieksa has played with Wber and Edler and those pairing sucked also

Ducks are still my pick to win it all. Better then the Flames (and canucks ) on every measurable level.

Ducks in 5

And I doubt the canucks would have even gotten one game on them
- Bieksa#3

I agree. They're a very well built team now that they're getting decent goaltending. The defense and forwards are rock solid.

You really don get it . You can not play the twins 60 minutes. To be successful you need to roll 4 lines. When it came to crunch he played the twins more.

He came into the league and everyone new he was a four line coach. If you don't want that don't hire him.

He played what he was given trying to get productivity out of the rest of the team is not a bad thing to do by any coach .
- VANTEL

Yawn. Same garbage spew. Have a drink vantal. If you can't understand the difference between saying your best players should play more then 3rd liners and they should play every shift, then you are a waste of time.

Last night Hamhuis Weber were on for 4 goals , Edler Tanev on for 2 , Sbisa Bieksa 1.

You can not win a series playing 4 Dmen. Bieksa has played with Wber and Edler and those pairing sucked also
- VANTEL

But why adjust the lines when guys aren't playing well. Only a bad coach does that. Just keep putting them out there so the same thing happens. That's what the great coaches do

Last night Hamhuis Weber were on for 4 goals , Edler Tanev on for 2 , Sbisa Bieksa 1.

You can not win a series playing 4 Dmen. Bieksa has played with Wber and Edler and those pairing sucked also
- VANTEL

I like the idea of looking at the full 88 game sample size. It proved that Sbisa is just not very good at the NHL level. His hockey sense and puckhandling is not NHL level. His size/skating is. He may have a 3.6 million dollar hockey body, but unfortunately he has a 2 cent hockey brain.

Yawn. Same garbage spew. Have a drink vantal. If you can't understand the difference between saying your best players should play more then 3rd liners and they should play every shift, then you are a waste of time.
- Bieksa#3

Maybe you should pay closer attention because according to our other previous coaches Higgins was a second liner not a third liner and Hansen is a first liner.

You just don't get it that the talent level on this team is paper thin

I like the idea of looking at the full 88 game sample size. It proved that Sbisa is just not very good at the NHL level. His hockey sense and puckhandling is not NHL level. His size/skating is. He may have a 3.6 million dollar hockey body, but unfortunately he had a 2 cent hockey brain.
- Alpha_Nuck

I am not saying he is . He is definitely a bottom pair , but I will wait until he gets a decent partner before I pass judgment.

Bieksa has a list of Dmen that when paired with him they turn out looking like all star pee wee players. Bieksa with his untimely pinches and passes into the feet could not help anyone.

Sbisa looked much better earlier this year playing with Clendenning Weber or Biega

But why adjust the lines when guys aren't playing well. Only a bad coach does that. Just keep putting them out there so the same thing happens. That's what the great coaches do
- Bieksa#3

Who do you blame last year when WD was not here or the year before ?

They both played over 20 minutes last night we lost 7-4 blame the coach

its all lus fault

I am not saying he is . He is definitely a bottom pair , but I will wait until he gets a decent partner before I pass judgment.

Bieksa has a list of Dmen that when paired with him they turn out looking like all star pee wee players. Bieksa with his untimely pinches and passes into the feet could not help anyone.

Sbisa looked much better earlier this year playing with Clendenning Weber or Biega
- VANTEL

Sbisa is a 5/6 12 to 14 minute guy at best, Benning paid him too much but that's neither here nor there, Benning needs to find a way to put guys in the proper roles or play with youth. I've had just about enough of guys playing out of position!!

Sbisa is a 5/6 12 to 14 minute guy at best, Benning paid him too much but that's neither here nor there, Benning needs to find a way to put guys in the proper roles or play with youth. I've had just about enough of guys playing out of position!!
- LeftCoaster

Exactly.

Get him a decent pairing for the bottom next year ( not Fire Drill Kev ) , have him play 12 minutes a night and he will be fine

You and I use to have some long debats about the twins. I use to say they were too soft. I think this was my best year ever for them. They did provide leadership and grit. I really wish Daniel and Hank would shoot more , but I do realize that the problem is we don't provide them with any secondary talent

Tort's on Canucks

"We're not in 2011."

"The team needs to be retooled."

"The core is stale." (But that's not their fault, he said.)

"We lack depth."

"We need youth."

"The team is trending. It's getting older. It does need to be revitalized."

Anyone still blaming the coach , needs to give their head a shake. Three coaches ,three years and same results.

The Sedins are two very talented offensive players( I wish they would shoot more) and Bo is the real deal. After that what do you have? The rest of the team is a bunch of mediocre players. Bo and the Twins can not play 60 minutes a night so you need to send someone out there .

Our D is reall not that good . Elder and Tanev ,our top pair would be 3/4 on good teams. We hang onto them as gold in the bank but they are good not great. One of them IMO should be traded . I know some here will say can you imagine what our D will look like without them? I would gladly replace one of them for a Boychuck or Engelland type. I did watch our and they stink. Not only Sbisa and Bieska. This is a very average D.

This is why I say everyone except the three mentioned should be trade eligible
- VANTEL

WD Got outcoached.

WD Got outcoached.

- VanHockeyGuy

Hartley is a Stanley Cup winning coach , WD is a rookie.

Hartley did not have Janick Hansen as a first line forward or Higgins and Bonino on his second line.

Swap rosters I bet we win too

Tort's on Canucks

"We're not in 2011."

"The team needs to be retooled."

"The core is stale." (But that's not their fault, he said.)

"We lack depth."

"We need youth."

"The team is trending. It's getting older. It does need to be revitalized."
- VanHockeyGuy

I may sound like I'm a huge Benning defender here, which I slightly am although it's still very early in his tenure.

JB has brought in several players under the age of 25, Pedan, Clendening, Baertschi, Vey & Sbisa…without giving up anything other than draft picks. We didn't have anything to give up in terms of players, for the record. He's also drafted three very good players in the top 35 of last years draft.

It'll be interesting to see how many draft picks he can recoup for this years draft, I'm hopping for at the very least a 2nd and a 3rd rounder.

Hartley is a Stanley Cup winning coach , WD is a rookie.

Hartley did not have Janick Hansen as a first line forward or Higgins and Bonino on his second line.

Swap rosters I bet we win too
- VANTEL

As I said, WD has to own some of this. You will see a coaching matchup in the next series. WD is a good coach who learned some things.