I've been watching junior hockey for many years. The McDavid hype is legit. This guy ain't no Hall/RNH/Yak, he's truly a generational prospect.

Fair enough, but what did you think the end game was for this season?

IIRC MGT hoped to make the playoffs, but I don't think they had any delusions of going deep.

Of course I want them to win in the playoffs, but thinking this roster was going deep would be drooling on yourself idiocy.

Losing sucks... It stings. It hurts when you care about your team. Take a few days to cool off and look at the bigger picture.

I resigned myself last August to losing in the first round once we had learned the direction that MGT wanted to go. I had hoped that they weren't going to put lipstick on a pig, but MGT chose what they did... And the result was predictable. Vantel, Myself and a few others said as much from the word GO.

Part of my frustration is that this year MGT chose to sell tickets rather than do what was truly necessary.

Appreciate the compliment coated shyte sandwich; however, cleaning out the coaching staff for the results the players put out in my estimation is crazy town.
- rugdnit

All good points, and I apologize for the tone of the post that you are responding to, it was uncalled for. I said going into the season that I would be content with making the playoffs this season, and given a couple of days to digest I will probably get back there, but for now I'm closer to how Zogg is feeling. It's not so much that they lost, but the manner in which they completely unravelled against a team that I felt they had a good shot against.

The Canucks spent the entire season convincing me that while they might not be the most talented, they were no longer a team that would go meekly into that good night, but in the end that's exactly what they did, and it's bitter.

All good points, and I apologize for the tone of the post that you are responding to, it was uncalled for. I said going into the season that I would be content with making the playoffs this season, and given a couple of days to digest I will probably get back there, but for now I'm closer to how Zogg is feeling. It's not so much that they lost, but the manner in which they completely unravelled against a team that I felt they had a good shot against.

The Canucks spent the entire season convincing me that while they might not be the most talented, they were no longer a team that would go meekly into that good night, but in the end that's exactly what they did, and it's bitter.
- CubanBuffet

You should flag the Canucks

All good points, and I apologize for the tone of the post that you are responding to, it was uncalled for. I said going into the season that I would be content with making the playoffs this season, and given a couple of days to digest I will probably get back there, but for now I'm closer to how Zogg is feeling. It's not so much that they lost, but the manner in which they completely unravelled against a team that I felt they had a good shot against.

The Canucks spent the entire season convincing me that while they might not be the most talented, they were no longer a team that would go meekly into that good night, but in the end that's exactly what they did, and it's bitter.
- CubanBuffet

Well said.

You should flag the Canucks
- A_SteamingLombardi

Ummm, what?

I've been watching junior hockey for many years. The McDavid hype is legit. This guy ain't no Hall/RNH/Yak, he's truly a generational prospect.
- Alpha_Nuck

Thanks tips

All good points, and I apologize for the tone of the post that you are responding to, it was uncalled for. I said going into the season that I would be content with making the playoffs this season, and given a couple of days to digest I will probably get back there, but for now I'm closer to how Zogg is feeling. It's not so much that they lost, but the manner in which they completely unravelled against a team that I felt they had a good shot against.

The Canucks spent the entire season convincing me that while they might not be the most talented, they were no longer a team that would go meekly into that good night, but in the end that's exactly what they did, and it's bitter.
- CubanBuffet

No need to apologize-- I get it. We are all stinging; However, calling to burn the witch is premature. WD may have made a few mistakes here and there, but he's a players coach. He rolled 4 lines and stuck with his guys. His guys let him down. I don't think we should burn the witch for that. That type of loyalty with the right crew pays for itself in spades. All in due time.

I have been following this team from the early 80s as a kid. They have broken my heart time and time again. In my hockey travels I have learned more about the business side of this. At the end of the day they have to sell season tickets.

In a perfect world this team should have been allowed by it's fan base to tear it down and suffer through another bad season and cash in via the draft.

As such look at those rabid fans in Buffalo or TO. Despite futility they show up in droves. It's too bad MGT didn't have that luxury. We have spoiled fans in Vancouver and they need to sell season tickets.

Shame on us for buying in and thinking there was hope. WD really got more out of these guys than most could have. Plus / Minus a few mistakes he did a pretty damn good job year one all things considered.

I am happy they lost the way they did-- The weak players that need to go were exposed. There is no sugar coating it any more. They cannot hide. Change will come. It has to.

I get why MGT did what they did, but I do not accept it. I stand here today vindicated for my assessment last summer.

Again-- I appreciate all you guys and the civil manner in which we talk this out. When I look at the other bloggers and the traffic they have I am pretty proud of us as a group. I am looking forward to a summer of more change.

Cheers guys!

All good points, and I apologize for the tone of the post that you are responding to, it was uncalled for. I said going into the season that I would be content with making the playoffs this season, and given a couple of days to digest I will probably get back there, but for now I'm closer to how Zogg is feeling. It's not so much that they lost, but the manner in which they completely unravelled against a team that I felt they had a good shot against.

The Canucks spent the entire season convincing me that while they might not be the most talented, they were no longer a team that would go meekly into that good night, but in the end that's exactly what they did, and it's bitter.
- CubanBuffet

Once upon a time we used to judge the team we had exclusively by their performances in the playoffs. A gap year away from the show and we're back to judging from regular season play because, to be fair, that's all we had.

But to be honest not enough impactful change had occurred since getting swept by SJ to really merit thoughts that somehow this wasn't that same team. A few depth guys, a decent UFA signing (played out of place), and a quality rookie, not to mention a downgrade at G, isn't enough to change that level of complexion. That said, it should have been enough to beat Calgary.

I've been watching junior hockey for many years. The McDavid hype is legit. This guy ain't no Hall/RNH/Yak, he's truly a generational prospect.
- Alpha_Nuck

Buddy has 18 goals and 32 points in 12 playoff games. That's freakish. But he still won't be enough to turn that Oilers team around on his own. If they make all the right moves it'll still take years.

Once upon a time we used to judge the team we had exclusively by their performances in the playoffs. A gap year away from the show and we're back to judging from regular season play because, to be fair, that's all we had.

But to be honest not enough impactful change had occurred since getting swept by SJ to really merit thoughts that somehow this wasn't that same team. A few depth guys, a decent UFA signing (played out of place), and a quality rookie, not to mention a downgrade at G, isn't enough to change that level of complexion. That said, it should have been enough to beat Calgary.
- AlexF

Perhaps, but the chemistry that Hudler and Gaudreau have had was probably not even anticipated by Calgary either. The irrelevant play of Ferklund didn't help either.

That's what I love about youth in a lineup-- They go for it. They don't always feel the gravity of the situation like a vet would. When it works the coach is a genius. When it bombs... Everybody wants to burn the witch.

Hudler and Gaudreau themselves knocked the Kings out of the playoffs ( on more than one occasion ).

Buddy has 18 goals and 32 points in 12 playoff games. That's freakish. But he still won't be enough to turn that Oilers team around on his own. If they make all the right moves it'll still take years.
- AlexF

What the actual (frank)

Blame the coach.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...canucks-failed-to-adjust/

Blame the coach.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...canucks-failed-to-adjust/
- Grumpy13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

- Scooby_Doo

Banned for what

Banned for what
- VANTEL

I haven't been banned in years.

Benning needs to draft defensemen this year, Kylington anyone? A bit of an OEL clone from what I read.....
- chompsey

He's mistake prone from the limited amount of video I've seen of him.

I peg him as a huge dropper this upcoming draft.

What the actual (frank)
- bezz44

Better than Crosby lol

Perhaps, but the chemistry that Hudler and Gaudreau have had was probably not even anticipated by Calgary either. The irrelevant play of Ferklund didn't help either.

That's what I love about youth in a lineup-- They go for it. They don't always feel the gravity of the situation like a vet would. When it works the coach is a genius. When it bombs... Everybody wants to burn the witch.

Hudler and Gaudreau themselves knocked the Kings out of the playoffs ( on more than one occasion ).
- rugdnit

Full credit to the Flames management on that one. They constructed a 1st line (the most successful in the NHL this season) almost out of thin air. Gaudreau (rookie, 4th Rd pick 2011), Monahan (sophomore), Hudler (UFA).

A little perspective here, we really weren't a playoff team if you look at all the numbers. We were at the bottom half of nearly every major metric (advanced or not) and our faceoff percentage was atrocious. Let's not forget, SJ, LA and Dallas all had down years and missed the playoffs due to various reasons. We feasted on the bottom feeders but we really didn't have much of a winning record against playoff-bound teams. Let's face it, Calgary played out of their minds and played outside of their collective talent level, the Canucks played to the limits of theirs.

Does this sting? Sure, but I'm going to wait until we find out what the injuries were, because it's obvious more than a few guys (especially on defense) were playing with multiple and in some cases what should have been season-ending injuries.

?Hamhuis? why should he be moved? that makes no sense. He is still our top dman... Bieksa should be retired or traded at draft day. we'll need

edler tanev
hamhuis weber
sbisa xxxx

forward lines
sedin sedin vrbata
burrows bonino xxxx
hansen horvat xxxx
dorsett xxxx xxxx

Maybe Kenins/ Baertschi get back in to the lineup, maybe not. we'll have some cap money if Richardson, Matthias, Higgins are not coming back to play with though. I'm hoping we spend it on a decent dman. can't have enough good d help. hopefully someone who can move the puck without coughing it up like edler.

I really think edler let us down in game 6 with his giveaways that lead to goals against...

?Hamhuis? why should he be moved? that makes no sense. He is still our top dman... Bieksa should be retired or traded at draft day. we'll need

edler tanev
hamhuis weber
sbisa xxxx

forward lines
sedin sedin vrbata
burrows bonino xxxx
hansen horvat xxxx
dorsett xxxx xxxx

Maybe Kenins/ Baertschi get back in to the lineup, maybe not. we'll have some cap money if Richardson, Matthias, Higgins are not coming back to play with though. I'm hoping we spend it on a decent dman. can't have enough good d help. hopefully someone who can move the puck without coughing it up like edler.

I really think edler let us down in game 6 with his giveaways that lead to goals against...
- kaptaan

Ummm no. This roster would get us nowhere again. This is a year of serious change or tank .

Ed Wiles had a very good write up . The readers digest version is

Our D sucks and is very average at best

The drop off between the Sedins talent and the rest of the team is unexcusable

We need to get bigger and grittier so no names like Ferland don't rip us apart

Bo needs to be second line centre.

We need new faces

Ed Wiles had a very good write up . The readers digest version is

Our D sucks and is very average at best

The drop off between the Sedins talent and the rest of the team is unexcusable

We need to get bigger and grittier so no names like Ferland don't rip us apart

Bo needs to be second line centre.

We need new faces
- VANTEL

I approve of this message!!

Full credit to the Flames management on that one. They constructed a 1st line (the most successful in the NHL this season) almost out of thin air. Gaudreau (rookie, 4th Rd pick 2011), Monahan (sophomore), Hudler (UFA).
- AlexF

Absolutely. Forgot to mention Monahan in there. He's a stud-- Stepped right in last year.

I was driving the angle the both Hudler and Gaudreau are both small guys. They took a chance on JG and he's been dynamite.

Full credit to Calgary for sure.