[quote=rugdnit]Offer him a job in player development?
- Grumpy13[/quot
The only way to get rid of him is a buyout.

No need to buy him out put him on waivers some one will grab him , his salary next year is only 2 mil

No need to buy him out put him on waivers some one will grab him , his salary next year is only 2 mil
- VANTEL

His cap hit is $4,600,000.

So Lidster should be fired because, the players could not execute?

UNPHUCKINGBELIEVEABLE.
- rugdnit

Obviously you don't understand how coaching works and what their job is for. I guess you think
Players are just let on the ice to do what they want? Do you think coaches are cheerleaders? Its ok, your area of the world isnt really a hockey area so you cant be expected to understand the sport compared to a country to lives and breathes hockey.

So the D was completely without direction or any kind of organization. What is really clear is these guys havent beenshown where they are supposed to be within the system of play. This is the job of the defense coach. As in runn ing drills to correct bad habits.

But regardless how do you wait untill playoffs down 3-1 to start ruNning drills? A bit too late id say.....thats trainiNg camp and regular season material. Players need the season to perfect their play in the system. But They couldn't be bothered to address this. Where I come from when someone isnt doing their job they get canned.

*tugging* nope, still no gold

All the feel good stories and excuses unfortunately aren't going to mitigate what was a complete disaster last night. Like I said, we will (or I think most of us will) remember this season based on the sheer collapse of Game 6 and not the semi- feel good story of the regular season. Even though I felt the Canucks were much more entertaining than last year, you have to make the absolute best out of every chance you get when you make the play-offs. Canucks did not do that and no excuse can be made of yesterday's debacle. None.

I realize the Canucks have a lack of talent and are still in the stages of developing younger and up and coming players, but none of that matters when it comes to what happened last night. Even a team with half the talent but twice the heart and will would NEVER have allowed what happened. We are talking about having ALL the momentum and being up by three goals. No matter what you make of things, it was a disgraceful end to a decent season. And for me, I tend to take the most recent result as a reflection of where a team is at. Therefore, I have a very bad taste in my mouth as to how it all played out.

As far as the future, who knows who will be here and who will be gone when next season rolls around. To me that is a very distant assessment to be made. Right now, however, and probably for quite a while, the 7-4 score is the first thing I'll remember when anyone asks about the Canucks season. Vancouver, despite its lack of overall talent and skill, had a fantastic opportunity only to completely blow it. That is as a result of philosophy/mentality and fortitude and has much less to do with actual talent (can you honestly say that you felt Calgary was that much more skiilled than the Canucks? if you're honest with yourself you will agree that was not the case, but rather the Flames will and desire to win at all costs was much greater than VAncouver's)
- Zogg

First you're setting yourself up for disappointment thinking the Canucks are good defensively, they're not. The numbers prove that, they were in the bottom half of the league.

Secondly, I can say with 100 percent certainty the Flames are more talented because it's right there for everyone to see. Their defence had four players with more than 30 points including two with 40+ and one with 50+. Who scored their two goals in game one when their top line was struggling? Brodie and Russell.

How many defensemen scored for the Canucks this series? They've got a deeper more talented team than we do...end of story.

His cap hit is $4,600,000.
- Grumpy13

Yes and a team like Arizona could grab him and pay his salary of 2 mil

Yes and a team like Arizona could grab him and pay his salary of 2 mil
- VANTEL

Let's do it.

First you're setting yourself up for disappointment thinking the Canucks are good defensively, they're not. The numbers prove that, they were in the bottom half of the league.

Secondly, I can say with 100 percent certainty the Flames are more talented because it's right there for everyone to see. Their defence had four players with more than 30 points including two with 40+ and one with 50+. Who scored their two goals in game one when their top line was struggling? Brodie and Russell.

How many defensemen scored for the Canucks this series? They've got a deeper more talented team than we do...end of story.
- LeftCoaster

Sbisa scored this series

Sbisa scored this series
- VANTEL

How do we rid ourselves of Sbisa and Higgins?

Sbisa scored this series
- VANTEL

even a broken clock is right twice a day!

Watching this Sault St Marie vs Erie Game.

In 2 games so far this series.

Connor Mcdavid has 8 goals
rest of the team has 3 goals.

Sbisa scored this series
- VANTEL

Considering how bad our D was offensively, it's amazing that we were ever able to score on the PP.

Let's do it.
- Grumpy13

Bieksa will accept JBs offer to trade him. At least he could give him 10 choices. Otherwise who knows where he ends up

Of course none of us know for sure, but my crystal ball goes like this.

Kassian to EDM or Bos
Higgins to Pens
Edler to Phi EDM NYI Buff
Miller to SJ or
Lack to Phil EDM SJ
Burrows to Mtl , NYR, Pens ANA
Tanev to EDM
Bieksa to who is ever foolish enough.
Markstom to anyone.
Matthias gone
Richardson gone

I don't expect all or even half of them but I would not be surprised if 3 or 4 happened
- VANTEL

So you want them to trade ALL 3 of our goalies? Are we gonna have an empty net all season? And tanev too....our best D. Wow, some plan

Obviously you don't understand how coaching works and what their job is for. I guess you think
Players are just let on the ice to do what they want? Do you think coaches are cheerleaders? Its ok, your area of the world isnt really a hockey area so you cant be expected to understand the sport compared to a country to lives and breathes hockey.

So the D was completely without direction or any kind of organization. What is really clear is these guys havent beenshown where they are supposed to be within the system of play. This is the job of the defense coach. As in runn ing drills to correct bad habits.

But regardless how do you wait untill playoffs down 3-1 to start ruNning drills? A bit too late id say.....thats trainiNg camp and regular season material. Players need the season to perfect their play in the system. But They couldn't be bothered to address this. Where I come from when someone isnt doing their job they get canned.
- SMBDragon

For such a condescending post you missed some pretty obvious points. Play within a system is one thing, and errors in positioning and the player not knowing what they are supposed to do within that system can certainly be attributed at least in part to the coach. Yet you have missed the countless fumbling with the puck, lack of on-ice awareness and poor decision making in their own end. Poor physicality, and shot quality. These can't be pinpointed solely on coaching. Either these players are severely underperforming, or are simply not very good.

Edler to Philly
Markstrom to Edmonton
Bieksa to Pitt


???
- rugdnit

D
Looking at it another way, we need to improve on D something drastic. I anticipate our 1st round pick will used towards getting a D. Beyond that Benning should be taking calls for every single one of our Dmen, see what's on offer, take the best deals to improve. We need at least 1 offensive Dman coming in.

G
Our goaltending, one of our strong points for years until recently, is now mediocre at best. Miller is past his best and I don't believe Lack will ever develop into starting goalie material for any team with post-season aspirations. We need a new goalie.

FW
The Sedins will stay (their combined contract more than anything), as will (my guess) Horvat, Vrbata, Dorsett, Vey, and Baertschi. I'm guessing we'll have at least two prospects on the roster making the jump next season. For everyone else, Benning should be fielding calls to see what's out there.

So you want them to trade ALL 3 of our goalies? Are we gonna have an empty net all season? And tanev too....our best D. Wow, some plan
- SMBDragon

It's not an offseason plan, those are his guesses on potential moves. Obviously there won't be 3 goalies moved. He laid out possible destinations for each.

D
Looking at it another way, we need to improve on D something drastic. I anticipate our 1st round pick will used towards getting a D. Beyond that Benning should be taking calls for every single one of our Dmen, see what's on offer, take the best deals to improve.

G
Our goaltending, one of our strong points for years until recently, is now mediocre at best. Miller is past his best and I don't believe Lack will ever develop into starting goalie material for any team with post-season aspirations. We need a new goalie.

FW
The Sedins will stay (their combined contract more than anything), as will (my guess) Horvat, Vrbata, Dorsett, Vey, and Baertschi. I'm guessing we'll have at least two prospects on the roster making the jump next season. For everyone else, Benning should be fielding calls to see what's out there.
- AlexF

There should be lots of deals to be made this offseason. Between teams trying to pull out of their tank jobs and teams that failed to meet expectations, there should be lots of activity. Combine that with a less then stellar free agent class and Gms should have blisters on their fingers by the end of summer from working the phones so hard.

Considering how bad our D was offensively, it's amazing that we were ever able to score on the PP.
- CubanBuffet

Why didn't we trade Sbisa at the deadline? Biega and Corrado are better than hom.

I thought we should have won game one and game six, and, the series was entertaining. Although I almost threw the coffee table thru the TV a few times, but we just weren't good enough.

So you want them to trade ALL 3 of our goalies? Are we gonna have an empty net all season? And tanev too....our best D. Wow, some plan
- SMBDragon

Try reading it properly .

Miller to / or Lack to

I guess you wrote your post before reading all of mine where I explained not all of these would happen but some could

Why didn't we trade Sbisa at the deadline? Biega and Corrado are better than hom.
- Grumpy13

If I had to guess, it would be because he brings toughness, or at least is capable of bringing it, an element that is severely lacking on our roster and which Biega and Corrado don't contribute to. If I had to guess. Because defensively, both those players are at least as good as Sbisa.

If I had to guess, it would be because he brings toughness, or at least is capable of bringing it, an element that is severely lacking on our roster and which Biega and Corrado don't contribute to. If I had to guess. Because defensively, both those players are at least as good as Sbisa.
- CubanBuffet

It's actually incredible how little size and/or toughness we have on the backend. Sbisa is not tough by most standards but on this team he's viewed as such (by some).

Gillis tried to address our lack of size at the back with the Ballard trade, bringing Alberts in, even Garrison. None have worked. Even Edler, who was once a bit tougher and more offensive, has ceased to be either of those.

Unless you have Ryan Sutter shutdown skills then you really need to bring more than one element to the equation.

For such a condescending post you missed some pretty obvious points. Play within a system is one thing, and errors in positioning and the player not knowing what they are supposed to do within that system can certainly be attributed at least in part to the coach. Yet you have missed the countless fumbling with the puck, lack of on-ice awareness and poor decision making in their own end. Poor physicality, and shot quality. These can't be pinpointed solely on coaching. Either these players are severely underperforming, or are simply not very good.
- bezz44

Sure theres issues with decision making and fumbles and yes this is on the player and coach too since you should be running drills if this happens alot. Like it does at epidemic rate Lazy coaches won't.
Notice how the run drills for 2 days and it improves drastically and led to a win in game 5.

Personally I wanted lineup changes on D all year as well. We definately need some D changes. Hopefully edler just needs some tooling with drills and practice.... we can pray lol

One more thing..... what kind of defensive coach keeps bieksa / sbisa paired constantly when it clearly is a disastrous pairing? Responsible Hamius is the right match for bieksa who is high risk.

It's actually incredible how little size and/or toughness we have on the backend. Sbisa is not tough by most standards but on this team he's viewed as such (by some).

Gillis tried to address our lack of size at the back with the Ballard trade, bringing Alberts in, even Garrison. None have worked. Even Edler, who was once a bit tougher and more offensive, has ceased to be either of those.

Unless you have Ryan Sutter shutdown skills then you really need to bring elements to the equation.
- AlexF

A top three of Hamhius, Edler and Tanev, while each nice players in their own, is not ideal.

If I had to guess, it would be because he brings toughness, or at least is capable of bringing it, an element that is severely lacking on our roster and which Biega and Corrado don't contribute to. If I had to guess. Because defensively, both those players are at least as good as Sbisa.
- CubanBuffet

I am trying not to defend Sbisa on every post ( not directed at you) , but blaming Sbisa has become the trendy thing to do amongst Canuck fans. He was on for one of the seven goals last night but still continues to be Canucks favourite whipping boy.

This whole D core is average at best. I don't know how many times Hamhuis looked like he was skating in cement, or Bieksa black outs. Edler had some pretty brutal nights also.

Tanev has been hailed as the next great one on here when in fact he is a little above average. He gave up untimely goals the same as everyone else and did nothing to help the offensive side of this team. He is a good positional DMan with limited mistakes.

The point is this is a very average D and like I said before our top pairing would be a 3/4 on a good team.

Everyone blaming Sbisa is nuts