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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 20 @ 2:58 PM ET
After McDavid and Eichel, you've got Strome, Barzal, Hanifin, Proporov, Rantanen, and Marner. 2 of those players will be available. Is losing your 2nd rounder worth picking one of them over the other?
- jmatchett383



If Hextall really likes one, then yes.

We see them as close but maybe with all the scouting these guys do they might have some rated higher and others might have flaws they just don't like.

WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 20 @ 2:58 PM ET
After McDavid and Eichel, you've got Strome, Barzal, Hanifin, Proporov, Rantanen, and Marner. At least 2 of those players will be available, and you can add Crouse/Zacha/Werenski to that list. Is losing your 2nd rounder worth picking one of them over the other?
- jmatchett383


This^
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 20 @ 2:59 PM ET
Will Dennis Yan have a better NHL career than Yann Denis?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 20 @ 3:00 PM ET
If Hextall really likes one, then yes.

We see them as close but maybe with all the scouting these guys do they might have some rated higher and others might have flaws they just don't like.

- J35Bacher


And if he does, that's fine. If he really thinks that Strome (for instance) is their guy and he's available at 4/5, then maybe you push for him. But personally, I don't think it's worth it. The 3-8 area (possibly further) seems to 1A/1B/1C/1D/etc. to me that I don't think one guy really stands out enough to move assets for.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:01 PM ET
I still wouldn't do it. I just don't think that talent in the top 7 projected, outside of McD and Eichel, is a steep decrease in talent. Unless Hextall really, really wants Hanifin, I just don't see the sense in it, personally.
- WarriorHockey21

Yeah I'm personally just getting too excited for Hanifin. Past McDavid and Eichel, he's my personal best player available. The way he reads and anticipates plays and always stays in control is really promising to watch. He's the kind of dman who's always one step ahead.
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 20 @ 3:01 PM ET
If Hextall really likes one, then yes.

We see them as close but maybe with all the scouting these guys do they might have some rated higher and others might have flaws they just don't like.

- J35Bacher


Absolutely.. I just hope it's solid scouting and not this fly-by-the-seat-of-our-pants crap we've seen in the past where scouts say they're better, and they turn out average... then you lose your 2nd on top of it..

I mean, I trust Hextall to know what he's doing more than me... plus all of the inside info going around.. but I just hope he would have a full proof plan if he decides to do that..
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Apr 20 @ 3:02 PM ET
Well, they "rescinded" Malkin's instigator in 2008, but they upheld Craig Adams' in 2012, so...yeah, who knows.
- jmatchett383


Oh yea, Colin Campbell, whose son was conveniently traded to the Bruins from the Panthers the year they won the cup.

What did they call stuff like that, ( rescinding the suspension) when something was written in stone in advance and the ends justify the means- Manifest Destiny?

Bettmans Manifest Destiny of Marketing post 04-05 lockout.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:02 PM ET
Will Dennis Yan have a better NHL career than Yann Denis?
- jmatchett383

I'm not sure, the extra "n" could really be a big difference down the line.
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 20 @ 3:02 PM ET
Yeah I'm personally just getting too excited for Hanifin. Past McDavid and Eichel, he's my personal best player available. The way he reads and anticipates plays and always stays in control is really promising to watch. He's the kind of dman who's always one step ahead.
- JAKEw1234


I really like him too... He's the one I would consider the move for, if it was me.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:03 PM ET
I really like him too... He's the one I would consider the move for, if it was me.
- WarriorHockey21

I approve of the Archer btw
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 20 @ 3:04 PM ET
I approve of the Archer btw
- JAKEw1234


I love that show.. it's one of the few that can always make me laugh because it's so ridiculous. Outside of season 5, of course..
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 20 @ 3:05 PM ET
And if he does, that's fine. If he really thinks that Strome (for instance) is their guy and he's available at 4/5, then maybe you push for him. But personally, I don't think it's worth it. The 3-8 area (possibly further) seems to 1A/1B/1C/1D/etc. to me that I don't think one guy really stands out enough to move assets for.
- jmatchett383



And I am ok staying put if that is how they feel.

But if Hextall feels Strome is the next best to the top 2 I am ok moving an extra pick or trying to get him. I am ok with quality over quantity.

AGL_91
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:05 PM ET
I can see the Devils trading down if Hanifin is available at 6. You think a team like CBJ or SJ would pony up a good offer.

My mock goes

mcDavid
Eichel
Strome
Hanifin
Marner
Bazal
Provorov
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 20 @ 3:07 PM ET
And I am ok staying put if that is how they feel.

But if Hextall feels Strome is the next best to the top 2 I am ok moving an extra pick or trying to get him. I am ok with quality over quantity.

- J35Bacher


Absolutely. As the GM, it's his job to use his assets to attempt to assemble the best team he can. I, personally, don't feel that it's worth it based on the parity of the players, but he may feel differently.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:08 PM ET
I love that show.. it's one of the few that can always make me laugh because it's so ridiculous. Outside of season 5, of course..
- WarriorHockey21

Well I like season 5
I just still find it crazy that they by chance named their spy agency ISIS at the start of the show. That's insanely bad luck.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:09 PM ET
And I am ok staying put if that is how they feel.

But if Hextall feels Strome is the next best to the top 2 I am ok moving an extra pick or trying to get him. I am ok with quality over quantity.

- J35Bacher

I would actually be pretty disappointed if we moved up for Strome. His skating is too much of a question to go that high, imo.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 20 @ 3:09 PM ET
Absolutely.. I just hope it's solid scouting and not this fly-by-the-seat-of-our-pants crap we've seen in the past where scouts say they're better, and they turn out average... then you lose your 2nd on top of it..

I mean, I trust Hextall to know what he's doing more than me... plus all of the inside info going around.. but I just hope he would have a full proof plan if he decides to do that..

- WarriorHockey21



I think we have seen Hextall move away from previous regime mistakes.

-The public stance not to trade youth for a one year shot

-Even though he fired berube, he is taking his time. How many times was a coach fired and someone was just promoted from inside.

-He's made two shrewd moves with the trades of Coburn and Kimmo.

-His acknowledgement that they need to clean up the cap a little to create space.


I like the stuff so far. I think he will do his due diligence on players. But I am ok if he feels strome could be the guy he wants to move up to get him.

WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 20 @ 3:10 PM ET
Well I like season 5
I just still find it crazy that they by chance named their spy agency ISIS at the start of the show. That's insanely bad luck.

- JAKEw1234


I just couldn't get into 5 as much with the whole Vice concept, and Cheryl's singing career, and skinny Pam... idk, it was just.. different. But this season was back in form to the old ways again..
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
I think we have seen Hextall move away from previous regime mistakes.

-The public stance not to trade youth for a one year shot

-Even though he fired berube, he is taking his time. How many times was a coach fired and someone was just promoted from inside.

-He's made two shrewd moves with the trades of Coburn and Kimmo.

-His acknowledgement that they need to clean up the cap a little to create space.


I like the stuff so far. I think he will do his due diligence on players. But I am ok if he feels strome could be the guy he wants to move up to get him.

- J35Bacher


Yep, agreed. The only thing I didn't like was the Hartnell trade.. Not that he traded him, but that he took Umberger back. I mean, even if they traded Hartnell for a late round pick straight up, it would have been better. I just don't understand that the best deal they could have gotten for him was taking Umberger back. There HAD to have been more interest with lesser consequences...

But I digress...


Overall though, I like where Hextall is going with the organization.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
I just couldn't get into 5 as much with the whole Vice concept, and Cheryl's singing career, and skinny Pam... idk, it was just.. different. But this season was back in form to the old ways again..
- WarriorHockey21

The whole premise for all of that was because of real life ISIS, too. Terrorists affect all of us
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
Such bullpoop. Had that been a guy like Rinaldo, they would have upheld it.
- jmatchett383



Burrows walks on two legs.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 20 @ 3:14 PM ET
Burrows walks on two legs.
- Moose_15


hahaha
WarriorHockey21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 20 @ 3:15 PM ET
The whole premise for all of that was because of real life ISIS, too. Terrorists affect all of us
- JAKEw1234


Yeah, what sucky coincidence that they named the organization that when the terrorist org didn't really exist... then out of nowhere, they have to change the name..
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 20 @ 3:18 PM ET
I can see the Devils trading down if Hanifin is available at 6. You think a team like CBJ or SJ would pony up a good offer.

My mock goes

mcDavid
Eichel
Strome
Hanifin
Marner
Bazal
Provorov

- AGL_91


Is there any huge 3-4 year project dmen projected to go in the first round?
Perhaps a Brandon Carlo. He will probably be higher on the Flyers draft board than Provorov.

Besides when is the last time the Flyers drafted a Russian in the first round?
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Apr 20 @ 3:20 PM ET
Is there any huge 3-4 year project dmen projected to go in the first round?
Perhaps a Brandon Carlo. He will probably be higher on the Flyers draft board than Provorov.

Besides when is the last time the Flyers drafted a Russian in the first round?

- PLindbergh31

I think Thomas Chabot is that guy this year. He's only 6'2 right now, though.
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