I'd have him as my number two behind Babcock.

After that don't really care who gets it. Julien, Bylsma, Moustache man, or Deboer.
- flyer_nutter

Deboeer is interesting. Don't know too much about him

Deboeer is interesting. Don't know too much about him
- Just5

Neither do I.

Organization just needs to get its head out of the ass and decide on a philosophy. If you stick with this boring defense first BS, then get a coach who preaches it and players accordingly.

Far too much back and forth since the Tampa loss in ECF.

Neither do I.

Organization just needs to get its head out of the ass and decide on a philosophy. If you stick with this boring defense first BS, then get a coach who preaches it and players accordingly.

Far too much back and forth since the Tampa loss in ECF.
- flyer_nutter

10 coaches in 20 years. It's laughable, really. The fact that they win games as frequently as they have until this inevitable transition phase is remarkable, in some ways

10 coaches in 20 years. It's laughable, really. The fact that they win games as frequently as they have until this inevitable transition phase is remarkable, in some ways
- AllInForFlyers

I prefer to imagine that Cashman and Barber never coached the Flyers. I'll also believe that Craig Ramsey was only coach on an interim basis.

10 coaches in 20 years. It's laughable, really. The fact that they win games as frequently as they have until this inevitable transition phase is remarkable, in some ways
- AllInForFlyers

Meh, there is some stuff to be excited about. Hagg, Ghost, Morin, Sanheim and Fazleev along with who ever they take this year.

Giroux, Voracek, Mason and Simmonds are alright too.

The future has some hope for sure, but for now, who really gives a (frank)?

Meh, there is some stuff to be excited about. Hagg, Ghost, Morin, Sanheim and Fazleev along with who ever they take this year.

Giroux, Voracek, Mason and Simmonds are alright too.

The future has some hope for sure, but for now, who really gives a (frank)?
- flyer_nutter

This is the first year in quite awhile, that I actually have a positive outlook moving forward. We still need to see how Hextall plays things out, but so far, it seems like he has them headed in the right direction!

So Craig Button has the Flyers drafting Rantanen with Provorov still on the board. I don't think he will be but if he is that's one hell of a pass.

The way I see it, in the nhl there are two types of coaches, teaching coaches and finishing coaches. The teaching coach instills defense and discipline, the finishing coach takes that and maximizes offensive potential. With berube having preached defense and discipline, now is a great time for a finishing coach and I'd be thrilled with McLellan.

So Craig Button has the Flyers drafting Rantanen with Provorov still on the board. I don't think he will be but if he is that's one hell of a pass.
- mayorofangrytown

One knock on Rantanen I've heard is skating. Worries me a touch even if I am a big fan.

So Craig Button has the Flyers drafting Rantanen with Provorov still on the board. I don't think he will be but if he is that's one hell of a pass.
- mayorofangrytown

I have Provorov ahead of Rantanen but only by a small margin. They're both great prospects who could play in the the NHL next season.

So Craig Button has the Flyers drafting Rantanen with Provorov still on the board. I don't think he will be but if he is that's one hell of a pass.
- mayorofangrytown

I'd be happy with either. I'm a big fan of Finns/Swedes, so I'd take Rantanen. But really, anyone but Crouse would be good with me.

10 coaches in 20 years. It's laughable, really. The fact that they win games as frequently as they have until this inevitable transition phase is remarkable, in some ways
- AllInForFlyers

I think there's a problem, but it's not laughable. The Blackhawks have 10 coaches in the past 20 years. The Kings have 9 in 20 years. The Sharks have 7 in 20. Rangers have 9 in 20. The Ducks have 9 in 20. Our number really isn't insane.

One knock on Rantanen I've heard is skating. Worries me a touch even if I am a big fan.
- flyer_nutter

I've heard that with Provorov, too.

I have Provorov ahead of Rantanen but only by a small margin. They're both great prospects who could play in the the NHL next season.
- Feanor

One other thing to keep in mind is that, like Hagg, Rantanen could play up to 2 years in the AHL without his ELC kicking in, whereas Proporov either has to play in the NHL or juniors over that span.

So Craig Button has the Flyers drafting Rantanen with Provorov still on the board. I don't think he will be but if he is that's one hell of a pass.
- mayorofangrytown

Button has Barzal going 14th
I usually like Button's mocks, but that's a little silly.

So why exactly is this Crouse guy so polarizing?

Every single year every mock draft has the Flyers picking the big, hard hitting guys with the same "HE'S A NATURAL FLYERS TYPE PLAYER!" explanation and I hate it strongly.

Also Niittymaki works for Rantanen's team TPS in Finland, so if they pick him it's based on a Flyers scout watching every game.

So why exactly is this Crouse guy so polarizing?
- BulliesPhan87

He's big and the "prototypical Flyer." He has decent hands, but doesn't drive offense. He's basically a younger Scott Hartnell-type.

So why exactly is this Crouse guy so polarizing?
- BulliesPhan87

Question marks over hockey sense and actual offensive upside.

Button has Barzal going 14th
I usually like Button's mocks, but that's a little silly.
- JAKEw1234

He's good overall, but he sometimes get weird ideas about where certain players will go. Like when he spent the second half of the 2013 first round getting increasingly upset as teams ignored Fucale. Turns out those teams knew what they were doing.

He's big and the "prototypical Flyer." He has decent hands, but doesn't drive offense. He's basically a younger Scott Hartnell-type.
- jmatchett383

That really doesn't sound like a bad player. The way everybody's talking, he sounds like an inevitable Luke Schenn level disappointment.

Also Niittymaki works for Rantanen's team TPS in Finland, so if they pick him it's based on a Flyers scout watching every game.
- Feanor

I like TPS a lot. They produce a lot of good NHLers (including Timonen), and Turku is a good town. I'd be okay with Rantanen, but would rather see them take Barzal, Provorov, or the inevitable slipping player from above our pick.

Question marks over hockey sense and actual offensive upside.
- bmeltzer

I guess I find it odd that so many are worried about drafting him, yet he's in that conversation for being a top 10ish pick. I never see anybody say anything outright good about him.

For the record, I didn't watch a lick of juniors this year.

That really doesn't sound like a bad player. The way everybody's talking, he sounds like an inevitable Luke Schenn level disappointment.
- BulliesPhan87

I don't think he will be. He plays the game with a level of intensity that isn't something to just forget.

My issue anyway, is that on a team where only really Giroux, Voracek and MDZ having the ability to carry and handle the puck up the ice consistently..

A guy with some more skill may be a better choice.