So do you propose trading one of the core? This is where I'm at. If not, we will be in the same position yearly. Trading aspects for decent players and expecting 87 and 71 to carry the team. Gee, where have we heard this.. The last 5 years? Not saying trade 71 for picks, but young players who are actually good. Maybe sprinkle in a pick, but young cheap guys who can contribute are what's needed. 3 top 6 players have a better chance to score than 1 top player.
- znagle

I think smart trades are the key. If you want to trade a player that everyone wants, you will end up wanting that type of player when you don't have him anymore.

Trading a couple of our young D - Despres could have got us more. Forget the trade for experience & that's who is going to help win Stanley this year, if he could get us more then go elsewhere for a 'similar' player +. If Despres was shopped properly can anyone tell me JR couldn't have got more?

Next, shop 1 the other D for a maximum return solely & wholly. If Scuds is leaving via buy out as has been suggested, then maybe they need to bring in another experienced D to stay competitive but 'sell' or 'auction' 1 of the others for a maximum return. You have to give to get, & with the experiences of this year can anyone see all our young D on the team next year or next?

There are now a few teams (Flames come straight to mind) that have an overflow of F. Now all the experts on here wanting a Patty Kane quality player for peanuts are dreaming, but if the scouts go out there I'm sure there are cheap young players there to be had without throwing Geno out (I truly believe Geno wants to stay here unless the social media crucify him & he wants to leave). Sven B comes to mind immediately but a few here are calling him a bust - put him on Genos line & see what he can do. How many others are out there ready for NHL action but aren't given the opportunity - Kevin Hayes anyone? Some called him a bust but to date he has gone ok.

Needing F but we want to trade arguably our best for 'lesser' players but more of them (reduce our talent level & hope that less is more?). Less talent but more vanilla? Rather than trade from our strength to help our quality.

I don't believe he has a NMC. Not sure if he wants to go anywhere or has any value whatsoever.

Kapanen, Sundqvist, Rust, Wilson, Pouliot, Dumoulin, and Harrington are all possibilities in the lineup next year. For all accounts and purposes, the Penguins prospect pool is average. Obviously, we'd all like it to be better, but it isn't completely void of potential either.
- jfkst1

Murray & Jarry 1 of those could possibly see a little time maybe (or be traded for young forwards).

I disagree, I have always been supportive of Sather. Sather was brought in when the team was a mess. He inherited a team that had 0 farm system, and a bunch of overpaid Vets. Problem was, Sather was also the President of the NY Rangers, a fanbase that expected results and an organization that needed to still sell seats and make profits. And I don't believe he ever traded away high picks, he horded picks and purchased UFA's. The picks were what he valued more.

So the first 4 years of Sather's reign, he was charged with putting a decent product on the ice for people to buy tickets while simultaneously retooling the farm system and restructuring the drafting, scouting, developing of prospects. That doesn't happen overnight. You saw Sather do things like trade away Leetch. He needed to bring in assets and make good picks. That takes years to actually show results. In the meantime, he took gambles on UFA's that could still give the Rangers some competitiveness. Few panned out, but I guarantee you Sather's primary objective was still to retool the system. Once the lockout ended, Sather missed the playoffs ONCE in the past 10 years. The only mistake he really made was Wade Redden. Beyond that, he's made choices and turned players that didn't pan out into players that do. I don't think you can really say a single bad thing about Glen Sather. Rangers, missed the playoffs 7 straight years, into making the playoffs 10 straight years ALL without ever hitting the lottery. And now we have one of strongest organizations in the league in terms of youth, good cap management, and overall playoff success. And the end is no where in sight, this team is poised to good for at least another 5 years.
- xcheckmajor

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Has Johnston even put those 2 on the ice together at even strength?
- drummer829

He has pretty sure against Florida or Tampa - middle of the season if my memory serves me.

Oh poop sorry, I can't provide commentary around certain people because 'I haven't seen the game' or watch them - I only listen.

But yes he has but only a few times.

How about Lappy in his first playoff game with the Pens? Where was that for the previous 30? Now if Downie can not be an idiot and Sutter stays warmish in addition to Comeau being physical and versatile then we have the semblance of depth. I'm hopeful.

Today should be a good day. Hopefully we get hoff and pouliot back

So Engo gets snotted by Dorset? while the Zebs are holding Engo & everyone is giving it to Engo about the blue??? Not to mention there were 2 on 1 with Hamius holding Engo as well? Is that NHL justice there?

Can't wait till the next game if Engo plays - wonder who is going to kill first?

I agree with that statement. Those two slugs are being paid like top 6 players and they're absolutely terrible shift after shift. Kuni can't pass, can't receive a pass and can't shoot right now. Every once in a while (in any sport) you'll see a player get old in the blink of an eye......that's sadly the case with him.
- madmike71

That's just it...it wasn't a blink of an eye. I started calling out his diminishing play last spring a month or so after the Olympics. I heavily proposed they move him in the offseason while he was still tradeable.

I was crucified on this board for even suggesting so. "You cant trade Kunitz! Where else are we getting 30 goals for $3.75 mill?" "Worst case he is a good 3rd liner!!" I had to read RW blog after RW blog saying anyone who said he was done was clueless. After each goal, I read the "See he aint done" posts.

And here we are....

Don't mean to tell everyone I told you all so but...I did tell you all so.

Kunitz is D-O-N-E. He aint a 3rd line guy either. And we're stuck with his contract. You all, along with our chief blogger, can talk about Spaling's $, how much Lap sucks and that's a wasted million, etc..

But this team is saddled with 4 salaries that are crippling them. Scuds, Kunitz, Duper, and Letang. Those 4 make around $18 mill per year. And you're not getting anything out of them for much if not all of the year other than Scuds being a truly average defensive defenseman.

Kunitz may have forgotten where he net is, OK. Perron lacks effort and drive to the net, OK. But if you watch the Isles they are not afraid to go to the net, any of them really. I just don't see that willingness to pay the price to go to the net from this offense. And when they all to rarely end up there it seldom pays off.
- powerhouse

I disagree with this. I see plenty of net drives. Biggest problem IMO is our Two Headed Monsters unwillingness to just get pucks to the net. They keep searching for tic-tac-toe. That doesn't work in the playoffs.

Watch tonight. Horny will be driving the net. Sid will have the puck. He'll be looking to make some perfect pass, head up, and no one to pass to cause Horny's crashing the net, balls to the wall. Horny's not the problem on that line. 87 is.

Malkin? His main issue is he's saddled with the Weekend at Bernie's Winger himself, Chris Kunitz, and David Perron who I still cant believe people on this board were viewing as the solution to any problem. Anyone with a Center Ice subscription who watched at least 10 Edmonton games over the past few would know this.

But, hey, we're still in this series right? Right?

I liked how most of the team played. They give that same effort, I can live with the result.

But, hey, we're still in this series right? Right?

I liked how most of the team played. They give that same effort, I can live with the result.
- 87_71_11_29

Who is the avatar?

I think smart trades are the key. If you want to trade a player that everyone wants, you will end up wanting that type of player when you don't have him anymore.

Trading a couple of our young D - Despres could have got us more. Forget the trade for experience & that's who is going to help win Stanley this year, if he could get us more then go elsewhere for a 'similar' player +. If Despres was shopped properly can anyone tell me JR couldn't have got more?

Next, shop 1 the other D for a maximum return solely & wholly. If Scuds is leaving via buy out as has been suggested, then maybe they need to bring in another experienced D to stay competitive but 'sell' or 'auction' 1 of the others for a maximum return. You have to give to get, & with the experiences of this year can anyone see all our young D on the team next year or next?



There are now a few teams (Flames come straight to mind) that have an overflow of F. Now all the experts on here wanting a Patty Kane quality player for peanuts are dreaming, but if the scouts go out there I'm sure there are cheap young players there to be had without throwing Geno out (I truly believe Geno wants to stay here unless the social media crucify him & he wants to leave). Sven B comes to mind immediately but a few here are calling him a bust - put him on Genos line & see what he can do. How many others are out there ready for NHL action but aren't given the opportunity - Kevin Hayes anyone? Some called him a bust but to date he has gone ok.

Needing F but we want to trade arguably our best for 'lesser' players but more of them (reduce our talent level & hope that less is more?). Less talent but more vanilla? Rather than trade from our strength to help our quality.
- Aussiepenguin

I would take a flyer on Baertschi....if we could get him for the right price... say Domoulin striaght up. He'll have just turned 23 when next season starts, still has some potential, and excellent under Mike Johnson (if he is still here next year) in junior. Like I said... no picks invovled, but if we could do Domo for Sven B I'd give it a shot.


Also, if we arn't going to retain either Erhoff or Martin, hopefully a team that is eyeing D in FA will give us a 2nd for the rights to both of them. I know thats a high price to pay but if it gets a team desprete for D exclusive negotiating rights on both of them for a few months we maybe able to get it.

Also a guy I would target hard would be Nick Paul out of Ottawa. He was part of the SPezza deal, but with Ottawa's depth of young studs up front he may be obtainable with the right offer. He is 6'3" 220lbs, 20 years old, is a great 2 way forward (plays for Stan Bulter in the OHL, who preaches responsiblilty in both ends) and probably NHL ready for next season .. Paul played for the Team Canada world Juniors this year and did a great job. To me Nick Paul is the type that possible becomes an impact top 6 forward, but if not, because of his size, and solid 2 way game he is pretty well a sure thing to atleast be an effective bottom 6 NHL player.

http://thehockeywriters.c...aul-star-prospect-ottawa/

I disagree with this. I see plenty of net drives. Biggest problem IMO is our Two Headed Monsters unwillingness to just get pucks to the net. They keep searching for tic-tac-toe. That doesn't work in the playoffs.

Watch tonight. Horny will be driving the net. Sid will have the puck. He'll be looking to make some perfect pass, head up, and no one to pass to cause Horny's crashing the net, balls to the wall. Horny's not the problem on that line. 87 is.

Malkin? His main issue is he's saddled with the Weekend at Bernie's Winger himself, Chris Kunitz, and David Perron who I still cant believe people on this board were viewing as the solution to any problem. Anyone with a Center Ice subscription who watched at least 10 Edmonton games over the past few would know this.
- 87_71_11_29

Net drives that don't include shots are a part of the problem.

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From what I read about Hayes & to a certain extent MSL, New York City is an attractive place to be playing your chosen sport. So along with financial capital the management has an ace up the sleeve due to location which will help even the most incompetent GM.
- Aussiepenguin[/img]

The only way to live in Manhattan is if you have the money to live there. It is extremely expensive and a concrete jungle. Nice place to visit but would not want to live there.

That's just it...it wasn't a blink of an eye. I started calling out his diminishing play last spring a month or so after the Olympics. I heavily proposed they move him in the offseason while he was still tradeable.

I was crucified on this board for even suggesting so. "You cant trade Kunitz! Where else are we getting 30 goals for $3.75 mill?" "Worst case he is a good 3rd liner!!" I had to read RW blog after RW blog saying anyone who said he was done was clueless. After each goal, I read the "See he aint done" posts....


- 87_71_11_29

He actually played fairly well at the beginning of the year. I guess that's what I mean... A player goes from putting up his usual numbers at the start of the season to a guy that can't shoot, pass or receive a pass in less 4 or 5 months is pretty damn quick.

Today should be a good day. Hopefully we get hoff and pouliot back
- dbell646

Amen to that. Ehrhoff will Make a lot of difference If he's for enough to carry the puck out of our zone. Pouliot would Help as well.

The only way to live in Manhattan is if you have the money to live there. It is extremely expensive and a concrete jungle. Nice place to visit but would not want to live there.
- powerhouse

It's a great city because there's so much great food and things to do but it is expensive AF.

It's a great city because there's so much great food and things to do but it is expensive AF.
- rangerdanger94

I have family near 54th and Park. I love visiting to get my city fix. I swear to you at 72nd and Park there is a Turkish Bakery and coffee to F'ing die for. Love to visit and always ready to leave. Live there? No way. Money flies out of my wallet there!

I have family near 54th and Park. I love visiting to get my city fix. I swear to you at 72nd and Park there is a Turkish Bakery and coffee to F'ing die for. Love to visit and always ready to leave. Live there? No way. Money flies out of my wallet there!
- powerhouse

54th and Park is a great area. Heart of midtown right next to Central Park. But yea, the cost of living in general is through the roof in Manhattan.

It's a great city because there's so much great food and things to do but it is expensive AF.
- rangerdanger94

Stayed at the W for New Years Eve, had a blast, but could never see myself living in the city. I always wanted to experience NYE in NYC, and anyone who has never done it, I would recommend it. Amazing time, crazy how people are all nice in civil for those few hours. Road the subway all over, just wanted to experience everything. Watched bowl games and spent 8 dollars for a mixed drink the size of a dixie cup

Stayed at the W for New Years Eve, had a blast, but could never see myself living in the city. I always wanted to experience NYE in NYC, and anyone who has never done it, I would recommend it. Amazing time, crazy how people are all nice in civil for those few hours. Road the subway all over, just wanted to experience everything. Watched bowl games and spent 8 dollars for a mixed drink the size of a dixie cup
- Thorny

$8 for a mixed drink? That's a steal!

You also gotta realize that Manhattan is just 1 borough of NYC...there's also Queens, the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Staten Island. And in Manhattan itself, there are a lot of different areas i.e. Midtown (the most touristy area which is where you were for NYE and which sucks), Meatpacking District, the Village, etc.

That's just it...it wasn't a blink of an eye. I started calling out his diminishing play last spring a month or so after the Olympics. I heavily proposed they move him in the offseason while he was still tradeable.

I was crucified on this board for even suggesting so. "You cant trade Kunitz! Where else are we getting 30 goals for $3.75 mill?" "Worst case he is a good 3rd liner!!" I had to read RW blog after RW blog saying anyone who said he was done was clueless. After each goal, I read the "See he aint done" posts.

And here we are....

Don't mean to tell everyone I told you all so but...I did tell you all so.

Kunitz is D-O-N-E. He aint a 3rd line guy either. And we're stuck with his contract. You all, along with our chief blogger, can talk about Spaling's $, how much Lap sucks and that's a wasted million, etc..

But this team is saddled with 4 salaries that are crippling them. Scuds, Kunitz, Duper, and Letang. Those 4 make around $18 mill per year. And you're not getting anything out of them for much if not all of the year other than Scuds being a truly average defensive defenseman.
- 87_71_11_29

Dont you understand that the only players approved by this board for trade proposals are Sutter, Scuds, any bottom 6 player other than BB cuz he had a nice goal once, and Zatkoff. Everyone else is part of the core and off limits. But those players will somehow yield a 1st + Kane level talent and the cap doesn't apply to the Pens either.

Amen to that. Ehrhoff will Make a lot of difference If he's for enough to carry the puck out of our zone. Pouliot would Help as well.
- Barnaby36

Last I've heard/read - they are still DTD but they were both present and fully participated at the morning skate. Hopefully that means they are game-ready. We need some D guys who can move the puck and pinch when needed desperately.

$8 for a mixed drink? That's a steal!

You also gotta realize that Manhattan is just 1 borough of NYC...there's also Queens, the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Staten Island. And in Manhattan itself, there are a lot of different areas i.e. Midtown (the most touristy area which is where you were for NYE and which sucks), Meatpacking District, the Village, etc.
- rangerdanger94

Meatpacking District? Is that where you shop for sausage, rangerdanger?