Your lack of intelligence oozes from this post.
- rangerdanger94

C'mon mate you've had your fun now do what the shepherds do & get the flock out of here!

Your lack of intelligence oozes from this post.
- rangerdanger94

I don't understand what it is exactly you want from coming here, no one is entertained by you. You bring nothing to the table, Oh by the way the Rags cant hop on the death of a loved one this year for motivation the Sens beat ya to it. Your f'ed

I don't understand what it is exactly you want from coming here, no one is entertained by you. You bring nothing to the table, Oh by the way the Rags cant hop on the death of a loved one this year for motivation the Sens beat ya to it. Your f'ed
- nbartley9

I tend to have some good conversations here with some of the other Penguins fans.

I tend to have some good conversations here with some of the other Penguins fans.
- rangerdanger94

Well not today, I got here and saw you acting a fool; so try again some other time.

Hit the road pal.

I tend to have some good conversations here with some of the other Penguins fans.
- rangerdanger94

This would be like me coming in here prior to the first round in 2012 and slyly spouting off about how the Flyers would beat the Penguins and how the Penguins aren't really that good. How do you think I'd be received?

I'd say, for the next week or two, laying off would probably be best for everyone, despite your best intentions.

I don't understand what it is exactly you want from coming here, no one is entertained by you. You bring nothing to the table, Oh by the way the Rags cant hop on the death of a loved one this year for motivation the Sens beat ya to it. Your f'ed
- nbartley9

Yesterday I tried.... Not one person responded and it was in direct reference to the blog. When people do try and have an intelligent discussion they are ignored because people love a pissing match.

I tend to have some good conversations here with some of the other Penguins fans.
- rangerdanger94

I don't know if you're serious... or if you are oblivious to the fact that the majority of your posts here are only to cause fights and be an ass.

This would be like me coming in here prior to the first round in 2012 and slyly spouting off about how the Flyers would beat the Penguins and how the Penguins aren't really that good. How do you think I'd be received?
- jmatchett383

Close to how we normally treat you, for being a Flyer fan :p

This would be like me coming in here prior to the first round in 2012 and slyly spouting off about how the Flyers would beat the Penguins and how the Penguins aren't really that good. How do you think I'd be received?

I'd say, for the next week or two, laying off would probably be best for everyone, despite your best intentions.
- jmatchett383

I think you'd be called a troll, like you are every single day anyway even though you come and have productive conversations and are a regular on this board.

I think you'd be called a troll, like you are every single day anyway even though you come and have productive conversations and are a regular on this board.
- rangerdanger94

I'm very confused right by this. Aside from 2 particular posters, no one on here has ever called me a troll.

Anyway, my point is that you are a fan of the Penguins current playoff opponent. So of course, the gloves are off and there is no way that anything you currently say that is slightly pro-Rangers or anti-Pens will be responded to with anything but animosity.

The thing that no stat can measure is if a puck will go in the net or when it will not go in the net.

Throw pucks at the net all game & end up with a duck egg or throw a single shot & score! No one can measure or predict that no matter what you have - it's the unknown. How many teams out shoot the other & lose? How many times you see a team dominate possession but end up behind after the first goal is scored by the opposition - Pens have had a huge amount of that lately. If you want to call that luck then do but don't call it PDO if your goalie gets scored on in the first 2 or 3 shots after you shoot 15. Call that good goal tending by the opposition & bad D or goal tending by your team.

In saying that, goalies 'may' have weaknesses - isles threw 2 shots over Flowers left shoulder the other day - same shot same result GOAL. Now when we start to see stats guys give us credible information along with the stats ie players strengths & weaknesses, you will see a much larger data base of information that can correlate more with how a game WILL play out more than just match stats up to games already played.

You will still have the unknowns but more of an idea of what might be the better option - ie throw shots over Flowers left shoulder before anything else.

I believe the Rangers series will have little to do with possession numbers & more with D & goal tending. We will throw 25-35 shots to their 15-20 & it's possible to be behind 0-3. Possession means little if the goal tending is good/great. That is a part of the Rags that has been very good even without the King. Pens need to score & once they do try to score again if they don't just shut the game down & win games 1-0 if possible. He'll just put the caravan in front & stand the tent up & let them shoot all game at that.
- Aussiepenguin

I think this is the exact reason why metrics do not work in hockey like they do in baseball. In baseball, the game is basically a "closed system". Batting average, where you hit the ball, homeruns, etc...they are basically set parameters of success in context of how the sport works. Yes, occasionally a shortstop could make a great diving catch on a line drive, or a left fielder can jump off the wall and save a home run, but its much less likely to skew the results of the metrics. Hockey however, the entire game is built around opposing forces. You can have a great possession game, but its counteracted by great defensive game forcing your possession to the outside and minimizing your high threat chances. You can have a ton of shots on goal but counteracted by amazing goaltending. Conversely, you can have no possession and face terrible defense that lets up passing lanes and gaps that lead to prime chances. 1 prime chance is all you need. You can also have only a handful of shots and face an off night for a goalie and score 3 goals on them. THIS is why advanced stats in hockey doesn't work. All of these scenarios aren't "amazing" plays like in baseball....they are the NORM. These stat skewing performances by opposing forces happen every game. This is the reason I cannot but any faith when looking at advanced stats. I can't even say they are just something to go with your evaluation, I think they are completely meaningless.

Yesterday I tried.... Not one person responded and it was in direct reference to the blog. When people do try and have an intelligent discussion they are ignored because people love a pissing match.
- mrhattrick27

Don't play Mr. innocent, your buddies from your urine smelling City come in here any time there is the slightest Pens stumble or issue that has nothing to do with the Rags, so when that is the stigma you all have to deal with it.

DO you think we all like hearing " you didn't watch hockey before you got Crosby", comment? No its annoying and so is your Rag tag bunch of hipsters.

Yesterday I tried.... Not one person responded and it was in direct reference to the blog. When people do try and have an intelligent discussion they are ignored because people love a pissing match.
- mrhattrick27

The problem is the likes of Danger ranger. If he didn't come in & antagonise then you could probably have a very sociable conversation about the topic of the day - also helps if you bring your own graphs & stats. now he can sometimes even out a normal comment or 2 but look over his last couple & you see what I mean, then that makes it hard for you. Now I went onto your blog a few times but kept it very mild, imagine if I went on there & starting going on about if The King was traded to Oils & Nash to the Coyotes & didn't stop?

you can stop right there. If you have to ask that question, you don't frequent our forums much.
- thickman1178

Oh I got it...sorry to interrupt your closed private club...

I think this is the exact reason why metrics do not work in hockey like they do in baseball. In baseball, the game is basically a "closed system". Batting average, where you hit the ball, homeruns, etc...they are basically set parameters of success in context of how the sport works. Yes, occasionally a shortstop could make a great diving catch on a line drive, or a left fielder can jump off the wall and save a home run, but its much less likely to skew the results of the metrics. Hockey however, the entire game is built around opposing forces. You can have a great possession game, but its counteracted by great defensive game forcing your possession to the outside and minimizing your high threat chances. You can have a ton of shots on goal but counteracted by amazing goaltending. Conversely, you can have no possession and face terrible defense that lets up passing lanes and gaps that lead to prime chances. 1 prime chance is all you need. You can also have only a handful of shots and face an off night for a goalie and score 3 goals on them. THIS is why advanced stats in hockey doesn't work. All of these scenarios aren't "amazing" plays like in baseball....they are the NORM. These stat skewing performances by opposing forces happen every game. This is the reason I cannot but any faith when looking at advanced stats. I can't even say they are just something to go with your evaluation, I think they are completely meaningless.
- xcheckmajor

While your point does have merit that I agree with, you are looking at a very small sample size. If you have poor possession stats but face a bad goalie on an off nights and win 4-2, that's one game out of 82, which will not heavily skew the numbers. The idea of any statistical study is to used such a wide sample size as to account for any anomalies.

Granted, I'm no fan of possession stats or any other hocus pocus numbers. But the idea behind them is solid.

Don't play Mr. innocent, your buddies from your urine smelling City come in here any time there is the slightest Pens stumble or issue that has nothing to do with the Rags, so when that is the stigma you all are lumped into the same group.
- nbartley9

Because... ya know it always makes sense to generalize the actions of a few over the broader group. Not allowed to have my own thoughts? Noted.

Also, aren't you the guy that called for Downie to take out Mac's knee plus a few more injuries? Classy. Again, that's an indictment on you, not every Pens fan here.

Because... ya know it always makes sense to generalize the actions of a few over the broader group. Not allowed to have my own thoughts? Noted.

Also, aren't you the guy that called for Downie to take out Mac's knee plus a few more injuries? Classy. Again, that's an indictment on you, not every Pens fan here.
- mrhattrick27

Like I said, there's no way that anything you post will be met with anything but animosity due to the current playoff match-up (as well as an unfortunate guilty by association pin) right now. I'd just advise laying off for a few.

Because... ya know it always makes sense to generalize the actions of a few over the broader group. Not allowed to have my own thoughts? Noted.

Also, aren't you the guy that called for Downie to take out Mac's knee plus a few more injuries? Classy. Again, that's an indictment on you, not every Pens fan here.
- mrhattrick27

Pot, Kettle... when your fanbase stops accusing all of the Penguins fans as being spoiled, whiney, or making fun of St Louis' mother's death, then you can talk.

Oh I got it...sorry to interrupt your closed private club...
- xcheckmajor

It's like Augusta it's very exclusive. Please stand behind the fence and admire us.

Because... ya know it always makes sense to generalize the actions of a few over the broader group. Not allowed to have my own thoughts? Noted.

Also, aren't you the guy that called for Downie to take out Mac's knee plus a few more injuries? Classy. Again, that's an indictment on you, not every Pens fan here.
- mrhattrick27

Glad you understand.


Yep that was me, please don't sugar coat what I said; because I hope for purely the most brutal career ending injuries this league has ever known to happen every game; so there play with that for a while.

I am certainly not worried about being classy, but at least I don't pretend to.

Like I said, there's no way that anything you post will be met with anything but animosity due to the current playoff match-up (as well as an unfortunate guilty by association pin) right now. I'd just advise laying off for a few.
- jmatchett383

When a flyer fan is the voice of reason!! Ha Ha Ha

Glad you understand.


Yep that was me, please don't sugar coat what I said; because I hope for purely the most brutal career ending injuries this league has ever known to happen every game; so there play with that for a while.

I am certainly not worried about being classy, but at least I don't pretend to.
- nbartley9

You are nothing if not consistent.

Glad you understand.


Yep that was me, please don't sugar coat what I said; because I hope for purely the most brutal career ending injuries this league has ever known to happen every game; so there play with that for a while.

I am certainly not worried about being classy, but at least I don't pretend to.
- nbartley9

Well when you make comments like that you're just inviting rangers fans to come into this thread

Pot, Kettle... when your fanbase stops accusing all of the Penguins fans as being spoiled, whiney, or making fun of St Louis' mother's death, then you can talk.
- Guile

Why in the grim reapers scythe would anyone ever do that?

Well when you make comments like that you're just inviting rangers fans to come into this thread
- rangerdanger94

This is nothing new or Rangers-specific for him. He is like this to every team (even the Penguins at times). So please don't take it that way.