whose idea was it to trade Despres?

whose idea was it to trade Despres?
- wingz4life

our idiot GM

our idiot GM
- Oneonta Penguin

must of been enamored with Lovejoy to make that trade

And speaking of Letang , I personally think he's out for the playoffs, skeptical IF he can come back next training camp. I know MJ said he was riding the stationary bike but my 92 yr old grandfather can ride the stationary bike ...

must of been enamored with Lovejoy to make that trade
- wingz4life

Haven't seen anything to justify so far. Though Killjoy hasn't had any continuity in the lineup either. It will look really badly in the future from an asset management standpoint if Despres develops into a top-4 dman as some think he will.

There's a few people I've heard utter this non-sense about wanting to miss the playoffs. I'd like to think thats only limited to 2-3 people here.

I think there's a misconception about having some fun discussions on a hockey message board about trading big players and weighing pros and cons. At least, in my case, I 100% support the team this year and hope like hell they make the playoffs because I love hockey. But at the same time, I like being an armchair GM and dreaming up ways I think can help us going forward.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I wanted the Penguins to play the Flyers last season in the first round because after the loss, drastic changes to the Penguins were most likely. Losing another Game 7 at home was kind of just enough for superficial change.

I'm not sure which scenario would yield the most drastic changes. It feels to me that injuries will be used as a write off on the season. I hope it's not just another offseason of superficial change. If the Penguins don't use the two or three assets they have this summer to overhaul and transform the roster, the Penguins' ship isn't coming.

must of been enamored with Lovejoy to make that trade
- wingz4life

I have no qualms with most of the moves Rutherford has made.

Signing Ehrhoff, Downie, Comeau and to a certain extent Greis were fine and warranted. I think he gave up a bit too much for Winnik, but if he resigns him, it won't sting as much. The Goc for Lapierre deal, people are making a BFD over thinking Marcel Goc was an impact player in which if we had him, we wouldn't be in the position we are in. That is false. We would be in the same position.

Cole for Bortuzzo looks to be a steal for us. Time still will tell with Perron. He has looked like crap the last 1.5 months.

The one deal I totally disagree was Despres for Lovejoy. That is the idiotic move our former HC and GM would have made.

There's a few people I've heard utter this non-sense about wanting to miss the playoffs. I'd like to think thats only limited to 2-3 people here.

I think there's a misconception about having some fun discussions on a hockey message board about trading big players and weighing pros and cons. At least, in my case, I 100% support the team this year and hope like hell they make the playoffs because I love hockey. But at the same time, I like being an armchair GM and dreaming up ways I think can help us going forward.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I agree and have no problem with that at all. I just find it amusing how some people talk poop on other for not having hockey knowledge because they don't agree. It's called health debate, people.

I have no qualms with most of the moves Rutherford has made.

Signing Ehrhoff, Downie, Comeau and to a certain extent Greis were fine and warranted. I think he gave up a bit too much for Winnik, but if he resigns him, it won't sting as much. The Goc for Lapierre deal, people are making a BFD over thinking Marcel Goc was an impact player in which if we had him, we wouldn't be in the position we are in. That is false. We would be in the same position.

Cole for Bortuzzo looks to be a steal for us. Time still will tell with Perron. He has looked like crap the last 1.5 months.

The one deal I totally disagree was Despres for Lovejoy. That is the idiotic move our former HC and GM would have made.
- Oneonta Penguin

The reason I make a big deal about the Goc for Lapierre trade is because it belies the notion that Rutherford has any sort of system. He just relies on his intuition which is going to be flawed in as many cases as it is right. I don't want that. I want personnel management that relies on a structured format to follow.

I have not ever said that. Even if we did, we are out in the first round. However, you are very naive if you don't think this organization is flawed and one of the ways to help this shortage is possibly exploring trading one of the big three because, face it, trading Sutter, Spaling, Kunitz and Scuderi don't bring heavy returns and the free agency list isn't that stout with good players.
- Oneonta Penguin

Hence the ? at the end of my comment. I was asking because you sure the hell insinuated as much.

I agree though, more depth is needed. However, I am not naive for wanting my team to do good and make the playoffs.

So, keep the team together with Crosby, Malkin and Letang and continue to fail. Fact is, this organization isn't close to winning it. We don't have the depth to do it. Sorry, trading Sutter, Kunitz, Spaling, Scuderi won't bring you anything that truly matters and if so, we won't know for three years or so.

Letang won't win the Norris either. Why? Because he won't play the amount of require games to deserve it.
- Oneonta Penguin

And to add to your point, big deal if he did win the Norris. It doesn't guaranty anything. The Pens have won the Art Ross trophy 15 of the last 26 years. That's crazy if you think about it. We have 3 cups to show for it. 4 out of the last 8 years with 1 cup.
Individual awards are great but there is only one trophy that matters. Let him win the Norris somewhere else. They should have traded him at the draft in ? year instead they extended him. It was obvious back then it was a mistake. He was worth more to us on another team.

Letang would never waive for EDM. Though, that's the caliber forward I would want back if I dealt him.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Agreed. Malkin would have to waive to MON too.. Basically this will only happen in NHL 15

Hence the ? at the end of my comment. I was asking because you sure the hell insinuated as much.

I agree though, more depth is needed. However, I am not naive for wanting my team to do good and make the playoffs.
- kgrpitt

Nope ... never insinuated my feelings. Insinuated what many people could be thinking in the event they don't want them to make it. I'm on the fence. I'm not saying I agree with it, but certainly understand why people don't want them to make it. Make it and its more likely the organization DOESN'T make the necessary adjustments. Miss it, they have to.

I have no qualms with most of the moves Rutherford has made.

Signing Ehrhoff, Downie, Comeau and to a certain extent Greis were fine and warranted. I think he gave up a bit too much for Winnik, but if he resigns him, it won't sting as much. The Goc for Lapierre deal, people are making a BFD over thinking Marcel Goc was an impact player in which if we had him, we wouldn't be in the position we are in. That is false. We would be in the same position.

Cole for Bortuzzo looks to be a steal for us. Time still will tell with Perron. He has looked like crap the last 1.5 months.

The one deal I totally disagree was Despres for Lovejoy. That is the idiotic move our former HC and GM would have made.
- Oneonta Penguin

Agree on most, Despres for Lovejoy is still a crapshoot. Lovejoy has looked shakey now because there is only 5 D. Can you imagine Despres out there? Trainwreck.

must of been enamored with Lovejoy to make that trade
- wingz4life

Report was many inside the organization loved his game and jumped at the opportunity to bring him back. So I don't think it was JR tho he had the final say. I'd put that on 1 of our 10 assistant GM's

It's really going to suck rooting for the Flyers to win for the Penguins to get into the playoffs. That may feel somehow lower than losing the four games.

It's really going to suck rooting for the Flyers to win for the Penguins to get into the playoffs. That may feel somehow lower than losing the four games.
- Johnny Wrath

Not at all. It hurts their lottery chances.

I'm going to try to cheer everyone up. I know, I know.

So here you are, dear reader, the top five things that may happen in the near future that will make us feel worse than we feel now.

5) Needing Philadelphia to earn a regulation win to grant Pittsburgh a playoff spot.
4) The New York Islanders acquire C Jordan Staal on draft day.
3) Mike Babcock earns an astounding amount of money in Detroit after using Pittsburgh as leverage. Penguins are thrilled to unveil John Tortorella as the new bench boss.
2) Pittsburgh Penguins win the 2015 draft lottery.
1) Bettman hands the Stanley Cup to Ryan McDonagh, who hands the Stanley Cup to Tanner Glass.

I'm going to try to cheer everyone up. I know, I know.

So here you are, dear reader, the top five things that may happen in the near future that will make us feel worse than we feel now.

5) Needing Philadelphia to earn a regulation win to grant Pittsburgh a playoff spot.
4) The New York Islanders acquire C Jordan Staal on draft day.
3) Mike Babcock earns an astounding amount of money in Detroit after using Pittsburgh as leverage. Penguins are thrilled to unveil John Tortorella as the new bench boss.
2) Pittsburgh Penguins win the 2015 draft lottery.
1) Bettman hands the Stanley Cup to Ryan McDonagh, who hands the Stanley Cup to Tanner Glass.
- Johnny Wrath

number 4 was a true what the (frank).

and number 3 is simply a formality at this point.

I'm going to try to cheer everyone up. I know, I know.

So here you are, dear reader, the top five things that may happen in the near future that will make us feel worse than we feel now.

5) Needing Philadelphia to earn a regulation win to grant Pittsburgh a playoff spot.
4) The New York Islanders acquire C Jordan Staal on draft day.
3) Mike Babcock earns an astounding amount of money in Detroit after using Pittsburgh as leverage. Penguins are thrilled to unveil John Tortorella as the new bench boss.
2) Pittsburgh Penguins win the 2015 draft lottery.
1) Bettman hands the Stanley Cup to Ryan McDonagh, who hands the Stanley Cup to Tanner Glass.
- Johnny Wrath

tanner glass getting the cup second over some of the other guys would actually be about as hilarious as a poopty moment can be.

number 4 was a true what the (frank).

and number 3 is simply a formality at this point.
- stayinthefnnet

J Staal being traded back to Pittsburgh seems to many as some kind of panacea to get back to beating good teams. I think only a handful of teams have the assets and the cap room to trade for him and be better for it. Islanders are probably going to do something silly like acquire Bill Flessel from the Toronto Maple Leaves. I understand Jason Blake's old locker is being moved to the Barclay's Centre.

J Staal being traded back to Pittsburgh seems to many as some kind of panacea to get back to beating good teams. I think only a handful of teams have the assets and the cap room to trade for him and be better for it. Islanders are probably going to do something silly like acquire Bill Flessel from the Toronto Maple Leaves. I understand Jason Blake's old locker is being moved to the Barclay's Centre.
- Johnny Wrath

staal would be a very good fit on the isles behind tavares. i dont know how grabovskis health is going to shake out. there could potentially be some overlap there. but he would slot in very well.

and JT is still on a very team friendly term.

im fine with that.

seeing as how this season is just a Wasted Year anyway.


ill stop.
- stayinthefnnet

that was good

J Staal being traded back to Pittsburgh seems to many as some kind of panacea to get back to beating good teams. I think only a handful of teams have the assets and the cap room to trade for him and be better for it. Islanders are probably going to do something silly like acquire Bill Flessel from the Toronto Maple Leaves. I understand Jason Blake's old locker is being moved to the Barclay's Centre.
- Johnny Wrath

Jordan Staal back here doesn't cure anything at all. Instead of paying Sutter 3 million and change for a third line center, we pay Staal 6 million for the next XXX years and our depth goes to further hell. It would make matters tremendously worse.

I have no qualms with most of the moves Rutherford has made.

Signing Ehrhoff, Downie, Comeau and to a certain extent Greis were fine and warranted. I think he gave up a bit too much for Winnik, but if he resigns him, it won't sting as much. The Goc for Lapierre deal, people are making a BFD over thinking Marcel Goc was an impact player in which if we had him, we wouldn't be in the position we are in. That is false. We would be in the same position.

Cole for Bortuzzo looks to be a steal for us. Time still will tell with Perron. He has looked like crap the last 1.5 months.

The one deal I totally disagree was Despres for Lovejoy. That is the idiotic move our former HC and GM would have made.
- Oneonta Penguin

This!

I was glad they fired those guys before they had a chance to trade Despres. Then GMJR makes that atrocious deal.....it's like WTF. If only he could have gotten Cole and called it quits.