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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 8 @ 1:54 PM ET
yeah.

i see them any time possible. bruce was dealing with some sort of throat or mouth cancer last i heard, though.

last time i saw them was on the tour commemorating maiden england, i believe it was. saw them at the prudential center of all places.

the first time i saw them was when a matter of life and death came out and they played the whole album beginning to end. but even then, i respect them. they alternate tours, between new stuff and classics. and on the new stuff tours, they still always close with a block of old stuff. i like that they respect their fan base and dont try to hide the ball or purely pump ticket sales

- stayinthefnnet

From what I heard, Bruce has made a full recovery. Iron Maiden can't be fought. Iron Maiden's gonna get you, no matter how far.

They put on a great show everytime, it's really impressive given their age and tenure. A lot of acts would just mail it in and collect the money, or start showing their age. Not Maiden.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 8 @ 1:56 PM ET
From what I heard, Bruce has made a full recovery. Iron Maiden can't be fought. Iron Maiden's gonna get you, no matter how far.

They put on a great show everytime, it's really impressive given their age and tenure. A lot of acts would just mail it in and collect the money, or start showing their age. Not Maiden.

- BulliesPhan87


I've only seen them once, on their Miaden America tour (re-tour?) a few years back. It had to be about 105 degrees in that place, and Bruce is running around like a mad man on stage with fire shooting all over the place. Music aside, that was impressive in itself.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Apr 8 @ 1:56 PM ET
I realize that's its coming from 93.7 the Fan, but evidently there are actually some rumblings of HCMJ being fired before the playoffs IF we do qualify. Worked for NJ in 2000 why not give it a whirl. Its pretty obvious that our coach doesn't mean much with this core group. We had HCMT and he got the boot and he is a fantastic coach, maybe this team doesn't need a great coach; just a fresh face when things start going south.


I like HCMJ ideals but he doesn't seem to have this teams attention. I would not be opposed to him being fired today.

- nbartley9


Just too late for that. I think Tocchet should have been fired a while ago.
87_71_11_29
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: In a van down by the river, PA
Joined: 01.18.2007

Apr 8 @ 1:57 PM ET
I want this team to be focusing on drafting and player development. There are no quick fixes to this mess that is going to deliver a Cup next year or even the year after that barring moving one of 71/58/87 which they probably aren't doing. They need to realize this ASAP. No one is winning a Cup with 3rd and 4th line retreads or non-entry-level guys making around $1mill. Aint happening. That will just be another round of Downie's, Comeau's, etc..

Might as well start focusing on 2017-18 and trying to be a Cup team the last 2-3 years of 87/71 "primes".

Identify your core for the next 5 years. IMO that's 87, 71, 29, 58, 72, 3, 51. In 2 yrs, Sid's 30, Geno's 31, MAF will be 33ish. They'd have 3 good years after that and prob 2-3 after that with limited production. Focus on building as strong a core around them as possible.

Anyone and everyone else is expendable.

Move Sutter, Perron, Spaling, Kunitz for picks to try and recoup all of the picks you traded. Could prob get a combo of 2nd and 3rd round picks for those guys. Perhaps package a few of those picks to get back into round 1 this year. This is a deep draft. We'll be in a better place in 2-3 years if we get some of these players.

You have Oscar, Kap, a few 2nds this year to build and grow into NHL players within 2-3 years. You'd have a higher #1 next year since we'd likely miss the playoffs.

Talk to Sid and Geno about this plan. If they aren't in, trade them.

Anyone who disagrees with this approach, that's cool. Just enjoy a few more years of no Cups, 3/4 line complaining, and watching NHL retreads patrol our 3/4 lines making around $1million.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 8 @ 1:57 PM ET
From what I heard, Bruce has made a full recovery. Iron Maiden can't be fought. Iron Maiden's gonna get you, no matter how far.

They put on a great show everytime, it's really impressive given their age and tenure. A lot of acts would just mail it in and collect the money, or start showing their age. Not Maiden.

- BulliesPhan87



BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 8 @ 1:58 PM ET
I've only seen them once, on their Miaden America tour (re-tour?) a few years back. It had to be about 105 degrees in that place, and Bruce is running around like a mad man on stage with fire shooting all over the place. Music aside, that was impressive in itself.
- jmatchett383

He's a billion years old, and he still goes out there and hops around like a spring loaded imp, then hops on their private jet and literally pilots them to their shows. He's a god amongst men if ever there was.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 8 @ 2:01 PM ET
He's a billion years old, and he still goes out there and hops around like a spring loaded imp, then hops on their private jet and literally pilots them to their shows. He's a god amongst men if ever there was.
- BulliesPhan87

nationally renowned fencer, childrens author.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 8 @ 2:02 PM ET
nationally renowned fencer, childrens author.
- stayinthefnnet

might as well schedule his NHL debut and start engraving his name on the scoring title now
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 8 @ 2:04 PM ET
might as well schedule his NHL debut and start engraving his name on the scoring title now
- BulliesPhan87


im fine with that.

seeing as how this season is just a Wasted Year anyway.


ill stop.
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Apr 8 @ 2:05 PM ET
I dont know enough about Galchenyuk, tbh. I know he's supposed to be a good young center. Plus, havent all three had injury issues?
- YouMeAndDupuis9


Not sure about the injuries, but wouldn't you rather have 3 players who possibly could be injured instead of one that is injured frequently, 1 who is extremely streaky and one who is Sutter?

Edit: Plus those three are all young.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 8 @ 2:07 PM ET
nationally renowned fencer, childrens author.
- stayinthefnnet


Wait, he's a children's author?

What has he written? I must acquire these books.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 8 @ 2:10 PM ET
Wait, he's a children's author?

What has he written? I must acquire these books.

- jmatchett383

http://www.amazon.com/Lor...ichardenson/dp/0283060433
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 8 @ 2:11 PM ET
Wait, he's a children's author?

What has he written? I must acquire these books.

- jmatchett383


Ive never seen it or read it, but its called something like The Adventures of Lord Iffy.

I hope to god its illustrated.
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 8 @ 2:11 PM ET
Wait, he's a children's author?

What has he written? I must acquire these books.

- jmatchett383

"The Adventures of Lord Iffy Boatrace". The other one is called "Strike the Peasant With a Maul Grahhhhhhhhhh".
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Apr 8 @ 2:13 PM ET
I'm going to say I highly, highly doubt it...but does anyone have a TIOPS subscription?

I know its just TIOPS but im curious as to what names were mentioned after the article gets cut off

http://insidepittsburghsp...ays-tiopsdailyfive/72350/
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Apr 8 @ 2:16 PM ET
other thing I picked up from the article that got me thinking. Here's how a Malkin trade could play out and be okay.

Rutherford says to Geno "give us your list of teams you would waive to". then they look for a ridiculous return from those teams. If there is no 100% no-brainer deal on the table....fire JR and hire a new GM who immediately says "I will never trade you".

no ones feelings get hurt and you get to see what kind of market is out there.

profit
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 8 @ 2:18 PM ET
http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Iffy-Boatrace-Bruce-Richardenson/dp/0283060433
- BulliesPhan87


"The most awesome terrible book ever written!"

I think this may be a little bit advanced for my little girl right now.
holeinone
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 07.03.2007

Apr 8 @ 2:19 PM ET
Sid was on the ice for all four goals against. Not a defensive gem
znagle
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 10.02.2014

Apr 8 @ 2:19 PM ET
other thing I picked up from the article that got me thinking. Here's how a Malkin trade could play out and be okay.

Rutherford says to Geno "give us your list of teams you would waive to". then they look for a ridiculous return from those teams. If there is no 100% no-brainer deal on the table....fire JR and hire a new GM who immediately says "I will never trade you".

no ones feelings get hurt and you get to see what kind of market is out there.

profit

- YouMeAndDupuis9


If they were going to can Ruth, that would be the perfect scenario. But, Ruth could come public and reveal that Mario etc. asked him to ask around, then fired him when they couldn't get a good return. GMs would be hesitant to come here, and obviously Malkin knows they tried to trade him.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Apr 8 @ 2:21 PM ET
Not sure about the injuries, but wouldn't you rather have 3 players who possibly could be injured instead of one that is injured frequently, 1 who is extremely streaky and one who is Sutter?

Edit: Plus those three are all young.

- znagle


to be fair, I said I would do it if it was Sutter included lol.

I get it. All 3 are young, proven, and cost controlled. I like Gallagher and Patches. If Galchenyuk is at least an above average 2nd line center for the next 5 years, I think it makes sense. We can rarely count on a full healthy season for Sid so center depth is crucial.

I love Geno and thats why its hard to say yes to any deal but that deal might just make us a better team in the long run. We still need to then find a better 3rd C and make smarter moves with the bottom 6.

Alternatively, I saw a deal proposed Malkin for Seth Jones, Forsberg, 1st or Seth Jones, Wilson, Fiala, 1st. Seth Jones isn't what we "need" but we could then flip Letang for high level forward(s). A lot of moving parts and highly unlikely we would do something like that but an interesting talking point.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Apr 8 @ 2:23 PM ET
If they were going to can Ruth, that would be the perfect scenario. But, Ruth could come public and reveal that Mario etc. asked him to ask around, then fired him when they couldn't get a good return. GMs would be hesitant to come here, and obviously Malkin knows they tried to trade him.
- znagle


then Mario says, "I fired JR because he wanted to trade you"

Geno says "I dont understand english, but I like you and your beard, Im happy here"
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 8 @ 2:24 PM ET
I'm going to say I highly, highly doubt it...but does anyone have a TIOPS subscription?

I know its just TIOPS but im curious as to what names were mentioned after the article gets cut off

http://insidepittsburghsp...ays-tiopsdailyfive/72350/

- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'm willing to bet it was ROR and then some other stuff.
holeinone
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 07.03.2007

Apr 8 @ 2:25 PM ET
All Players with the Rubber Stick Syndrome must go. Scuderi, Martini, Adams, Spaling, Little Beau Peep, Kuny Lovehate. Get players who actually like to shoot the puck. I don't care if it goes in but you must be willing to SHOOT. All the passes are nice but if they don't produce anything, it is useless. Just shoot the Mudda Foocher
Johnny Wrath
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Draft more Swedes, CA
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 8 @ 2:28 PM ET
to be fair, I said I would do it if it was Sutter included lol.

I get it. All 3 are young, proven, and cost controlled. I like Gallagher and Patches. If Galchenyuk is at least an above average 2nd line center for the next 5 years, I think it makes sense. We can rarely count on a full healthy season for Sid so center depth is crucial.

I love Geno and thats why its hard to say yes to any deal but that deal might just make us a better team in the long run. We still need to then find a better 3rd C and make smarter moves with the bottom 6.

Alternatively, I saw a deal proposed Malkin for Seth Jones, Forsberg, 1st or Seth Jones, Wilson, Fiala, 1st. Seth Jones isn't what we "need" but we could then flip Letang for high level forward(s). A lot of moving parts and highly unlikely we would do something like that but an interesting talking point.

- YouMeAndDupuis9

Seth Jones is the best D the Predators have. I don't think they trade both SJ and FF unless the Penguins are adding more value to the trade.

As you all know, I would look into trading Letang virtually no matter what else happens with the team.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Apr 8 @ 2:30 PM ET
I'm willing to bet it was ROR and then some other stuff.
- Johnny Wrath


Backes, Kesler, Kopitar, Johansen, Duchene are the only other ones coming to mind. And only the first two would make any sense.
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