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Anyone that call anyone else "champ" is a born again loser. Thats my 2 cents.

I would like to have both of those players ,they play a good game. But I sure as hell don't want them on my top 6.


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- nbartley9

Barts, logic here buddy, youd rather have comeau, old kunitz, girly bennet on our top 6, with how well we are doing right now then stone and or hoffman who are clearly better than not only all of our prospects but also the majority of our players on the NHL squad

I think I would rather have either of those guys over perron even at this point

Anyone that call anyone else "champ" is a born again loser. Thats my 2 cents.
- brienstel

"born again loser" is being added to my lexicon, effective immediately

I'd rather have a 1st rounder in the lottery than having Perron. If it were a late pick it wouldn't be a big deal.
- jfkst1

Penguins miss the playoffs and by some crazy chance they win the lottery. Id cry

You're actually agreeing with me without knowing it. I think you missed the beginning of this debate. I was trying to explain how we would never win a trade involving Letang because anything that the Pens would get in return would not help the team more than Letang at his cap hit does. What I laid out is a trade that makes sense to the Pens, but doesn't make sense for the Preds at all and thus will never happen. Any package much less than that and the trade stops making sense for the Pens. Thus, Letang will not be dealt so stop trying to armchair GM him away.
- Victoro311

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't see your previous posts. We are on the same page. You are right ... no one is giving up a great package for Letang. While is is one of the most talented defensemen in the league, his injury history will negate a lot of that.

I'm not an Ottawa fan, I'm a Pens fan. But I am also a HOCKEY fan and follow all of the teams, unlike yourself clearly. Overall is Ottawa more talented that us? No. Injuries and fatigue have caught up to us. But your complete disregard for the young stable of Quality players Ottawa has built up shows your utter lack of knowledge about the rest of the league and give the rest of us Pens fans our arrogant and ignorant reputation. I don't think Hoffman and Stone are future MVP's. But give credit where credit is due.
- Willaged

I just don't think we'd get a fair deal, but I also don't think we're in that poopty of a place with him. He had a solid, healthy season this year until that Doan hit which was just unfortunate in every aspect of the play. Moving forward his 7.5 isn't bad at all for an elite two way defenseman, so if he can put his concussion days behind him like Crosby did (don't worry I just knocked on wood) we're just fine.
- Victoro311

I hear ya, and agree...time will tell I suppose we can revisit this time next season when letang has either been an iron man or is still in the dark room waiting for the ceiling to stop spinning

Cant stand Subban, but this is blatant Homer Bias. Subban has missed under 10 games due to injury his entire career. Letang has missed over an entires season worth of games in that same span. Their contracts arent all that far apart not to mention Subban is younger and getting better by the year with the stats to prove it.
- did109

Letang is 7.5 and Subban is 9. That's 1.5 mil difference. When you're in the Pens situation, I don't feel like shelling out the extra 1.5 mil for the luxury that would be the upgrade from Letang to Subban when it can be put towards improving the bottom six. Like I said, Letang had a solid, healthy season this season.

Barts, logic here buddy, youd rather have comeau, old kunitz, girly bennet on our top 6, with how well we are doing right now then stone and or hoffman who are clearly better than not only all of our prospects but also the majority of our players on the NHL squad

I think I would rather have either of those guys over perron even at this point
- JLT168

Comeau is a 3rd liner so is Kuni, but that doesn't change the fact that if I had my choice of top 6 forwards Stone and Hoffman would not be anywhere on that entire list.

- SENS 613

i feel like its harder to argue that stone isnt a top 6 winger than it is to argue for him being one.

he is EXACTLY what this team needs, and has failed to produce.

Barts, logic here buddy, youd rather have comeau, old kunitz, girly bennet on our top 6, with how well we are doing right now then stone and or hoffman who are clearly better than not only all of our prospects but also the majority of our players on the NHL squad

I think I would rather have either of those guys over perron even at this point
- JLT168

Exactly. He defies logic. Stone and Hoffman are better than anyone not named Malkin, Crosby and maybe Hornqvuist as far as our forward collections. I have to laugh how Beau Bennett is exactly top six material (lol), but guys that are producing in Ottawa without the benefit of a superstar aren't worthy.

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Oh god...so Sabres will be playing with their lives to win the final game and the Flyers will be playing for their lives to lose to Ottawa. Here's your adversity on a silver platter!

I see it as a collapse and MJ has his head up his ass... I doubt a Barry Trotz coached team would collapse this badly. Yes we lack some depth but it's not like these guys aren't NHL caliber players. This coach has shown me nothing to make me believe he was ready for this job.

I cant help myself your right, but you just keep poking at me (with horrible insults like idiot); so yeah I will entertain the masses.

You are out of your mind if you would be happy with those guys as top 6 forwards on a contending team. Chiasson and Lazar are who you are going to hang your hat on, wow I cant even fathom what you see when you watch hockey. You just keep making crap up like you follow Ottawa and know the ability and ups and downs of every single player in the league. Listen buddy boy I have the interweb too.

You are bringing up the Sens roster on google (shout out Guile) and just picking and choosing what stats you want to throw out; go ahead and deny it everyone here knows that's all you bring to the table every single day I have yet to see you post an original idea that has any merit or entertainment value, you have watched the Sens what 4 times this year? You don't know these players stop pretending that you do. I have watched them as much as you have this year, go ahead and bash me for not wanting those 2 on my top 6. If you do it clearly shows who knows hockey and who doesn't.

I would like to have both of those players ,they play a good game. But I sure as hell don't want them on my top 6.

Im sure you will come back at me with classic comebacks like you love to do so much, with your very witty insults; just do me a favor and remember who it is exactly your talking to. I bring something to this thread, agree with it or not; I don't go around throwing out school yard insults and burn my fingertips trying to look through teams rosters pretending I know them through and through, like you obviously do. Bring something to the table I dare you.

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- nbartley9

With all young players, Canadian fans want to know their history with Team Canada. Stone had a wonderful tournament. Is he a future 40 goal scorer as some analysts are predicting? We really don't know. But, he is so much more than your ill informed bleating suggests.

I'd rather have a 1st rounder in the lottery than having Perron. If it were a late pick it wouldn't be a big deal.
- jfkst1

15th or 25th will get same quality of player. Trade was a bust for Pens. Loads of people said it here, but pens fans had their blinders on.

Penguins miss the playoffs and by some crazy chance they win the lottery. Id cry
- drummer829

Even taking that aside, this draft is supposed to be very deep even with the high end talent and a middle-first rounder would be really lucrative.

Letang is 7.5 and Subban is 9. That's 1.5 mil difference. When you're in the Pens situation, I don't feel like shelling out the extra 1.5 mil for the luxury that would be the upgrade from Letang to Subban when it can be put towards improving the bottom six. Like I said, Letang had a solid, healthy season this season.
- Victoro311

Misunderstood your comment and was taking it all things considered equal. But considering it a healthy season? He is going to miss 10 plus games again. I am not certain it should be considered a luxury when having your 9 million dollar guy in the lineup compared to having your 7.5 million guy missing chunks of each season.

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 54s55 seconds ago

Sens GM Bryan Murray on nephew Tim Murray's Sabres playing Penguins on Saturday. ``I think he owes me that,'' Bryan Murray smiled...
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Oh god...so Sabres will be playing with their lives to win the final game and the Flyers will be playing for their lives to lose to Ottawa. Here's your adversity on a silver platter!
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Funny, good comic relief on your part. But, like all comedy it is funny because it is grounded in a unique revelation of truth!

Comeau is a 3rd liner so is Kuni, but that doesn't change the fact that if I had my choice of top 6 forwards Stone and Hoffman would not be anywhere on that entire list.
- nbartley9

well, to be fair if youre saying choice of, that could be from a large pool.

obviously, guys like seguin, OV, perry, voracek, ect. okay, then maybe stone isnt going to be considered top 6 against that metric.

but in all reality, when the sample size becomes the league, i think theres a strong case for it. especially when you add in the fact that he is young and cost effective. two things that would make him a PERFECT fit for this team. when you factor in things like the salary cap and youth, he actually makes it on the fairly short list for me.

again, maybe not my first selection, but to me, if you placed him on this team right now, he plays over comeau no question. hell, if perron cant get it done, id even give him a go next to crosby and hornqvist. but worst case scenario, i dont know how he wouldnt slot in with malkin over either comeau or kuni

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 54s55 seconds ago

Sens GM Bryan Murray on nephew Tim Murray's Sabres playing Penguins on Saturday. ``I think he owes me that,'' Bryan Murray smiled...
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Oh god...so Sabres will be playing with their lives to win the final game and the Flyers will be playing for their lives to lose to Ottawa. Here's your adversity on a silver platter!
- YouMeAndDupuis9

You cant script this kind of irony....this Penguins team thought to be a powerhouse limping into the playoffs facing the worst team in the league while their biggest rival plays the other team vying for their spot. Its been that kind of year for the Guins.

Exactly. He defies logic. Stone and Hoffman are better than anyone not named Malkin, Crosby and maybe Hornqvuist as far as our forward collections. I have to laugh how Beau Bennett is exactly top six material (lol), but guys that are producing in Ottawa without the benefit of a superstar aren't worthy.
- Oneonta Penguin

Your not the brightest guy are you, im actually slightly feeling bad now for pointing what it is you obviously do.

Before last night you could not have named any player on the Sens first line besides Turris, deny it all you want. Your act doesn't fool anyone, anyone with one finger and an eye ball can do what you do when it comes to "proving" your points as far as caliber of players. You don't know these guys any better than I or anyone else here does. It is clear however that these guys are not who I would want leading me to the Stanley Cup.

The fact that you said maybe Horny is a better top 6 forward proves my point exactly, anyone can read off a roster and say exactly what you say, you have yet to mention an intangible that these 2 budding superstars have that is sooo desired by you. Still waiting on that one; hurry up open your search engine!!!

Also Bennett is a top 6 talent, but the problem is he isn't any good. HE IS WORTHLESS ANYWHERE ELSE ON ANY ROSTER. Google that see what comes up.

You cant script this kind of irony....this Penguins team thought to be a powerhouse limping into the playoffs facing the worst team in the league while their biggest rival plays the other team vying for their spot. Its been that kind of year for the Guins.
- did109

the pens and flyers have just both have that kind of year that makes you just curse the sky.

the pens, well thats been discussed to great lengths. its just inexplicably frustrating.

but the flyers, man. if you said okay team x is going to have 2 forwards in the art ross hunt, a 50 point defender, and a goalie in the top 3ish in save percentage. yeah.. theyre a lottery team. um what?

this state just aint having hockey this year.

Your not the brightest guy are you, im actually slightly feeling bad now for pointing what it is you obviously do.

Before last night you could not have named any player on the Sens first line besides Turris, deny it all you want. Your act doesn't fool anyone, anyone with one finger and an eye ball can do what you do when it comes to "proving" your points as far as caliber of players. You don't know these guys any better than I or anyone else here does. It is clear however that these guys are not who I would want leading me to the Stanley Cup.

The fact that you said maybe Horny is a better top 6 forward proves my point exactly, anyone can read off a roster and say exactly what you say, you have yet to mention an intangible that these 2 budding superstars have that is sooo desired by you. Still waiting on that one; hurry up open your search engine!!!

Also Bennett is a top 6 talent, but the problem is he isn't any good. HE IS WORTHLESS ANYWHERE ELSE ON ANY ROSTER. Google that see what comes up.
- nbartley9

thank the (frank) christ for that guy.

Your not the brightest guy are you, im actually slightly feeling bad now for pointing what it is you obviously do.

Before last night you could not have named any player on the Sens first line besides Turris, deny it all you want. Your act doesn't fool anyone, anyone with one finger and an eye ball can do what you do when it comes to "proving" your points as far as caliber of players. You don't know these guys any better than I or anyone else here does. It is clear however that these guys are not who I would want leading me to the Stanley Cup.

The fact that you said maybe Horny is a better top 6 forward proves my point exactly, anyone can read off a roster and say exactly what you say, you have yet to mention an intangible that these 2 budding superstars have that is sooo desired by you. Still waiting on that one; hurry up open your search engine!!!

Also Bennett is a top 6 talent, but the problem is he isn't any good. HE IS WORTHLESS ANYWHERE ELSE ON ANY ROSTER. Google that see what comes up.
- nbartley9

Did you eat breakfast? You want to avoid blood sugar spikes.