I think you're crazy if you actually believe any of this. Every team has issues with the officiating in the NHL. Whenever your team is going through a rough stretch it's amplified like with my team for example. Do you have any idea how many blown calls, horrible goal decisions we've had the last couple months? It's been ridiculous but every team has them. The officiating is awful through out the league not just the Pens they aren't singled out.
- Cptmjl

Shhh, stop ruining the narrative.

Jeez, this place is turning into a Maple Leafs fan-level conspiracy center.

nah the nhl wont give us him like they gave the pens crosby


maybe if stevens crys the nhl might feel bad for us and give us eichel, i mean they let the pens stay after mario went crying
- dmarsden2988

Says the guy who's team cut a back room deal with bettman and the league top not have to give upa first round pick they were stripped of for knowingly and blatantly trying to cheat and circumvent the salary cap.

Your words carry a ton of weight in the "bettman loves the penguins"argument

What does one have to do with the other? When you guys say the refs are out to get you and use that "non call" on Letang as an example it instantly takes away from your credibility. It was an obvious dive and not a penalty.
- Cptmjl

Shouldn't you be more concerned about another late season Brooklyn collapse?

lol, one of the biggest trolls calls someone's credibility into question. You shouldn't speak about something you have absolutely nothing of.

Shouldn't you be more concerned about another late season Brooklyn collapse?

lol, one of the biggest trolls calls someone's credibility into question. You shouldn't speak about something you have absolutely nothing of.
- Sell My Monkey

Im a troll? Read my posts from this thread do any of them seem worthy of that label? Thats pretty much how they always are... Some on here dont like to hear differing opinions. This is a good example. Im sorry keep on fooling yourselves into thinking the poor penguins are getting singled out by refs. Brooklyn collapse? What does this even mean?

Im a troll? Read my posts from this thread do any of them seem worthy of that label? Thats pretty much how they always are... Some on here dont like to hear differing opinions. This is a good example. Im sorry jeep on fooling yourselves into thinking the poor enguins are getting singled putby refs. Brooklyn collapse? What does this even mean?
- Cptmjl

The irony

The irony
- znagle

on my.phone

on my.phone
- Cptmjl

That's your excuse for everything.

"Why are you making typos?"
"How are you making phone calls?"
"Why did you vote for the Green party?"
"Why don't you use a condom?"

Im a troll? Read my posts from this thread do any of them seem worthy of that label? Thats pretty much how they always are... Some on here dont like to hear differing opinions. This is a good example. Im sorry keep on fooling yourselves into thinking the poor penguins are getting singled out by refs. Brooklyn collapse? What does this even mean?
- Cptmjl

The problem as I see it is that it isn't just one game.... if it's a bunch of whiners coming out after one game that's fine.... shut up and work harder.....

But it's a pattern set over the previous few years.... it's Dubinsky and Marc Staal constantly cross check and interfere and hold guys like Crosby and Malkin in last years playoffs..... Crosby is working harder than any other player in the league right now when he's on the ice and he hasn't drawn a penalty in a few weeks.... So either every defender and forward in the league is now as good as he is or the game is being called very differently.

It's looking more and more likely that the scoring champion will not break 82 points this season and that is incredibly sad when you have guys like Stamkos, Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, Tavares, Kane, etc in the league.

And again objectively, this is something that should really concern you as an Isles fan too.... You have a superstar in Tavares who is under a great deal for another few years.... but given the money that Toews and Kane just got and what Stamkos will get, the Isles are going to have to pony up 11-13 million a year for JT and if that's the going rate for a point/game player then there's no way a team with 1 let alone 2 superstars will be balanced enough to contend for a cup again.

Not overly concerned with last nights game. What I am sick of is over the past 5 years how many times I've said or heard their goalie was hot and stole that game. Gotta figure out how to bang a few in when a goalie is standing on his head

What does one have to do with the other? When you guys say the refs are out to get you and use that "non call" on Letang as an example it instantly takes away from your credibility. It was an obvious dive and not a penalty.
- Cptmjl

If it was a dive, explain to me Letang's rationale behind it. Why would a player go one on four into the offensive zone with his team's goalie pulled select that time to dive? It was a clear trip and it was not called. It did not cost the Pens the came. It is, however, emblematic of the terrible standard of officiating in this league.

Congratulations to the Devils though who in the eyes of both officials played a perfect, penalty free game. Oh wait, I forgot about that one trip that was, of course, evened up with an embellishment call.

Islanders fans...your team is loaded with top end talent- you will come to hate this league's policy of favor grit and checking over skill and speed once the playoffs start.

#4thlineleague

What does one have to do with the other? When you guys say the refs are out to get you and use that "non call" on Letang as an example it instantly takes away from your credibility. It was an obvious dive and not a penalty.
- Cptmjl

To be totally honest it was actually both, stick in the feet making contact with the skates is a trip; no matter if there was a dive or not; which there most certainly was.

Although the amount of dives that go on in a single game are staggering, IF the refs did call a game the way that NFL refs this past season called illegal hands; the league would be far more enjoyable to watch. Sign me up for a few 8-7 games or 7-6 games, with 10 PPs. But because of the amount of diving that goes on (by every single team) its impossible for everything to be called; the way things are now.


Simple solution- Call every dive and penalty, and give an extra 2 to the diver.


What happens when Sutter is so weak on his skates, he flails to the ice when a house fly smacks into his visor, what then??


F Sutter

To be totally honest it was actually both, stick in the feet making contact with the skates is a trip; no matter if there was a dive or not; which there most certainly was.

Although the amount of dives that go on in a single game are staggering, IF the refs did call a game the way that NFL refs this past season called illegal hands; the league would be far more enjoyable to watch. Sign me up for a few 8-7 games or 7-6 games, with 10 PPs. But because of the amount of diving that goes on (by every single team) its impossible for everything to be called; the way things are now.


Simple solution- Call every dive and penalty, and give an extra 2 to the diver.


What happens when Sutter is so weak on his skates, he flails to the ice when a house fly smacks into his visor, what then??


F Sutter
- nbartley9

I am kind of tired of hearing about diving. I do not think it is as rampant as others suggest. It is certainly not a more pressing issue than the utter lack of entertainment value currently found in the league.

Players have always taken dives...but it is usually preceded by an opposing player committing an infraction that far too often goes uncalled.

As to giving an extra two minutes to the diver..that is akin to arresting someone for saying their gun shot wound hurts...bit of hyperbole I know...

Players have always taken dives...but it is usually preceded by an opposing player committing an infraction that far too often goes uncalled.
- Tiogadog

Agreed. That said:

I am kind of tired of hearing about diving. I do not think it is as rampant as others suggest. It is certainly not a more pressing issue than the utter lack of entertainment value currently found in the league.

Players have always taken dives...but it is usually preceded by an opposing player committing an infraction that far too often goes uncalled.
- Tiogadog

I think that the diving has been more prevalent in recent seasons because of the calls going down. Players are going out of their way to try to draw a penalty.

I'm willing to bet if the league officiated the game a little tighter, dives would decrease as well.

I am kind of tired of hearing about diving. I do not think it is as rampant as others suggest. It is certainly not a more pressing issue than the utter lack of entertainment value currently found in the league.

Players have always taken dives...but it is usually preceded by an opposing player committing an infraction that far too often goes uncalled.
- Tiogadog

The league was going to crack down on divers this year with fines and to my knowledge very few players have been fined......I think Neal was the first

Not overly concerned with last nights game. What I am sick of is over the past 5 years how many times I've said or heard their goalie was hot and stole that game. Gotta figure out how to bang a few in when a goalie is standing on his head
- dbell646

Yeah... it's easy to brush over the game saying that it was just because a goalie got hot, but it seems to happen too often against the Penguins. Like you said, maybe the Pens need a different approach at times.

Schneider played well last night, but I can't remember one save where he really robbed someone. It was more so that he was always in position, and made the saves that should be made.

I am kind of tired of hearing about diving. I do not think it is as rampant as others suggest. It is certainly not a more pressing issue than the utter lack of entertainment value currently found in the league.

Players have always taken dives...but it is usually preceded by an opposing player committing an infraction that far too often goes uncalled.
- Tiogadog

Sad but very very true.

Refs do suck, but so do ice conditions, so do freak injuries like Geno's; its all part of the game. Just do what I do when the refs suck, shoot the puck as hard as you can at their faces then piss on the floor in the penalty box.

Agreed. That said:


- jmatchett383

That ref hit him right in the mouth. Probably because of all the profanity

doesnt matter

the penguins suck

dont hold your breath we make it out of the 1st round unless we sweep whoever we play

this team shows no heart, first bit of adversity and they rollover

we better blow this team up if we dont make it to the cup.

Yeah... it's easy to brush over the game saying that it was just because a goalie got hot, but it seems to happen too often against the Penguins. Like you said, maybe the Pens need a different approach at times.

Schneider played well last night, but I can't remember one save where he really robbed someone. It was more so that he was always in position, and made the saves that should be made.
- rival22

He was square to the puck and played well but you're right he didn't have to make many incredible saves. I'd have like to see someone falling on top of him whacking away at the puck just some desperation. I don't see enough of that from this team.

doesnt matter

the penguins suck

dont hold your breath we make it out of the 1st round unless we sweep whoever we play

this team shows no heart, first bit of adversity and they rollover
we better blow this team up if we dont make it to the cup.
- JLT168

Kind of ironic

doesnt matter

the penguins suck

dont hold your breath we make it out of the 1st round unless we sweep whoever we play

this team shows no heart, first bit of adversity and they rollover

we better blow this team up if we dont make it to the cup.
- JLT168

That is exactly what would happen.

If it was a dive, explain to me Letang's rationale behind it. Why would a player go one on four into the offensive zone with his team's goalie pulled select that time to dive? It was a clear trip and it was not called. It did not cost the Pens the came. It is, however, emblematic of the terrible standard of officiating in this league.

Congratulations to the Devils though who in the eyes of both officials played a perfect, penalty free game. Oh wait, I forgot about that one trip that was, of course, evened up with an embellishment call.

Islanders fans...your team is loaded with top end talent- you will come to hate this league's policy of favor grit and checking over skill and speed once the playoffs start.

#4thlineleague
- Tiogadog

You answered your own question. He's going in one on four. He wasn't getting anywhere the change was complete behind him. He felt the stick on his foot and reacted two seconds after it happened. Obvious embellishment to go up two men after you guys pulled your goalie. If you complain about that being a non call I can understand why hockey has become so hard for some of you guys to watch. As far as me growing to hate the leagues officiating I just didn't start watching the sport yesterday. Officiating has been terrible since the late seventies this is nothing new and has gotten worse since the instigator penalty.

Tavares deals with all of the same clutching and grabbing that Crosby and Malkin do. He had no less than three missed calls on him yesterday and had a holding the stick called on him in the third. Does that mean there's a conspiracy against Tavares and the Islanders now? Point is it sucks all the way around. Do refs blow games and calls along with Toronto? Yes but it's not some conspiracy against the Pens. Is there bias against Downie? Probably he's a complete POS who has tried to injure other players intentionally. That's what you take on when you employ a player like that. Can't have one without the other.

To be totally honest it was actually both, stick in the feet making contact with the skates is a trip; no matter if there was a dive or not; which there most certainly was.

Although the amount of dives that go on in a single game are staggering, IF the refs did call a game the way that NFL refs this past season called illegal hands; the league would be far more enjoyable to watch. Sign me up for a few 8-7 games or 7-6 games, with 10 PPs. But because of the amount of diving that goes on (by every single team) its impossible for everything to be called; the way things are now.


Simple solution- Call every dive and penalty, and give an extra 2 to the diver.


What happens when Sutter is so weak on his skates, he flails to the ice when a house fly smacks into his visor, what then??


F Sutter
- nbartley9

All teams dive. Clutterbuck does it on my team and others have embellished as well. The pens have a rep of doing it but I didn't say it as a jab against the Pens it was an observation. As far as it being both a dive and a trip that's more of a fair argument but Letang falling five feet after the "infraction" occurred doesn't help that argument.