I know this won't be a popular post but I will say it anyways.

The two things that Canucks have needed over the last few years are secondary scoring and toughness. Tanev brings neither of those two things. We already have a no grit D with Edler and Hamhuis that provide little toughness and lack of scoring. Now we are looking to add a third man like that at a high salary.

We proved a player can walk in and fill those same type minutes a lot cheaper.

Tanev seldom gets caught out of position and is a decent passer but not a point producer. His career high hits is 25.

I will be very curious as to whether Benning looks at it like this or not.

I think Tanev can also be included as injury prone.
- VANTEL

I agree, he is like a jack of a few trades sort of dman.

Blocks shots as good as any on the team, a good passer and is always in position. Was just thinking, I don't really know how to class him as a skater because he doesn't carry the puck a lot- no end to end rushes and since he is almost always in position, not too many guys get behind him.

I am not too down on him being a little fragile because he does block shots and is willing to take a hit to make a play.

Don't really like the Lidstrom comparison because Lidstrom had a lot more offence. The JBo comparison is interesting except the big advantage with Bouwmeester is size and durability- even though he isn't really physical either, and he can eat up minutes.

I would like to see a more physical dcore.

I'd like to see Tanev resigned, just want don't necessarily want another 4+mil dman cap hit.

You're using hits as part of your argument, but I'm suggesting that being a better player is more important when it comes to winning. Tanev's been the Canucks best d-man this year, he's young as well(youngest top 4 dman on the team) and our D prospect group is weak as hell.


He plays the toughest minutes and also allows the fewest goals against, that's the definition of a shutdown d-'man.

The only argument I'll buy is that he's injury-prone due to all the hits he takes.
- Nucker101

You are looking at it from one angle only. When was the last time Tanev got into a bowl when someone ran the goalie? When was the last time Tanev too the puck behind his goal and skated through the other team and scored. He has a Marshmellows of a shot.

Tanev is a decent player but if you are going to sign him them move out Hamhuis and bring in that big shot Dman or the one to protect his goalie or back up Dorsett when a scuffle arises.
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I am not slamming Tanev , but cAnucks as a group keep sending out the same type Dman

A good Dcore needs a defensive type guy , a puck mover point producer, a guy with the big hit, a fighter and a smart type Dman like Tanev to eat minutes.

We have three Tanevs back there with Edler and Hamhuis being thT type Dman. We need variety so we have that Dman to handle all situations
- VANTEL

Hamhuis sure but he is better than Tanev is offensively and physically. Corrado might be the same type as well.

Edler is not at all the same type of player but has regressed offensively this year while being better defensively. He also tends to ramp up the physicality in the playoffs a la Ohlund.
Bieksa used to score and provides some snarl. I agree the team needs more physical guys but they also need Tanev, and more importantly really need a PP QB.

I agree, he is like a jack of a few trades sort of dman.

Blocks shots as good as any on the team, a good passer and is always in position. Was just thinking, I don't really know how to class him as a skater because he doesn't carry the puck a lot- no end to end rushes and since he is almost always in position, not too many guys get behind him.

I am not too down on him being a little fragile because he does block shots and is willing to take a hit to make a play.

Don't really like the Lidstrom comparison because Lidstrom had a lot more offence. The JBo comparison is interesting except the big advantage with Bouwmeester is size and durability- even though he isn't really physical either, and he can eat up minutes.

I would like to see a more physical dcore.
- hillbillydeluxe

He doesn't have Jbo speed or size . His career high 25 hits and 17 points is easily replaceable .

Like I posted earlier, if you keep him then move Hamhuis

I'd only take him back at 1M max and tell him he'll be the 6/7 guy and only if he wins the training camp competition.
- Nucker101

I'd be ok giving him a '1 year earn your next deal' type of contract. Physically he has all the tools to be good, but cant ever deliver all at the same time. This tactic might push him to make improvements from fear of being out of the league the following year

Hamhuis sure but he is better than Tanev is offensively and physically. Corrado might be the same type as well.

Edler is not at all the same type of player but has regressed offensively this year while being better defensively. He also tends to ramp up the physicality in the playoffs a la Ohlund.
Bieksa used to score and provides some snarl. I agree the team needs more physical guys but they also need Tanev, and more importantly really need a PP QB.
- belcherbd

Edler and Bieksa use to do a lot more back in 2011. That was eons ago.

We need a well rounded D not everyone of them the same

I'd be ok giving him a '1 year earn your next deal' type of contract. Physically he has all the tools to be good, but cant ever deliver all at the same time. This tactic might push him to make improvements from fear of being out of the league the following year
- WhiteLie

At 3.4 like Krug

You are looking at it from one angle only. When was the last time Tanev got into a bowl when someone ran the goalie? When was the last time Tanev too the puck behind his goal and skated through the other team and scored. He has a Marshmellows of a shot.

Tanev is a decent player but if you are going to sign him them move out Hamhuis and bring in that big shot Dman or the one to protect his goalie or back up Dorsett when a scuffle arises.

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Perfect description

He doesn't have Jbo speed or size . His career high 25 hits and 17 points is easily replaceable .

Like I posted earlier, if you keep him then move Hamhuis
- VANTEL

Tanev is an exceptional skater

He doesn't have Jbo speed or size . His career high 35 hits and 17 points is easily replaceable .

Like I posted earlier, if you keep him then move Hamhuis
- VANTEL

I'd rather keep Hamhuis over Bieksa and hope someone like Pedan can step up sooner or later, but most likely later. As Belcher said, and many others, we really need that pmd pp qb sort of offensive dman. And they are hard to come by. (and we need more size and checking)

I think we have lowered our expectations of dmen since we haven't had any gems in the system since Luc.

He doesn't have Jbo speed or size . His career high 25 hits and 17 points is easily replaceable .

Like I posted earlier, if you keep him then move Hamhuis
- VANTEL

I keep Hamhuis. I bet even into his 30's he'll be a faster/better skater than Tanev

EDIT: Not a knock on Tanev, just think Hamhuis' skating is smooth and efficient

At 3.4 like Krug
- VANTEL

We are talking about Sbisa right? His qualifier will be 3+ and Tanev is too much at 4?

Edler and Bieksa use to do a lot more back in 2011. That was eons ago.

We need a well rounded D not everyone of them the same
- VANTEL

Vancouver also had a top 5 PP back then and a lot more people tickling the twine more often. The whole team except for the Sedins are lacking in scoring. When the forwards pick it up the D will too.

2013 Redraft: Who takes Nichushkin and who takes Horvat two years later eval. Not the final word, but I'm just curious to see whether anyone has changed their mind. I know I would have said Nichushkin up to about a month ago, now I am not so sure

Perhaps it has been posted, but did everybody see Kalinen hit his head on the ice in the KHL? Started convulsing

I keep Hamhuis. I bet even into his 30's he'll be a faster/better skater than Tanev

EDIT: Not a knock on Tanev, just think Hamhuis' skating is smooth and efficient
- WhiteLie

Tanev is a way way better skater then hamhuis

Tanev is an exceptional skater
- Bieksa#3

I am not knocking him , he is a very decent player, not worth 4 mil , but very decent.

We are a soft team. Having Edler Hamhuis Tanev Stanton Weber is sad. If I am an opponent I am licking my chops. No one to defend against, no one to worry about with a big hit other than Edler every 10 games or so.

Everyone is excited about Pedan because just maybe there is a guy who can hit and fight. That is one big maybe.

Ideally you need a D core like the Kings Ducks Islanders Hawks Bruins Blues Pens Rangers TB Fla

2013 Redraft: Who takes Nichushkin and who takes Horvat two years later eval. Not the final word, but I'm just curious to see whether anyone has changed their mind. I know I would have said Nichushkin up to about a month ago, now I am not so sure
- bezz44

Hard to knock VN as he has been injured

I am not knocking him , he is a very decent player, not worth 4 mil , but very decent.

We are a soft team. Having Edler Hamhuis Tanev Stanton Weber is sad. If I am an opponent I am licking my chops. No one to defend against, no one to worry about with a big hit other than Edler every 10 games or so.

Everyone is excited about Pedan because just maybe there is a guy who can hit and fight. That is one big maybe.

Ideally you need a D core like the Kings Ducks Islanders Hawks Bruins Blues Pens Rangers TB Fla
- VANTEL

Stanton isn't soft.

Tanev is a way way better skater then hamhuis
- Bieksa#3

Laterally in the corners, quick feet I give Tanev the edge. Open ice, off the rush its Hamhuis all the way

Hard to knock VN as he has been injured
- Bieksa#3

Certainly not a knock, I just didn't think Bo would be where he is right now, I thought the possibility of me changing my mind wouldn't come for another couple of years

Stanton isn't soft.
- Bieksa#3

He was big for us last year. I think he is solidly our #5

Edler and Bieksa use to do a lot more back in 2011. That was eons ago.

We need a well rounded D not everyone of them the same
- VANTEL

Need 4 well rounded D and 3 guys who can provide some offensive or grit.

As of now Hamhuis, Bieksa, Tanev are well rounded and Edler is offensive IMO the rest is either a project without much hope of success (Clendening,Weber,Sbisa) or mediocre at best projection IMO(Corrado, Stanton).

I've said it before resign Tanev, let Sbisa walk and offer the rest of the RFA two contracts only.
Spend any UFA money shoring up the bottom 6 with a guy like McQuaid/Jackman/Odyua etc and hope one of the RFA's can stick.

Laterally in the corners, quick feet I give Tanev the edge. Open ice, off the rush its Hamhuis all the way
- WhiteLie

IMO there are only a handful of d men in the league who are better skaters then Tanev.
Just because Tanev doesn't produce points everybody overlooks this.
You remember Bret Hedican? Probably one of the best skating d men ever. He couldn't produce pts

Vancouver also had a top 5 PP back then and a lot more people tickling the twine more often. The whole team except for the Sedins are lacking in scoring. When the forwards pick it up the D will too.
- manvanfan

That is part of the danger in signing guys to long contracts (and ntc's). The benefit is getting what you think is a reasonable cap hit and then the player is slowed by injury, age and maybe there is less desire to prove ones self too.

That damn aging core.