You said it yourself a few days ago. Tanev is not worth 4 mil. He is a 3.5 mil at best
- VANTEL

Nope. Said we shouldn't pay him 5 put4+ is reasonable

And I also said I'd pay him 5 before paying Mathias 3

I know this won't be a popular post but I will say it anyways.

The two things that Canucks have needed over the last few years are secondary scoring and toughness. Tanev brings neither of those two things. We already have a no grit D with Edler and Hamhuis that provide little toughness and lack of scoring. Now we are looking to add a third man like that at a high salary.

We proved a player can walk in and fill those same type minutes a lot cheaper.

Tanev seldom gets caught out of position and is a decent passer but not a point producer. His career high hits is 25.

I will be very curious as to whether Benning looks at it like this or not.

I think Tanev can also be included as injury prone.
- VANTEL

I agree that the team needs grit in the back end ( sounds so dirty) but you can find physical dman who can play in the 4/5/6 spot for less salary. It is really hard to find someone who limits the offense of the other team as effectively as Tanev.

Scoring from the back end also needs to be addressed and this year has been especially bad for the nucks. Edler/Bieksa/Hamhuis have all regressed offensively.

So Sbisa>Tanev?

Are hits and blocks just as valuable as stopping goals? That's kind of the main purpose of a defenseman in hockey.
- Nucker101

Did I say that. No way in hell Sbisa should be paid more than 2. Sbisa does make other teams keep their heads up though , Tanev not so much

So Sbisa>Tanev?

Are hits and blocks just as valuable as stopping goals? That's kind of the main purpose of a defenseman in hockey.
- Nucker101

Yep.

Lidstrom was an amazing match up d man. They always put him out against Sakic, Thornton, Naslund etc.

How many times did u ever see him hit?

Hitting is nice but is only used when needed

Okay even I think we have killed the Tanev contract to death. Can argue about it till the cows come home.

Moving on, tonights game vs ducks. This is kind of a show who they are game. Sadly they won the last game so they probably won't show tonight but this game to me shows if they should be in the playoffs at all at the end of the season and if they stand a chance of even showing up for the first round series.

I have looked at both numbers, and this is only his third season with the club full time. His first full time season he scored at a .18 PPG, second season at .26 PPG, third season at .28 PPG. He is only 25. If you look at Hamhuis' numbers, he has had two anomalous seasons where he scored significantly more than his typical yearly numbers. Outside of those two seasons, he is a 23-27 point defenseman, or a .28-.32 PPG d-man, which is equal or slightly better than Tanev's season thus far. I don't think he is "way more physical" as he rarely ever hits, despite his ability to do so. Not only that, but you pulled out an absolutely arbitrary number in Hamhuis being worth twice as much as Tanev. Tanev is a better shot blocker which you ignored, and a three season sample size is not a whole lot to say that Tanev is fragile, though I will concede the point that Hamhuis is more durable. If Dan Hamhuis at 25 signs a contract in today's cap world I say he easily gets 6 million. If you think that Tanev isn't worth signing at 4 then I don't know what to say, and frankly I am getting pretty tired of seeing this discussion on here, so it will hopefully be the last thing I have to say on the matter. We will wait and see what he gets. He doesn't necessarily get 4+ but considering people on here are willing to sign Shawn Matthias at 3.5mil I think it is insanity to suggest Tanev isn't worth that kind of money
- bezz44

Tanev has never played a full season, the most games he has played is 64 games so far. So YES I think 4 million is too high. Just because we have a need for young Dmen. Ballard had better numbers Dan Hanhuis had shown more before we signed him then Tanev likely ever will. Stop sugar coating his stats... he never played full time until a couple years ago cause he wasn't good enough. He is a late blooming good top 4 dman who has maxed out his potential. he has 0 offensive/physical upside, Gets smashed around because he is undersized, and can't stay healthy for a full season, and only real quality is not to make many bad plays rather then making good ones. If he gets North of 4 million we are paying out of need rather then talent. If you want to compare a 25 yr old Hamhuis now, as a 6 million player with todays salaries then Tanev is worth slightly more then half of that at least in my opinion. I expect around 4 million but think 3.5 is more in line with talent. Look at Voynov's numbers and he got 4 million recently.

I agree that the team needs grit in the back end ( sounds so dirty) but you can find physical dman who can play in the 4/5/6 spot for less salary. It is really hard to find someone who limits the offense of the other team as effectively as Tanev.

Scoring from the back end also needs to be addressed and this year has been especially bad for the nucks. Edler/Bieksa/Hamhuis have all regressed offensively.
- belcherbd

This is simply a case of fans undervaluing an asset that they take for granted. It's way easier to find a physical d-man who's not as effective defensively as Tanev than it is to find a d-man as effective as Tanev(especially a righty).


Bieksa, Clendening, Corrado down the right side...every top line forward in our division just whipped it out Joe Thornton style after seeing that depth chart.


The Canucks d-group and had been horrible lately, even with Edler back.

We need a better +/- dman, our 3 best are Edler and Stanton with +10 and Tanev with +8..... lets get the NHL +/- leader, Jason Garrison a +24.... oh wait a second

Okay even I think we have killed the Tanev contract to death. Can argue about it till the cows come home.

Moving on, tonights game vs ducks. This is kind of a show who they are game. Sadly they won the last game so they probably won't show tonight but this game to me shows if they should be in the playoffs at all at the end of the season and if they stand a chance of even showing up for the first round series.
- manvanfan

I think the LA games coming up will be a bigger indication of both. Van has played okay so far against Anaheim and think it really depends on goal tending. Andersen hasn't been great since coming back from injury and if he falters I like our chances.

Good lord, are we really having this discussion again?
- bezz44

Exactly.

Did I say that. No way in hell Sbisa should be paid more than 2. Sbisa does make other teams keep their heads up though , Tanev not so much
- VANTEL

You're using hits as part of your argument, but I'm suggesting that being a better player is more important when it comes to winning. Tanev's been the Canucks best d-man this year, he's young as well(youngest top 4 dman on the team) and our D prospect group is weak as hell.


He plays the toughest minutes and also allows the fewest goals against, that's the definition of a shutdown d-'man.

The only argument I'll buy is that he's injury-prone due to all the hits he takes.

This is simply a case of fans undervaluing an asset that they take for granted. It's way easier to find a physical d-man who's not as effective defensively as Tanev than it is to find a d-man as effective as Tanev(especially a righty).


Bieksa, Clendening, Corrado down the right side...every top line forward in our division just whipped it out Joe Thornton style after seeing that depth chart.


The Canucks d-group and had been horrible lately, even with Edler back.
- Nucker101

Tanev is jay boumeester

I think the LA games coming up will be a bigger indication of both. Van has played okay so far against Anaheim and think it really depends on goal tending. Andersen hasn't been great since coming back from injury and if he falters I like our chances.
- belcherbd

I like that they showed some heart to come back last game. Hopefully they work on starting the game before they are down a bunch of goals. LA games will be crucial just so LA doesn't even make the playoffs!

It's OK brother, eat some oranges.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Urban myth...

I know this won't be a popular post but I will say it anyways.

The two things that Canucks have needed over the last few years are secondary scoring and toughness. Tanev brings neither of those two things. We already have a no grit D with Edler and Hamhuis that provide little toughness and lack of scoring. Now we are looking to add a third man like that at a high salary.

We proved a player can walk in and fill those same type minutes a lot cheaper.

Tanev seldom gets caught out of position and is a decent passer but not a point producer. His career high hits is 25.

I will be very curious as to whether Benning looks at it like this or not.

I think Tanev can also be included as injury prone.
- VANTEL

sooo, Tanev+ Lack+ Jensen+ for Burns out of San Jose? he's 3rd in pts for Dmen and is also quite Physical

This is simply a case of fans undervaluing an asset that they take for granted. It's way easier to find a physical d-man who's not as effective defensively as Tanev than it is to find a d-man as effective as Tanev(especially a righty).


Bieksa, Clendening, Corrado down the right side...every top line forward in our division just whipped it out Joe Thornton style after seeing that depth chart.


The Canucks d-group and had been horrible lately, even with Edler back.
- Nucker101

Yup, wouldn't be surprised if Tanev being back helps the D get it's poop together but I doubt anything he does will help Sbisa.

Okay lets take this back a step, I am suggesting him as a comparable player to present a realistic range of salary.

They both have scored around the same pace in their careers, .20 vs .24.
They both are 2nd on their team in terms of QoC this year.
Scandella has averaged 1 min more a game this year.
Tanev is a better possession player by both fancy (Corsi/SAT ) and +/-
Scandella hits and shoots more. (This seems to be your reasoning why he is better)

They are comparable......
- belcherbd

I agree they are comparable, but only to see that Tanev isn't' as good IMHO
That isn't my only reasoning... He also scores more and is more durable. He is also physical enough to withstand the playoffs... I would be surprised if Tanev survived 2 playoff rounds without injury.

sooo, Tanev+ Lack+ Jensen+ for Burns out of San Jose? he's 3rd in pts for Dmen and is also quite Physical
- GloveHandStrong

and got beat by BO the other night

I know this won't be a popular post but I will say it anyways.

The two things that Canucks have needed over the last few years are secondary scoring and toughness. Tanev brings neither of those two things. We already have a no grit D with Edler and Hamhuis that provide little toughness and lack of scoring. Now we are looking to add a third man like that at a high salary.

We proved a player can walk in and fill those same type minutes a lot cheaper.

Tanev seldom gets caught out of position and is a decent passer but not a point producer. His career high hits is 25.

I will be very curious as to whether Benning looks at it like this or not.

I think Tanev can also be included as injury prone.
- VANTEL

Have to say I agree with all that.

Yup, wouldn't be surprised if Tanev being back helps the D get it's poop together but I doubt anything he does will help Sbisa.
- belcherbd

I hope Sbisa's gone next year. You can't teach hockey sense and he makes Bieksa look like Lidstrom.

I agree that the team needs grit in the back end ( sounds so dirty) but you can find physical dman who can play in the 4/5/6 spot for less salary. It is really hard to find someone who limits the offense of the other team as effectively as Tanev.

Scoring from the back end also needs to be addressed and this year has been especially bad for the nucks. Edler/Bieksa/Hamhuis have all regressed offensively.
- belcherbd

I am not slamming Tanev , but cAnucks as a group keep sending out the same type Dman

A good Dcore needs a defensive type guy , a puck mover point producer, a guy with the big hit, a fighter and a smart type Dman like Tanev to eat minutes.

We have three Tanevs back there with Edler and Hamhuis being thT type Dman. We need variety so we have that Dman to handle all situations

has anybody ever had a "Dougie dog"? it's a hot dog truck in Vancouver

I hope Sbisa's gone next year. You can't teach hockey sense and he makes Bieksa look like Lidstrom.
- Nucker101

If he came back at 1 million and was 5/6 I would okay with it but his qualifier has to be 3+ I think. I really hope Benning doesn't try to salvage the Kesler deal by resigning him. I do like his physicality and he does skate well but he is a mess with his decisions.

If he came back at 1 million and was 5/6 I would okay with it but his qualifier has to be 3+ I think. I really hope Benning doesn't try to salvage the Kesler deal by resigning him. I do like his physicality and he does skate well but he is a mess with his decisions.
- belcherbd

I'd only take him back at 1M max and tell him he'll be the 6/7 guy and only if he wins the training camp competition.

I hope Sbisa's gone next year. You can't teach hockey sense and he makes Bieksa look like Lidstrom.
- Nucker101

He's been very good of late