Good lord, are we really having this discussion again?

This is top 10 hitters for dman, how many do you consider top pairing guys?
Orpick
Polak
Despres
Byfuglien
Schenn
Girardi
Harmonic
Greene
Franson
Regehr

I count 2. If you want to go top 20 or 30 it gets even more ugly, hitting is overrated when it comes to rating dman. It is important to have but not necessarily from your top pairing.
- belcherbd

Those Dman get paid more money because the are physical... that is the Argument, about how much tanev should get paid... if those Dmen weren't physical with the same skill they would get paid much less. They all also make Tanev look like a 10 yr old.

Scandella is not an OFD...... look at the other stats.... which Scandella beats Tanev in all and he has to play behind Suter. So he isn't even getting the ice time Tanev is getting. He basically plays a wille mitchel type game. Something Tanev can't do.
- SMP8719

Yes let's look at who the are playing against. Tanev always plays against the number one line. How about Scandella?

Good lord, are we really having this discussion again?
- bezz44

Apparently.

Tanev sucks because he doesn't hit.

Yes let's look at who the are playing against. Tanev always plays against the number one line. How about Scandella?
- Bieksa#3

Same he plays in mostly shut down roles, I haven't check advanced stats... ask nucker

Apparently.

Tanev sucks because he doesn't hit.
- Bieksa#3

No one said that. But people are comparing Physical def to Tanev as far as Salary.

I don't think anyone on here ever complains that Dan Hamhuis isn't worth his salary, yet over his career he averages about 25 points/ 82 game season, and is more valued for his steady, intelligent defensive game. Chris Tanev has scored at a pace that would put him at around 25 points / 82 game season this year, and has played a steady, intelligent defensive game. While I concede that Hammer is a far better physical player (even though we rarely see that side of his game) one could argue that Tanev is the better shot blocker

McCann out rest of year ?

Scandella is not an OFD...... look at the other stats.... which Scandella beats Tanev in all and he has to play behind Suter. So he isn't even getting the ice time Tanev is getting. He basically plays a wille mitchel type game. Something Tanev can't do.
- SMP8719

Which stats are you talking about? He also has averaged a min more ice time a game this year than Tanev?

You said first he scores more and that it wasn't even close, but they are near identical, I agree he hits more. He does shoot more than Tanev but Tanev crushes him in +/- in their careers.

I don't know how you can argue so hard that they are not in the same tier of players.

McCann out rest of year ?
- Redmile247

Thought it was 1-2 weeks with broken finger

I don't think anyone on here ever complains that Dan Hamhuis isn't worth his salary, yet over his career he averages about 25 points/ 82 game season, and is more valued for his steady, intelligent defensive game. Chris Tanev has scored at a pace that would put him at around 25 points / 82 game season this year, and has played a steady, intelligent defensive game. While I concede that Hammer is a far better physical player (even though we rarely see that side of his game) one could argue that Tanev is the better shot blocker
- bezz44

Care to look at Tanevs average. Since we can't go by seasonal numbers because he is too fragile to put together a full campaign.

Tanev has never hit 20 points. His best PPG number is this year. Hamhuis has more points in every season he has played then Tanev has every gotten. They are not even close. When He signed here he had already played 5 FULL seasons with a minimum of 0.25 points per game and a max of 0.45 ish points per game. If you are comparing those too you really should look at the numbers. Tanev is worth half of Hamhuis's Value if you compared at the same age. With higher salaries now that is in the 3-3.5 range. Plus hamhuis is way more physical and Durable.

Thought it was 1-2 weeks with broken finger
- pker2theend

Seen on Twitter could be broken hand ...1-2 weeks for any break seems a bit low doesn't it ?

Which stats are you talking about? He also has averaged a min more ice time a game this year than Tanev?

You said first he scores more and that it wasn't even close, but they are near identical, I agree he hits more. He does shoot more than Tanev but Tanev crushes him in +/- in their careers.

I don't know how you can argue so hard that they are not in the same tier of players.
- belcherbd

I said he does everything better. And he gets no PP time and is a def defenseman yet he scores more, is more physical and plays against top competition (as far as I have heard as I haven't checked that stat) I think most GMS would rather have Scandella then Tanev.

Seen on Twitter could be broken hand ...1-2 weeks for any break seems a bit low doesn't it ?
- Redmile247

If it is displaced it is much longer... take B. Connolly as an example

Care to look at Tanevs average. Since we can't go by seasonal numbers because he is too fragile to put together a full campaign.

Tanev has never hit 20 points. His best PPG number is this year. Hamhuis has more points in every season he has played then Tanev has every gotten. They are not even close. When He signed here he has already played 5 FULL seasons with a minimum of 0.25 points per game and a max of 0.45 ish points per game. If you are comparing those too you really should look at the numbers. Tanev is worth half of Hamhuis's Value if you compared at the same age. With higher salaries now that is in the 3-3.5 range. Plus hamhuis is way more physical and Durable.
- SMP8719

I have looked at both numbers, and this is only his third season with the club full time. His first full time season he scored at a .18 PPG, second season at .26 PPG, third season at .28 PPG. He is only 25. If you look at Hamhuis' numbers, he has had two anomalous seasons where he scored significantly more than his typical yearly numbers. Outside of those two seasons, he is a 23-27 point defenseman, or a .28-.32 PPG d-man, which is equal or slightly better than Tanev's season thus far. I don't think he is "way more physical" as he rarely ever hits, despite his ability to do so. Not only that, but you pulled out an absolutely arbitrary number in Hamhuis being worth twice as much as Tanev. Tanev is a better shot blocker which you ignored, and a three season sample size is not a whole lot to say that Tanev is fragile, though I will concede the point that Hamhuis is more durable. If Dan Hamhuis at 25 signs a contract in today's cap world I say he easily gets 6 million. If you think that Tanev isn't worth signing at 4 then I don't know what to say, and frankly I am getting pretty tired of seeing this discussion on here, so it will hopefully be the last thing I have to say on the matter. We will wait and see what he gets. He doesn't necessarily get 4+ but considering people on here are willing to sign Shawn Matthias at 3.5mil I think it is insanity to suggest Tanev isn't worth that kind of money

Especially if combined with ether & mushrooms.
- Marwood

I'll never do that again...

I said he does everything better. And he gets no PP time and is a def defenseman yet he scores more, is more physical and plays against top competition (as far as I have heard as I haven't checked that stat) I think most GMS would rather have Scandella then Tanev.
- SMP8719

Okay lets take this back a step, I am suggesting him as a comparable player to present a realistic range of salary.

They both have scored around the same pace in their careers, .20 vs .24.
They both are 2nd on their team in terms of QoC this year.
Scandella has averaged 1 min more a game this year.
Tanev is a better possession player by both fancy (Corsi/SAT ) and +/-
Scandella hits and shoots more. (This seems to be your reasoning why he is better)

They are comparable......

I'll never do that again...
- vancity787

It's OK brother, eat some oranges.

I was briefly listening to 1040 and they were discussing Tanev's low point totals.

I hope he is somewhere around 4mil or a little less. You never know.

Is next year his last year of rfa or does he have another? Thinking a 1 year contract isn't out of the question if he is still rfa after next.
- hillbillydeluxe

I know this won't be a popular post but I will say it anyways.

The two things that Canucks have needed over the last few years are secondary scoring and toughness. Tanev brings neither of those two things. We already have a no grit D with Edler and Hamhuis that provide little toughness and lack of scoring. Now we are looking to add a third man like that at a high salary.

We proved a player can walk in and fill those same type minutes a lot cheaper.

Tanev seldom gets caught out of position and is a decent passer but not a point producer. His career high hits is 25.

I will be very curious as to whether Benning looks at it like this or not.

I think Tanev can also be included as injury prone.

Tanev only has 40 shots and 20 hits on the yr. The only stat besides time on ice that he is good in is Blocked Shots. Would you pay more then 4 million for a D-man that blocks shots and has a decent first pass?
- SMP8719

This

I know this won't be a popular post but I will say it anyways.

The two things that Canucks have needed over the last few years are secondary scoring and toughness. Tanev brings neither of those two things. We already have a no grit D with Edler and Hamhuis that provide little toughness and lack of scoring. Now we are looking to add a third man like that at a high salary.

We proved a player can walk in and fill those same type minutes a lot cheaper.

Tanev seldom gets caught out of position and is a decent passer but not a point producer. His career high hits is 25.

I will be very curious as to whether Benning looks at it like this or not.

I think Tanev can also be included as injury prone.
- VANTEL

So take what we can get from an offer sheet if it's reasonable and try and sign boychuk or mcquaid?

Same he plays in mostly shut down roles, I haven't check advanced stats... ask nucker
- SMP8719

Didn't somebody say he plays behind the #1 pair?

I mean it's one or the other. Not what convenient

Tanevs best comparable is Boumeester. Said this over and over again

Apparently.

Tanev sucks because he doesn't hit.
- Bieksa#3

You said it yourself a few days ago. Tanev is not worth 4 mil. He is a 3.5 mil at best

This
- VANTEL

So Sbisa>Tanev?

Are hits and blocks just as valuable as stopping goals? That's kind of the main purpose of a defenseman in hockey.

I said he does everything better. And he gets no PP time and is a def defenseman yet he scores more, is more physical and plays against top competition (as far as I have heard as I haven't checked that stat) I think most GMS would rather have Scandella then Tanev.
- SMP8719

Who does suter play against
You said yourself scandwlla plays behind suter