I don't understand the 'trade Hamhuis now!!' sentiment on here.
Who said Tanev is getting $5 miill?
- Marwood

I bet he gets north or 4

I don't understand the 'trade Hamhuis now!!' sentiment on here.
Who said Tanev is getting $5 miill?
- Marwood

I am not saying he will, but I imagine as a part of negotiations he would open somewhere at $5-5.5 and work his way down. Even if Tanev and Fowler were even money across the board, I'm curious to see who people are higher considering they play different styles

I know it isn't Tuesday, but I'm curious to know peoples thoughts on value comparison of Tanev at $5+ mill vs Cam Fowler at $4 mill. Even assuming they bring back Beauchemin, they still lack defensive minded players, does Wiz, Lindholm, Vatanen, Depres, Theodore make Fowler (or one of the mentioned) expendable?
- WhiteLie

I'm not sure where you get the 5+ for Tanev? I think his comparables are Scandella (4), Brodin (4.16), Hjalrmanson(4.1)

I'm not sure where you get the 5+ for Tanev? I think his comparables are Scandella (4), Brodin (4.16), Hjalrmanson(4.1)
- belcherbd

Brodin is the only guy of that bunch as good as tanev. And they didn't buy any ufa yrs

I'm not sure where you get the 5+ for Tanev? I think his comparables are Scandella (4), Brodin (4.16), Hjalrmanson(4.1)
- belcherbd

He will be paid more than them all, salaries are increasing. Subban is fairly equivalent to Karlson but the timing was different when they signed their contracts and now look at the difference in cap hits

Who was your pick up ?
- VANTEL

polak

I'm not sure where you get the 5+ for Tanev? I think his comparables are Scandella (4), Brodin (4.16), Hjalrmanson(4.1)
- belcherbd

I was briefly listening to 1040 and they were discussing Tanev's low point totals.

I hope he is somewhere around 4mil or a little less. You never know.

Is next year his last year of rfa or does he have another? Thinking a 1 year contract isn't out of the question if he is still rfa after next.

I am not saying he will, but I imagine as a part of negotiations he would open somewhere at $5-5.5 and work his way down. Even if Tanev and Fowler were even money across the board, I'm curious to see who people are higher considering they play different styles
- WhiteLie

Fowler is way better then Tanev.... He plays more min... is younger and puts up way more points. If you were comparing the two, Tanev should get at most 75% of his Salary. He is like a Fowler with Less size and no offense.

Brodin is the only guy of that bunch as good as tanev. And they didn't buy any ufa yrs
- Bieksa#3

With Scandella they did buy UFA year and Hjalmarnsson was offer sheeted. Hjalmarnsson is very similar to Tanev in terms of playing style and skill level IMO. Scandella less but is still a jack of all trades type that Tanev fits.

Brodin is the only guy of that bunch as good as tanev. And they didn't buy any ufa yrs
- Bieksa#3

Scandella is better too... more physical with more offense.

He will be paid more than them all, salaries are increasing. Subban is fairly equivalent to Karlson but the timing was different when they signed their contracts and now look at the difference in cap hits
- WhiteLie

Salary cap is also stagnant so I'm not sure the salary will increase that much, both Scandella and Brodin were signed last year so if there is a difference it won't be huge.

Karlsson and Subban are so different because MTL Richarded around with Subban and gambled that he would not repeat his performance, Ott paid Karlsson immediately and were able to bring the price down.

Fowler is way better then Tanev.... He plays more min... is younger and puts up way more points. If you were comparing the two, Tanev should get at most 75% of his Salary. He is like a Fowler with Less size and no offense.
- SMP8719

Yeah I knew offensively Fowler has him beat, I just haven't watched him enough to know how good/bad he is defensively (or in comparison to Tanev). I will say, despite his lack of scoring, Tanev still is an underrated puck moving defenseman

Tanev only has 40 shots and 20 hits on the yr. The only stat besides time on ice that he is good in is Blocked Shots. Would you pay more then 4 million for a D-man that blocks shots and has a decent first pass?

Scandella is better too... more physical with more offense.
- SMP8719

Not hard to be more physical than Tanev, but I would still rate them in the same tier of dman.

Salary cap is also stagnant so I'm not sure the salary will increase that much, both Scandella and Brodin were signed last year so if there is a difference it won't be huge.

Karlsson and Subban are so different because MTL Richarded around with Subban and gambled that he would not repeat his performance, Ott paid Karlsson immediately and were able to bring the price down.
- belcherbd

I agree on those points, particularly MTL/OTT. I think despite the cap staying the same, Tanev will still make more than your comparison by .5mill. I threw out $5+ mill to ensure I was talking a salary that no one would want to see the nucks pay him and start looking at replacement players

Yeah I knew offensively Fowler has him beat, I just haven't watched him enough to know how good/bad he is defensively (or in comparison to Tanev). I will say, despite his lack of scoring, Tanev still is an underrated puck moving defenseman
- WhiteLie

Fowler plays in all situations and is 2 yrs younger then Tanev. They started the same year in the NHL. Tanev's highest point total was 17 points, he hasn't played more then 64 games in a season. Fowler hasn't had less then 11 points on a season and that was the lockout yr where he only played 37 games.

Edit ... Fowler has also scored close to 30 points a year with his high at 40 points. and size wise is 6'-1" 211 pounds.

Not hard to be more physical than Tanev, but I would still rate them in the same tier of dman.
- belcherbd

Look at the numbers.... no comparison.

Tanev only has 40 shots and 20 hits on the yr. The only stat besides time on ice that he is good in is Blocked Shots. Would you pay more then 4 million for a D-man that blocks shots and has a decent first pass?
- SMP8719

Shots and hits are not a very good indicator of a good defense man otherwise SOB would still be here. Tanev plays effectively on the top pairing I don't see how that isn't worth 4 million.

Tanev only has 40 shots and 20 hits on the yr. The only stat besides time on ice that he is good in is Blocked Shots. Would you pay more then 4 million for a D-man that blocks shots and has a decent first pass?
- SMP8719

What about goals against rates per 60 mins played and level of competition he faces? He's near-elite in that category.

Shots and hits are not a very good indicator of a good defense man otherwise SOB would still be here. Tanev plays effectively on the top pairing I don't see how that isn't worth 4 million.
- belcherbd

Physicality and scoring are two of the main def traits Gms look for... Moving the puck and being good def with the puck and positioning is what Tanev does and his potential is pretty much maxed.

I also wouldn't want a long term contract due to health issues for a small player that I believe I heard a stat where he is the most hit defenseman in the league? And he hasn't even played a full season yet people want to talk 5 mill.... I think the conversation should start at 3 with 4 being the max. Although I wouldn't be too surprised to see 4.5 even if I think that is too high. The most games he has played in a season is 64.... and people say 5 million

Look at the numbers.... no comparison.
- SMP8719

Tanev 209 GP .20 ppg
Scandella 218 GP .24 ppg

take another look

Shots and hits are not a very good indicator of a good defense man otherwise SOB would still be here. Tanev plays effectively on the top pairing I don't see how that isn't worth 4 million.
- belcherbd

It shows that he is non existant in those area's. Which are valued traits....

Tanev 209 GP .20 ppg
Scandella 218 GP .24 ppg

take another look
- belcherbd

Scandella is not an OFD...... look at the other stats.... which Scandella beats Tanev in all and he has to play behind Suter. So he isn't even getting the ice time Tanev is getting. He basically plays a wille mitchel type game. Something Tanev can't do.

Physicality and scoring are two of the main def traits Gms look for... Moving the puck and being good def with the puck and positioning is what Tanev does and his potential is pretty much maxed.

I also wouldn't want a long term contract due to health issues for a small player that I believe I heard a stat where he is the most hit defenseman in the league? And he hasn't even played a full season yet people want to talk 5 mill.... I think the conversation should start at 3 with 4 being the max. Although I wouldn't be too surprised to see 4.5 even if I think that is too high.
- SMP8719

I think I've heard the same stat, he plays tough thats for sure.

Salary-wise I think his side opens with $5-5.5 while Van opens with $3.5, settle somewhere around $4.5

Physicality and scoring are two of the main def traits Gms look for... Moving the puck and being good def with the puck and positioning is what Tanev does and his potential is pretty much maxed.

I also wouldn't want a long term contract due to health issues for a small player that I believe I heard a stat where he is the most hit defenseman in the league? And he hasn't even played a full season yet people want to talk 5 mill.... I think the conversation should start at 3 with 4 being the max. Although I wouldn't be too surprised to see 4.5 even if I think that is too high.
- SMP8719

This is top 10 hitters for dman, how many do you consider top pairing guys?
Orpick
Polak
Despres
Byfuglien
Schenn
Girardi
Harmonic
Greene
Franson
Regehr

I count 2. If you want to go top 20 or 30 it gets even more ugly, hitting is overrated when it comes to rating dman. It is important to have but not necessarily from your top pairing.