love getting into the 3 hole
- Zezel

at my age any hole will do

love getting into the 3 hole
- Zezel

Don't think that we'll drop that far down, but do see us getting into the 4 or 5 hole. If we could get to 4, it would guarantee a top 5 pick. It seems to be the sweetspot, in the draft.

Don't think that we'll drop that far down, but do see us getting into the 4 or 5 hole. If we could get to 4, it would guarantee a top 5 pick. It seems to be the sweetspot, in the draft.
- PrinceLH

Marner won't be NHL ready next year, this is gonna take at least 3 years of losing and bottoming out losing

at my age any hole will do
- shmenge

lol

really, at any age any hole will do

that's all life is, just trying to put stuff in holes, until eventually they put your whole body in a hole

Don't think that we'll drop that far down, but do see us getting into the 4 or 5 hole. If we could get to 4, it would guarantee a top 5 pick. It seems to be the sweetspot, in the draft.
- PrinceLH

The Leafs are tanking tantalizingly well, I never thought they could fall this far and now that top 5 is looking very realistic.

Marner won't be NHL ready next year, this is gonna take at least 3 years of losing and bottoming out losing
- shmenge

The whole idea about drafting and developing, is bringing one elite piece forward, each year. Even if we draft a Strome, or Marner, the earliest that we'd see them, was 2016. Next year, if we're lucky, we'll see Nylander. As a team, we have to draft well now and look back one year, in hopes of interjecting a key player from the previous draft. On 2016/2017, we may see the makings of our first line, if we draft a centre, this year.

Marner won't be NHL ready next year, this is gonna take at least 3 years of losing and bottoming out losing
- shmenge

Yup, look forward to Jakob Chychrun, Adam Mascherin, Travis Barron, Tyler Benson, Sean Day, Sam Steel and Matthew Tkachuk.

The whole idea about drafting and developing, is bringing one elite piece forward, each year. Even if we draft a Strome, or Marner, the earliest that we'd see them, was 2016. Next year, if we're lucky, we'll see Nylander. As a team, we have to draft well now and look back one year, in hopes of interjecting a key player from the previous draft. On 2016/2017, we may see the makings of our first line, if we draft a centre, this year.
- PrinceLH

If they could get an NHL player out of that Arizona first pick, that'd be real huge. I really hope some part of the new management staff has some luck getting a few NHLers out of later round picks too....

...also of course will they get more picks at the draft for some of their core...

The Leafs are tanking tantalizingly well, I never thought they could fall this far and now that top 5 is looking very realistic.
- Zezel

Each loss, coming off the games remaining, makes it a more feasible possibility. We'll have a better understanding of where we will draft, a week from today. Once Carolina and Columbus play their back to back series, as well as their games vs the Oilers, we'll know. Best case scenario, is seeing some 3 point games happening between those 3 teams. We also need to see the Oilers overtake the Coyotes, to place the Oilers in a position to draft Noah Hanifan for their back end, thereby leaving the field open for Marner and Strome.

That's not how it works though. He produces like a second line centre as a first line 20 minute a night offensive zone starting and prime PP playing centre. If a hypothetical first line centre were to play in front of him and he loses all of that, the logical conclusion is that he wouldn't produce like a second line centre.

Also he's one of the worst defensive players in the league when you look at advanced stats...so...?
- AdamFrench

Here's the thing. I watch the actual games. Many of bozaks points involve him picking off passes in his own end and driving the play forward. He has some beauty short handed highlights. U call him on his prime PPtime but ignore his pk time and ability. I watch the games. Bozak will thrive on his next team. Unless it's a crap tea like edm.

Your advanced stats deceive you if you don't consider them all together. Ironicall Corsi/fen wick actual have nothing to do with possession but are widely accepted as possession stats for some reason. Firing pucks needlessly towards the net results inhigh Corsi. Actually holding onto the puck and looking for a good play is about possession. This paragraph. Is not about bozak. Just the misconceptions of adv stats ingeneral.

Here's the thing. I watch the actual games. Many of bozaks points involve him picking off passes in his own end and driving the play forward. He has some beauty short handed highlights. U call him on his prime PPtime but ignore his pk time and ability. I watch the games. Bozak will thrive on his next team. Unless it's a crap tea like edm.

Your advanced stats deceive you if you don't consider them all together. Ironicall Corsi/fen wick actual have nothing to do with possession but are widely accepted as possession stats for some reason. Firing pucks needlessly towards the net results inhigh Corsi. Actually holding onto the puck and looking for a good play is about possession. This paragraph. Is not about bozak. Just the misconceptions of adv stats ingeneral.
- Allan Bester

I don't watch the games. Never even watched one to be honest.

Each loss, coming off the games remaining, makes it a more feasible possibility. We'll have a better understanding of where we will draft, a week from today. Once Carolina and Columbus play their back to back series, as well as their games vs the Oilers, we'll know. Best case scenario, is seeing some 3 point games happening between those 3 teams. We also need to see the Oilers overtake the Coyotes, to place the Oilers in a position to draft Noah Hanifan for their back end, thereby leaving the field open for Marner and Strome.
- PrinceLH

Thank Christ they've been this bad, so there's no doubt. Teams in the playoff race are going to run over this dispirited group at this point. I don't see any kind of last gasp run by this team.

Here's the thing. I watch the actual games. Many of bozaks points involve him picking off passes in his own end and driving the play forward. He has some beauty short handed highlights. U call him on his prime PPtime but ignore his pk time and ability. I watch the games. Bozak will thrive on his next team. Unless it's a crap tea like edm.

Your advanced stats deceive you if you don't consider them all together. Ironicall Corsi/fen wick actual have nothing to do with possession but are widely accepted as possession stats for some reason. Firing pucks needlessly towards the net results inhigh Corsi. Actually holding onto the puck and looking for a good play is about possession. This paragraph. Is not about bozak. Just the misconceptions of adv stats ingeneral.
- Allan Bester

Corsi and Fenwick are proxies for possession, i.e. you have to have the puck in order to get shot attempts. And get it back for more shot attempts.

Yup, look forward to Jakob Chychrun, Adam Mascherin, Travis Barron, Tyler Benson, Sean Day, Sam Steel and Matthew Tkachuk.
- JohnFergusonJr

...and Auston Matthews (the next one) apparently. It's all good, but I can't help but wonder how the fanbase will react when we become the Oilers

Thank Christ they've been this bad, so there's no doubt. Teams in the playoff race are going to run over this dispirited group at this point. I don't see any kind of last gasp run by this team.
- Zezel

Our big issue is having 2 games with the Sabres and 3 with the Sens. We also have the Oilers and Jackets on the schedule the rest of the way. If we can get that Islanders game in the books as a loss, we'll be looking good for a bit. We probably beat the Sabres, on Wednesday, but then the western road trip to Calgary, Vancouver and Edmonton. So a Friday, Saturday, Monday road trip. That 3rd game in 4 nights in Edmonton, could allow for a 3 game sweep against us and we'll be down to 11 games to play. One week from now, it should look clear.

Our big issue is having 2 games with the Sabres and 3 with the Sens. We also have the Oilers and Jackets on the schedule the rest of the way. If we can get that Islanders game in the books as a loss, we'll be looking good for a bit. We probably beat the Sabres, on Wednesday, but then the western road trip to Calgary, Vancouver and Edmonton. So a Friday, Saturday, Monday road trip. That 3rd game in 4 nights in Edmonton, could allow for a 3 game sweep against us and we'll be down to 11 games to play. One week from now, it should look clear.
- PrinceLH

Yeah, good call. I have faith the Sens can beat us, hopefully Calgary and Vancouver are highly motivated, and then Leafs vs. Oil or Sabres is a coin flip of suckage at this point.

Here's the thing. I watch the actual games. Many of bozaks points involve him picking off passes in his own end and driving the play forward. He has some beauty short handed highlights. U call him on his prime PPtime but ignore his pk time and ability. I watch the games. Bozak will thrive on his next team. Unless it's a crap tea like edm.

Your advanced stats deceive you if you don't consider them all together. Ironicall Corsi/fen wick actual have nothing to do with possession but are widely accepted as possession stats for some reason. Firing pucks needlessly towards the net results inhigh Corsi. Actually holding onto the puck and looking for a good play is about possession. This paragraph. Is not about bozak. Just the misconceptions of adv stats ingeneral.
- Allan Bester

Here's the thing, Bozak gets more opportunities for takeaways because the other team always has the puck when he's on the ice.

Bozak would be a nice third line centre on a good team... PK, face-offs, and he could easily play a better d game IMO, but that whole line is useless defensively...

Bozak would be a nice third line centre on a good team... PK, face-offs, and he could easily play a better d game IMO, but that whole line is useless defensively...
- aminnes

which again begs the question, why did some f'n moron sign him to a long-term contract?

Bozak would be a nice third line centre on a good team... PK, face-offs, and he could easily play a better d game IMO, but that whole line is useless defensively...
- aminnes

He was the top penalty killer on the worst penalty kill in the league. It was pretty sweet.

He's averaging 41 seconds on the PK this season...

Bozak would be a nice third line centre on a good team... PK, face-offs, and he could easily play a better d game IMO, but that whole line is useless defensively...
- aminnes

Bozak isn't good on the PK and I doubt he'd ever be able to play a sound defensive game. Without top minutes with Kessel his offense will all but dry up too. He has no place on a winning roster. Not good enough for a top 6 role and not the right kind of player for a bottom 6.

Yeah, good call. I have faith the Sens can beat us, hopefully Calgary and Vancouver are highly motivated, and then Leafs vs. Oil or Sabres is a coin flip of suckage at this point.
- Zezel

Two of the 3 against the Sens are at home. I suppose Reimer will play and he always does a number on the Sens. Of course, being their rivals, we'll be up for those games. I hope like hell that the Sens get their win at home, so we can split the Toronto games. If we can split the Sabres, lose 2 out of 3 with the Sens, 4th is doable. Unless, of course, that Columbus sweeps the Hurricanes, that could be in jeopardy. Of course, the Canes get the Oilers twice, as well.

which again begs the question, why did some f'n moron sign him to a long-term contract?
- shmenge

The Leafs... Gardner, Dion, Bozak, soon to be Bernier, and it keeps going...

Bozak isn't good on the PK and I doubt he'd ever be able to play a sound defensive game. Without top minutes with Kessel his offense will all but dry up too. He has no place on a winning roster. Not good enough for a top 6 role and not the right kind of player for a bottom 6.
- daeth

Okay you win... Another albatross... The club will surely overvalue what they can get, or won;t want to have to face the media/fans with the reality of what these players are actually worth in trade... You never really know what people are willing to pay for something until you lay it out on your front lawn and put a sign up... My guess, is no one wants him, no one wants any of these bums...

...and Auston Matthews (the next one) apparently. It's all good, but I can't help but wonder how the fanbase will react when we become the Oilers
- shmenge

Michael McLeod, Brandon Saigeon, Logan Brown and Will Bitten.