I noticed you guys were talking about Tanev, so I decided to add my two cents.

I know people look to stats to gauge players, but I think that would be detrimental when analyzing Tanev. If you're basing his value solely on his box scores, you are going to severely undervalue the guy. He's such a productive player when you consider his role on this team, and is worth the 4 million.

Burke is right when he says that hockey is played in 3 zones. Tanev is one of the best in the neutral and defensive zones of the ice. Dan Hamhuis, who is more physical than Tanev, had 20 points in his 25 Y/O season, and I think he is the strongest comp to Tanev. Tanev was on pace to score 23 points this season. Hamhuis was paid 2 million that year; however, two years later, he signed a contract with Vancouver that carried a AAV of 4.5.

Out of necessity, we're going to have to pay Tanev for his UFA years. A strong case can be made, that he is worth more than what we paid Hamhuis based on the inflation of contract values we've seen since Hamhuis signed his contract with Vancouver.

We should see him sign for anywhere between 4 and 5 million. If it's lower than that, Benning is a GAWD.

I noticed you guys were talking about Tanev, so I decided to add my two cents.

I know people look to stats to gauge players, but I think that would be detrimental when analyzing Tanev. If you're basing his value solely on his box scores, you are going to severely undervalue the guy. He's such a productive player when you consider his role on this team, and is worth the 4 million.

Burke is right when he says that hockey is played in 3 zones. Tanev is one of the best in the neutral and defensive zones of the ice. Dan Hamhuis, who is more physical than Tanev, had 20 points in his 25 Y/O season, and I think he is the strongest comp to Tanev. Tanev was on pace to score 23 points this season. Hamhuis was paid 2 million that year; however, two years later, he signed a contract with Vancouver that carried a AAV of 4.5.

Out of necessity, we're going to have to pay Tanev for his UFA years. A strong case can be made, that he is worth more than what we paid Hamhuis based on the inflation of contract values we've seen since Hamhuis signed his contract with Vancouver.

We should see him sign for anywhere between 4 and 5 million. If it's lower than that, Benning is a GAWD.
- Gullzy

Why does he deserve 4 mil ?

My mother loves it aswell. It must be PG50
- vancity787

Why does he deserve 4 mil ?
- VANTEL

His defensive play is comparable to Dan Hamuis'. The going rate for Dan Hamhuis at 25 Y/O was 2 million, but he signed that contract at 23 Y/O. If the Canucks had signed Tanev to a 4 year contract last year, we wouldn't be discussing this. At 27 Hammer signed his contract with Vancouver with a AAV of 4.5. And since we are buying Tanev's UFA years, expect to pay the going rate for them. You might even see a structured deal where he makes 3.5 - 3.5 - 4 - 4.5 - 5; That would bring his AAV to (4.1). If you don't think he's worth that much money, you're just kidding yourself. History has indicated that he is worth that much.

edit: math was wrong - AAV would be 4.1.

His defensive play is comparable to Dan Hamuis'. The going rate for Dan Hamhuis at 25 Y/O was 2 million, but he signed that contract at 23 Y/O. If the Canucks had signed Tanev to a 4 year contract last year, we wouldn't be discussing this. At 27 Hammer signed his contract with Vancouver with a AAV of 4.5. And since we are buying Tanev's UFA years, expect to pay the going rate for them. You might even see a structured deal where he makes 3.5 - 3.5 - 4 - 4.5 - 5; That would bring his AAV to (4.1). If you don't think he's worth that much money, you're just kidding yourself. History has indicated that he is worth that much.

edit: math was wrong - AAV would be 4.1.
- Gullzy

I've always what the hell that girl is wearing in your display picture

I've always what the hell that girl is wearing in your display picture
- pker2theend

A thong.

https://www.google.ca/sea...ASt24HIDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

Tanev is younger than Biega, for what it's worth.

Tanev is remarkably effective at hockey. He's not great offensively, he's not not intimidating, but he's got a calm presence, he's a very strong skater and he's a strong contributor to the Sedin's possession game.

Assuming that we are still in the Sedin era (and we clearly are), support players like Edler, Tanev and Burrows need to be retained.
- micah555

What is better? hits or blocks? I feel blocks are much more important in preventing a quality scoring chance. Well, to that end, guess what, Tanev has 136 blocks (Top 15). Not too shabby defense

What is better? hits or blocks? I feel blocks are much more important in preventing a quality scoring chance. Well, to that end, guess what, Tanev has 136 blocks (Top 15). Not too shabby defense
- Zogg

You can chalk a lot of that up to the system we play. When the puck is above the hashmarks, our defence collapse towards the goalie and flank him. It's like having 3 goalies basically. His real value lies in what happens when he activates from that position. His puck retrieval skills are above average, and he can move the puck away from the dangerous areas of the ice without hesitation. Only Hammer, and to an extent Edler, can do that on our current roster. Watch guys like Stanton, Bieksa, Clendenning and you notice that they hesitate before they make that play. To me that indicates that they take that extra millisecond to make the right play. In a game as fast as hockey, that's what makes the difference between a below average and above average defensive defender.

My bad if this is becoming to "analyzie" for you guys. I think Tanev is a top-3 guy right now. And I don't want to just say that without giving my reasons why.

The blocks are VERY important. That being said, his game is at its best when he's activating away from the areas on the ice that he accumulates them.

You can chalk a lot of that up to the system we play. When the puck is above the hashmarks, our defence collapse towards the goalie and flank him. It's like having 3 goalies basically. His real value lies in what happens when he activates from that position. His puck retrieval skills are above average, and he can move the puck away from the dangerous areas of the ice without hesitation. Only Hammer, and to an extent Edler, can do that on our current roster. Watch guys like Stanton, Bieksa, Clendenning and you notice that they hesitate before they make that play. To me that indicates that they take that extra millisecond to make the right play. In a game as fast as hockey, that's what makes the difference between a below average and above average defensive defender.

My bad if this is becoming to "analyzie" for you guys. I think Tanev is a top-3 guy right now. And I don't want to just say that without giving my reasons why.

The blocks are VERY important. That being said, his game is at its best when he's activating away from the areas on the ice that he is accumulates them.
- Gullzy

Well said and expanded upon the defensive dynamics, Gullzy

His defensive play is comparable to Dan Hamuis'. The going rate for Dan Hamhuis at 25 Y/O was 2 million, but he signed that contract at 23 Y/O. If the Canucks had signed Tanev to a 4 year contract last year, we wouldn't be discussing this. At 27 Hammer signed his contract with Vancouver with a AAV of 4.5. And since we are buying Tanev's UFA years, expect to pay the going rate for them. You might even see a structured deal where he makes 3.5 - 3.5 - 4 - 4.5 - 5; That would bring his AAV to (4.1). If you don't think he's worth that much money, you're just kidding yourself. History has indicated that he is worth that much.

edit: math was wrong - AAV would be 4.1.
- Gullzy

Tanev is better then hammer is at this point. If I'm comparing Tanev to any player, I'm saying boumeester.

And while I would prefer 4 mill. I'd give tanev5 before giving Mathias 3

God damn it! Stop giving away my future pool pickups!!
- Gullzy

While he's a great prospect. I am a little weary of him being of the Schultz/Gardiner mold. Hopefully its more like Mike Green

Theres no point going after any UFA's this summer unless like nucker said its to trade off for picks later, we got enough kids who will be pushing for a roster spot for next year and if they fail we get a higher pick for someone who can come somewhat close for replacing the sedins. (hopefully)

From vantels comments 10 pages ago id love to have sutter as the third line center, but if Horvat can keep up his pace and have a good summer of training it wouldnt suprise me Horvat on line 2, and bonino on 3

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Burr/Mathias-Horvat-Vrbata
Sven-Bonino-Hansen
Shink/Kenins/Virtanen-Mccann/Gaunce/Vey-Jensen

Trade burr or mathias whoever isnt on the line, that would be interesting team to watch to

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Burr/Mathias-Horvat-Vrbata
Sven-Bonino-Hansen
Shink/Kenins/Virtanen-Mccann/Gaunce/Vey-Jensen

Trade burr or mathias whoever isnt on the line, that would be interesting team to watch to
- phyllee

Just my opinion, but I think Benning will be active at the draft...we may see at least three guys (who aren't pending UFA's) leaving this summer via trade. Sven Bäertschi should make the club next year, kids good, just needed a change of scenery.

Just my opinion, but I think Benning will be active at the draft...we may see at least three guys (who aren't pending UFA's) leaving this summer via trade. Sven Bäertschi should make the club next year, kids good, just needed a change of scenery.
- LeftCoaster

Id agree, i left higgins out of that lineup, the defence i can see getting worked on the most though

Just my opinion, but I think Benning will be active at the draft...we may see at least three guys (who aren't pending UFA's) leaving this summer via trade. Sven Bäertschi should make the club next year, kids good, just needed a change of scenery.
- LeftCoaster

Yep. One vet d man and at least one vwt forward

Id agree, i left higgins out of that lineup, the defence i can see getting worked on the most though
- phyllee

After the Sedins (who are on their last legs) and Vrbata there's a serious LOFT as far as top six players go. I hope Horvat takes that next step next year. These are our top five point guys this year, needs to be addressed!!!

Henrik - 60 pts
Daniel - 58 pts
Vrbata - 48 pts

Bonino - 29 pts
Higgins - 29 pts

After the Sedins (who are on their last legs) and Vrbata there's a serious LOFT as far as top six players go. I hope Horvat takes that next step next year. These are our top five point guys this year, needs to be addressed!!!

Henrik - 60 pts
Daniel - 58 pts
Vrbata - 48 pts

Bonino - 29 pts
Higgins - 29 pts
- LeftCoaster

Exactly. I've suggested trying to move a couple guys for a granlund or schenn. But ultimately we need to take a step back to take 2 forward.

You can chalk a lot of that up to the system we play. When the puck is above the hashmarks, our defence collapse towards the goalie and flank him. It's like having 3 goalies basically. His real value lies in what happens when he activates from that position. His puck retrieval skills are above average, and he can move the puck away from the dangerous areas of the ice without hesitation. Only Hammer, and to an extent Edler, can do that on our current roster. Watch guys like Stanton, Bieksa, Clendenning and you notice that they hesitate before they make that play. To me that indicates that they take that extra millisecond to make the right play. In a game as fast as hockey, that's what makes the difference between a below average and above average defensive defender.

My bad if this is becoming to "analyzie" for you guys. I think Tanev is a top-3 guy right now. And I don't want to just say that without giving my reasons why.

The blocks are VERY important. That being said, his game is at its best when he's activating away from the areas on the ice that he accumulates them.
- Gullzy

Good analysis up above. I find Bieksa has that hesitation but the way he skates and handles the puck usually gives him 3 angles or more, he just over thinks which one to use and sometimes it gets ugly. I've noticed as you say that Edler is quick, but he usually doesn't take options that are there or create angles...very easy for opposition to read and then he'll throw the puck up the middle to try to make a pretty play and it's such stupid hockey at that level that it usually catches his own team off guard and out of position. Tanev and Hamhuis are great, they do the smart play, do it quickly and will eat the hit to get the puck out. Their styles are very similar but no real complaints overall. 95% happy with these guys(5% is cuz no ones perfect....well except Vantel of course )

After the Sedins (who are on their last legs) and Vrbata there's a serious LOFT as far as top six players go. I hope Horvat takes that next step next year. These are our top five point guys this year, needs to be addressed!!!

Henrik - 60 pts
Daniel - 58 pts
Vrbata - 48 pts

Bonino - 29 pts
Higgins - 29 pts
- LeftCoaster

I have trouble seeing Bonino as a second line centre. I think Bo will take over 2LC next year. I don't see Kassian stepping up and becoming a 40 + pt producer either. Benning should be very active this draft .

I have trouble seeing Bonino as a second line centre. I think Bo will take over 2LC next year. I don't see Kassian stepping up and becoming a 40 + pt producer either. Benning should be very active this draft .
- VANTEL

After last nights game Bo proved he is primed for the 2LC role next season. At 1.9 bonino has a great cap hit. 3LC could suit him well. He could also be a trade chip to get a top 6 winger like Sharp. I keep holding onto hope that Kassian turns out to be a 50+ guy but he's just not showing any consistency. Probably should sell at draft also. Van does need to recoup a few draft picks.

Good analysis up above. I find Bieksa has that hesitation but the way he skates and handles the puck usually gives him 3 angles or more, he just over thinks which one to use and sometimes it gets ugly. I've noticed as you say that Edler is quick, but he usually doesn't take options that are there or create angles...very easy for opposition to read and then he'll throw the puck up the middle to try to make a pretty play and it's such stupid hockey at that level that it usually catches his own team off guard and out of position. Tanev and Hamhuis are great, they do the smart play, do it quickly and will eat the hit to get the puck out. Their styles are very similar but no real complaints overall. 95% happy with these guys(5% is cuz no ones perfect....well except Vantel of course )
- I-own_da-Northwest

Our two most reliable Dmen Hamhuis and Tanev biggest claim to fame is they don't get caught out of position too often.

Our most offensive D man has 17 PTs this year and 22 last year.
We don't really have a guy to lay the big body check .
We don't really have a guy that will fight if someone runs the goalie.

The 95 % that are happy with this core, should really take another look.

Our two most reliable Dmen Hamhuis and Tanev biggest claim to fame is they don't get caught out of position too often.

Our most offensive D man has 17 PTs this year and 22 last year.
We don't really have a guy to lay the big body check .
We don't really have a guy that will fight if someone runs the goalie.

The 95 % that are happy with this core, should really take another look.
- VANTEL

Naw I'm happy with Tanev and Hamhuis 95% of the time. I'm only happy with maybe 50% of this total roster. There's a reason why we only pick and choose which games to play. Once this core is gone, hopefully that attitude goes with them.

Naw I'm happy with Tanev and Hamhuis 95% of the time. I'm only happy with maybe 50% of this total roster. There's a reason why we only pick and choose which games to play. Once this core is gone, hopefully that attitude goes with them.
- I-own_da-Northwest

I do agree with this.

Hamhuis and Tanev are very decent reliable Dmen. They don't bring the Extras , but the won't cost you the game either.

I do find it hard to put a price on that. I do believe Ken Hollands words that you don't pay big money for Dmen that don't score, and there is Tanev

After last nights game Bo proved he is primed for the 2LC role next season. At 1.9 bonino has a great cap hit. 3LC could suit him well. He could also be a trade chip to get a top 6 winger like Sharp. I keep holding onto hope that Kassian turns out to be a 50+ guy but he's just not showing any consistency. Probably should sell at draft also. Van does need to recoup a few draft picks.
- manvanfan

Not a fan of trading Bonino. His contract in phenomenal. As a 3C next year, he'd be perfect